Дорогие гости, перенос форума Marstersvers завершен. Мы рады приветствовать вас на новом ресурсе!)))). Вся первичная информация об этом форуме находится здесь
В этот топик я копирую всю информацию об отмене "Ангела" на шестой сезон и возможностей на продолжение, спойлеров постараюсь избегать, как могу Спасибо Васкес за идею )
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AlhenaG Member Posts: 12 (2/14/04 5:17) Reply | Edit | Del * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Этот сезон все-таки последний. Новости с Zap2it.
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Earlier today, an announcement was made to the cast and crew at The WB's "Angel" that this season, the show's fifth, would be its last. "It's official enough to know it's real," David Greenwalt, who co-created the series with Joss Whedon, tells Zap2it. "but I haven't talked to anybody at the network or the studio. I can tell you that it's real, that it makes Mr. Whedon and myself very sad, that we wish it had kept going and we thought it was only getting better.
"Joss and [executive producer] Jeff Bell told the cast and crew today. We have no understanding of the inner workings of the corporate world, but we've had a long and fruitful relationship with [producing studio] 20th Century Fox and The WB, for which we grateful. We just wish it could have gone on forever. Apparently, it's not going to.
"Joss literally called me this morning, so it's very new." This news comes on the heels of airing the 100th episode of the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off, the taping of which was marked by a party on the show's sets last November.
At that time, the WB's entertainment chief, Jordan Levin, said, "The work that you all do, I cannot thank you enough. This is something that will last. You can see it in the DVD sales. You see it in the fans. They give an incredible amount of attention to almost everything.
"You've created a cult here, and it's pretty wonderful to be a part of it. So thank you and congratulations."
Next week, on Wednesday, Feb. 18, "Angel" airs one of its most innovative episodes, called "Smile Time." Written and directed by Ben Edlund ("The Tick"), and based on an idea by Whedon, it sees the show's title character, a crusading vampire with a soul, forced to fight evil after being transformed into a walking puppet (with voice by series star David Boreanaz).
"It's so brilliant," Greenwalt says. "I just love it. It's one of the finest pieces of filmmaking I've ever seen. It just cracked me up. It's so ridiculous and silly, and yet there's all this heartfelt stuff in it. It's just quintessential Whedon.
"But wait until you see the episode that follows it in terms of abject heartbreak. It's just searing."
Greenwalt stepped away from "Angel" a few years ago but has remained a consulting producer. Since then, he's worked on two short-lived but critically acclaimed series, ABC's "Miracles" and UPN's "Jake 2.0." But he's contemplating a possible return to his old stomping ground.
"I might just go direct episode 20 [of 'Angel']," he says, "so I can say my farewell to everybody. That's something that might happen."
As of press time, The WB had made no official announcement.
AyurAFD Member Posts: 10 (2/14/04 8:23) Reply | Edit | Del Re: * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A statement from The WB:
For the last seven years Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer have been cornerstones of our network. The sum total of the work done on those shows has produced some of the proudest moments in our history. Like some of the great series that are leaving the air this year, including Frasier and Friends, the cast, crew, writers and producers of Angel deserve to be able to wrap up the series in a way befitting a classic television series and that is why we went to Joss to let him know that this would be the last year of the series on The WB. We have discussed continuing the Angel legacy with special movie events next year, which is still on the table. In a perfect world, all of these details would be completed before this information went to the press so that we could be definitive about the show’s ongoing future. But in any case, we did not want to contemplate this being the last year of Angel without giving the show the option of crafting their own destiny for this character and for this series. David Boreanaz continues to be one of the finest, classiest and friendliest actors we have had the pleasure to work with and we hope that the relationship furthers from here. The same can be said for all the actors and producers on the show.
Elena S Member Posts: 125 (2/14/04 12:09) Reply | Edit | Del ezSupporter Кампании уже начались -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Я знаю об одной - на своих любимых спарклях, но думаю, что каждое уважающее себя заведение начнёт такую кампанию.
Geroneja Moderator Posts: 690 (2/14/04 21:57) Reply | Edit | Del Re: Кампании уже начались -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ну вот, праздник называется.. А, может, спин-офф? Мдя-м.. Эх, теперь точно придется уговаривать СМГ, если дальше таки ничего не будет....
Smth Blue Member Posts: 135 (2/14/04 22:23) Reply | Edit | Del Re: Кампании уже начались -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Блин, если б знала, что так испортится настроение в праздник, в жизни б не полезла в инет на пять минут...
VasquezE Member Posts: 422 (2/15/04 0:59) Reply | Edit | Del Re: Кампании уже начались -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Еще один линк на петицию
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?ai5d0162&1 Два любопытных момента. Во-первых, объявили о-о-очень заранее. В прошлом году официальное объявление сделали 12 мая. Второе - объявили вечером в пятницу, "под выходные". Типа "к понедельнику набежит много других новостей - авось забудут".
Теоретически-то понятно. Даже если рейтинги в этом сезоне выше, стоимость сериала в следующем сезоне будет больше. Потому что сроки контрактов истекают после пяти лет, актерские агенты начинают торговаться и т.д. И это ясно уже сейчас.
А практически... хочу услышать официальный комментарий Ведона. Интересно, что он скажет. Потому что все эти недавние фанфары ("Ангел - самый сексуальный герой на ТВ!" - на обложке TV Guide, который принадлежит той же корпорации, что и The WB) - в свете последних новостей выглядят несколько странно.
Первый отзыв Ведона - пока неофициальный, на Bronze Beta joss says: (Sat Feb 14 22:31:16 2004)
Some of you may have heard the hilarious news. I thought this would be a good time to weigh in. to answer some obvious questions: No, we had no idea this was coming. Yes, we will finish out the season. No, I don't think the WB is doing the right thing. Yes, I'm grateful they did it early enough for my people to find other jobs.
Yes, my heart is breaking.
When Buffy ended, I was tapped out and ready to send it off. When Firefly got the axe, I went into a state of denial so huge it may very well cause a movie. But Angel... we really were starting to feel like we were on top, hitting our stride -- and then we strode right into the Pit of Snakes 'n' Lava. I'm so into these characters, these actors, the situations we're building... you wanna know how I feel? Watch the first act of "The Body."
As far as TV movies or whatever, I'm not thinking that far ahead. I actually hope my actors and writers are all too busy. We always planned this season finale to be a great capper to the season and the show in general. (And a great platform for a new season, of course.) We'll proceed ahead as planned.
I've never made mainstream TV very well. I like surprises, and TV isn't about surprises, unless the surprise is who gets voted off of something. I've been lucky to sneak this strange, strange show over the airwaves for as long as I have. I don't FEEL lucky, but I understand that I am.
Thanks all for your support, your community, and your perfectly sane devotion. It's meant a lot. I regret nothing (except the string of grisley murders in the 80's -- what was THAT all about?) Remember the words of the poet:
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn."
See you soon. See you soon.
И довольно взвешенные комментарии со Spoiler Slayer
Tensai at Spoiler Slayer posted his thoughts and speculation on the news.Thought I would bring it over.
www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002777.php
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATS: Musings On The End
As expected, I am getting a inundated with emails about the announcement that Season Five will apparently be the final season of 'Angel'. It would probably be best to try to answer most of these here, rather than respond to each and every email. Did you hear the news/see this article, etc? Is it true? Unfortunately, yes it's all true. The WB has released an Official Press Release explaining their reasons for announcing their decision at this time. It also is an early announcement, as they do mention that they are still negotiating for 'Angel' specials. As articles/news is released, I will try to get the various articles posted in the News section, so please send links if you feel that I'm missing any.
Why did this happen, it doesn't make sense? Actually, looking back at the stories from earlier this season, it does make some sense. Since before 'Buffy' even ended, I had been hearing rumors that the budget was a big sticking point in negotiations. Add to this the reports that the show was doing a lot of 'in-house' shooting early in the season due to a tight budget, and the very intriguing comments after the season started about finally getting the go ahead for a full season. It's my hunch, that the WB was originally aiming for the show to reach Episode 100, then based on the decent ratings okayed a full season.
However, with several new (and pricey) series on The WB's horizon for next season, it's my guess that the cost of paying for another season, just doesn't make sense for the ratings they were getting. It's doing well in it's time slot, but at five years in (and with the addition of James to the cast), it's unlikely that they would improve any further.
What about another network, like UPN or Sci Fi? The same reason the WB decided against Season Six, is likely going to keep another network from picking it up. SciFi is definitely out of the question in my opinion, as they're going to be shelling out the big bucks for both 'Battlestar Galactica' and a new 'Stargate' series. 'Battlestar' gave the network it's highest ratings ever, but they still took a few months to decide if it would be worth making it into a regular series. UPN is dealing with the fiasco that is 'Enterprise' and I think it would be iffy at best that they would want to invest in 'Angel', again because at this point the ratings likely aren't going to jump dramatically at this point.
How can we save the show? Can you post links to my petition/postcard campaign? I'm going to be honest, I don't feel that anything the fans can do will save the show. Unless we managed to scrape up 10 million viewers, it's probably not going to happen. The WB knows that they have a core/niche audience of a few million, and yet they still determined that the show cannot continue. A couple hundred thousand signatures or postcards will probably not have any effect.
However, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't let your feelings be known. Send postcards and sign petitions, tell The WB how you feel. Even more importantly, let Fox know how you feel. As for the site, I've always taken the stance that in order to remain neutral, I don't want to single out any particular campaign or petition. So while I will not actively post any links or write-in info, there is a huge amount of information in the Daily Rounds linkage. Please visit these sites for information on how you can participate.
We should boycott The WB or it's Sponsors. I've gotten more than a few emails suggesting this tactic, and I have to be honest and say 'Absolutely not'. I am extremely grateful for the five full seasons of both 'Buffy' and 'Angel' that the WB gave to us, not to mention the other shows that I happen to watch and enjoy on their network. I hold no ill-will towards either the WB or the Sponsors who support the show. Broadcast television is a mess right now, with cookie cutter series being produced everywhere. If you aren't a 30 minute sitcom, a reality show, or a police/medical/law drama, you don't have a fighting chance. I give a lot of credit to networks like The WB which take chances on series like 'Buffy' or 'Angel', as well as shows like 'Smallville' or 'Gilmore Girls'. All I can say is Thank You for the wonderful five years you've given me, it's much appreciated. I also know that there are fans out there who would like to thank The WB as well, so please use the Daily Rounds linkage, as many of the petition/write-in campaign sites also have the addresses to where you can send your thanks.
How will this affect the final few episodes? This is perhaps the best question I've gotten, and I have to be honest, I really can't say for sure. At this time, my guess is that everything that hasn't been filmed, is subject to change. While I know that Joss always intended to wrap this season as if it was the series finale, we may see some additional faces from the past. With both Tim Minear and David Greenwalt expressing interest in Episode 20, it leads me to believe that 21 and 22 may have already been planned/written by Joss himself. I also think that this could bring an appearance by Sarah Michelle Gellar back into play, despite the reports to the contrary. I also would not rule out seeing Alyson or some of the others finding a way to make it into the series finale.
So with 'Angel' ending, is this it for the Spoiler Slayer? This is a tough one, because obviously the site itself isn't solely devoted to 'Angel'. But I'd also be lying if I were to say that after 'Buffy' ended, I've haven't been doing some of my own cost/benefit ratio analysis. The site is not an inexpensive one to run by a longshot, which doesn't even take into account the personal time I devote to the site. Although I've promised that even if all the Joss shows were to go off the air, the site would still stay around and spoiling for other series, this decision by The WB does have me thinking about the future. If 'Tru Calling' were not to make it to season two (and to be honest, 'Angel' has a better chance of being renewed.), 'Wonderfalls' doesn't get picked up (which would make me angrier than 'Angel' ending), and 'Dead Like Me' doesn't get signed for Season Three, it would be a very tough call.
However, 'Dead Like Me' seems to be going strong, and 'Wonderfalls' should have a decent chance. Also, as mentioned before, I will more than likely will be following spoilers for the new 'Doctor Who' series. Obviously, if any Buffyverse spin-off or mini-series were to be announced, I'd be right there in the thick of things. I also want to express my thanks for everyone who has written in during the past day, expressing their appreciation for the Spoiler Slayer site. I don't think there's any reason to think that the Spoiler Slayer will be going away anytime in the near future. Especially if you consider the last question I've gotten...
Do you think there will be a spin-off next season? As sad as it is to see the end of 'Angel' approaching, I can't imagine that Joss and Mutant Enemy will not be doing anything in the near future. It's rare that a production company can create memorable series that manage to achieve not only a devoted fan following when it's on the air, but turn around and generate very strong DVD sales as well. One only need to look at the success of 'Firefly' on DVD, to show that even a project that ended earlier than it should have, can still be profitable to the studio and production company. Not to mention the critical acclaim Joss and the company has received.
Is this the end of the Buffyverse, I highly doubt it. Especially since The WB is already expressing interest in 'Angel' movies or events next year. The strong fan response to the announcement is only going to prove that the Buffyverse is still very viable in terms of being able to pull in a strong, core audience. Maybe it's simply time for something new and different. While we might not see anything for next season in terms of a new series, I think it's almost certain that we won't be Whedon-less for very long.
On a final note, this is all still in the early stages of the announcement. I'm certain that over the next few weeks, we're going to see a lot of interviews and comments about this news. As I've mentioned earlier, I will try to keep up with the numerous stories as they come in. In addition, although the site doesn't have the capability of allowing you to directly comment to other fans of the site about the news, I am opening up a post on my personal page for those who would like to express their feelings about the show ending. Please feel free to comment about the news there.
----------- "Killing people is my job!" (c) Joss Whedon
Рассуждения Стренджер и Елены я не переношу, т.к. там, кажется, спойлеры проскальзывали, ежели вы хотите ознакомиться,то прошу сюда!
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Новости: Сборы подписей под петициями продолжаются. Самые забавные
13208. Bill Gates As a world renowned Billionaire I insist that you leave Angel on air or I will buy you out and shut you down.......think about it!!!!!! USA, Seattle.
13239. God (The Almighty Creator) As the creator of heaven and earth I will smite you without a second thought if you DARE take Angel (one of my own) off air.... The Omniverse
13313. Tony Blair PM I am the Primeminister of England. I love Angel. Take it off air and Great Britain will declare war on the USA. Come on then..do you want some???? Londonengland (well thats what you yanks call us...)
Что пишут фаны на форумах - лучше не пересказывать. Характерный пример (не смогла удержаться - представила себе эту картинку):
Sock Monkey Crawl up my ass and die, WB, and bring a spoon with you so that you can eat my @#%$ while you're up there.
Из более взвешенных соображений любопытные вещи говорит небезызвестный следователь лондонской страховой компании
denmaroca Vampire
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So who do you think will be in the spin off? (I'm an optimist.)
Woke up this morning and checked my email to find Narelle's announcing AtS' cancellation. Bit of a surprise (I'm English). But not a shock. Following all the shenanigans over the renewal last year, I was convinced then, and still am, that AtS was renewed as part of a deal between Fox and the WB. The question is was the deal simply to get AtS to the magic 100 (syndication et al) with the WB being offered s5 so cheaply that they couldn't lose, or do the WB want something from Fox and a new season of AtS was part of the price?
My first thought was that Fox will produce a spin off (AtS s5 being used to keep the Buffyverse fandom involved while the spin off is properly researched and developed) and that spin off will be on the WB. Spin offs have advantages. They usually have higher audiences initially, and they're often cheaper to produce (as they can bring in new, hungrier actors). And they're more likely to succeed than a completely new show. AtS s5 has shown that you can rejig a show, change its tone and send it in a new direction, with positive results on ratings and critical praise. So presumably you can do the same for a franchise.
Fox has merchandise to consider. It's where the big money is. And for that you need a shop window. Syndication helps, but it doesn't get the press attention. The press need news, every day. Those on the boards, or more importantly groups of friends, need something to discuss. Nothing is better for that than a new series. And obviously the WB need something (at the right price) to fill those hours.
And an advantage of a spin off within a franchise is that it doesn't have to reach 100 episodes to be profitable. It will be syndicated no matter how long it lasts. It will be sold abroad. The DVDs will be sold. There will be merchandise. Hell, Firely will eventually be profitable - if it's not already - and that's not even in the Buffyverse (although it is in the Joss-as-creative-genius-verse). In this context, a new series doesn't have to be developed for US television. We may very well see the Ripper spin off, and the deal may simply be that the WB gets to show it in the States. Perhaps an Australian channel might want to make a series within the boundaries of the Buffyverse?
If there is to be a spin off you would probably like one major character to follow on, to provide continuity. A character with a big fan base. One with lots of room to develop, who can convincingly play a range of emotions, who have sufficient grey to be dramatic etc. There are only four regular characters in the Buffyverse who, in my opinion, can fill this role. Those are Angel, Buffy, Giles and Spike (note the alphabetical order). The first two are out - that would simply be new seasons of AtS and BtVS. The Ripper scenario would be a BBC series. That leaves Spike.
Spike was originally mooted for the Faith spin off, which was a kind of on the road thing. A scenario with Spike could have him travelling the world training and helping the new slayers (The Slayer of Slayers trains The Next Generation!) An advantage of a vampire is that they're either in buildings or its dark - so you can convincingly film anywhere in the world in Los Angeles (or Vancouver). Throw in a few misfit new, or popular old (Harmony, Andrew, add your own), supporting characters and you've got your series.
My second thought had arisen this year from the rise and rise of the DVD. Increasingly important in profits. People like new things on their DVDs. Firefly had four new episodes (at least for people in the US). Normally you have to show the material in the movies or on TV before the you sell the DVD in order to develop the interest. But what if you have the interest already? Why not sell it on DVD first? Would you buy the DVD that showed Spike telling Buffy he was alive? Or one showing what was said between Angel and Buffy when they met after she came back from the dead? Or the new never-seen-on-TV Ripper series? Or Tales of Anyanka? Or Wesley's Quest to Save Lilah?
They could always show what's on the DVD on TV later (are these the WB TV movies?). This would basically be a more private version of what happens with movies. But an advantage of DVD is that it's a TV medium - it lends itself to private moments, whereas movies are for spectacle. And private moments are cheaper to film (my first two examples are basically two people in a room). There must be lots of great ideas for one off stories in the Buffyverse that didn't fit the series format. Or stuff developing what was already shown - more of Willow and Tara's romance for instance.
Something similar was tried in the UK by the makers of Coronation Street (one of the UK's top soaps). They sold videos showing one-off stories that hadn't aired (two characters' honeymoon trials and tribulations were one, I seem to recall). Only moderately successful, but I think that was because the format was limited (low quality compared with broadcast TV, not much material on a tape etc); the events shown were intrinsically uninteresting (if it was a great story it would have been on the soap), and because that's not why people watch soaps, which is basically to see what happens next. I think DVDs of untold stories of a drama series might work.
Either way, I doubt we've seen the last of the Buffyverse. I would bet that there's something, somewhere, in some format next year. Not complete consolation for losing AtS, but a glimmer in the gloom perhaps.
My wild speculations for the end of the series (I'm feeling sappy):
I don't think there'll be a bloodbath whether Joss wants it or not. Fox will not permit it. I'm convinced it was Fox who prevented any deaths in Chosen other than Anya (where Emma said she wouldn't reprise the role) and Spike (where we knew he was coming back anyway). Bad for potential future developments.
Darla will shanshu, but Angel (and Spike) will find out that the prophecy does not necessarily describe a single event. This shanshu will tie into the Illyria storyline, which will be the apocalypse the shanshu vampire can either prevent or bring about.
Angel will kill Sahjhan - he will do so in ep 18, and it's his ability to do so that will send him searching after Darla.
Spike and Angel will be there for one another at the finish. Near the end Spike will ask Angel what do we do now, and Angel will say that he wants Spike to go. Spike will be hurt, until Angel says that he wants him to go and find Buffy. To find out if there is hope for a future rather than let fear of their not being lead him to spending the rest of his days regretting what might have been.
Connor will recover his real past, but not lose the alternate one. That will be enough to save him from the despair and insanity. There'll be something sappy between the two sets of parents - a 'we can be proud of our son' kind of thingy.
Lindsay & Eve will take over Wolfram & Hart, which will have been seperated from the Senior Partners - so that they can turn it into your normally evil law firm. Gunn will lose his law knowledge, but will put himself through law school - it'll be pointed out that he may have got the knowledge mystically, but the skill with which he used it was all his. (W&H will pay - the evilly obtained wealth will be used for law scholarships.)
Wes will sacrifice himself to save Fred. He couldn't save Lilah, but he'll do whatever is necessary to prevent it happening again.
One other thought: ME won't survive. Joss will either do something else genre related (but probably more SciFi than fantasy, whether or not its Firefly) OR he will finally produce the Ripper series for the Beeb - he doesn't need ME itself for that. (Очевидно, Beeb - это Би-би-си?)
Мне трудно добавить что-либо к соображениям насчет выпуска "Ангела" сразу на DVD - я просто не представляю себе, как это может выглядеть. Но у меня есть кое-какие мысли насчет очень странных сроков объявления о завершении сериала. Думаю, никто не будет спорить, что сроки очень странные? Еще вчера шли победные отчеты о том, как все замечательно, ДБ красовался на обложке, на юбилейной вечеринке все братались...
У меня такое чувство, что на самой вечеринке все и решилось. Возможно, во мне сидит человек, привыкший с брежневских времен читать между строк, но меня сильно зацепило то, что ДБ очень недвусмысленно дал понять, что не будет сильно переживать, если шоу прикроют. Такое впечатление, что перед этим интервью его кто-то отозвал в сторонку и предупредил, что насчет шестого сезона лучше не обольщаться. Или же спросили: "По дешевке работать будешь? Нет? Тогда - до свидания."
Если это так, то не исключено, что Ведон узнал об этом задним числом, и, естественно, был страшно уязвлен, что начальство предпочло принять решение на основании разговора с актером, а не с создателем шоу. По крайней мере, его выступление на Bronze Beta кажется мне совершенно искренним.
Впрочем, не исключено, что ДБ никто не в какую известность не ставил, и он просто не слишком сильно стремится остаться на шестой сезон. Начальство подсчитало, что заманить его на следующий год можно только большими деньгами, а больших денег платить никто не захотел - и в результате шоу прикрывают.
И все же - почему так быстро и так рано объявили? Я по-прежнему ищу объяснения на вечеринке, потому что объявили сразу же после нее, в ту же секунду, как это стало "прилично". В прошлую пятницу - нельзя, была неделя показа 100 серии, следовательно объявили в эту пятницу. Почему в пятницу - уже говорилось: чтобы меньше шума было.
Версии:
1. Желание дать сценаристам пространство для маневра. То есть: во время вечеринки Ведон поведал начальству, чем собирается закончить сезон. Начальство схватилось за голову и решило немедленно объявить, что этот сезон последний, чтобы их потом никто не обвинил в том, что шоу закончилось на клиффхэнгере или на смерти героев. Это, впрочем, не значит, что Ведон не закончит "Ангела" всеобщей или почти всеобщей смертью. Я не согласна с denmaroca, что Ведон не сможет "устроить кровавую баню" - как раз, наоборот: если уж все заканчивается, он очень даже может снять свою "высокую трагедию", которую ему не дали снять в 5 сезоне "Баффи" по причине продолжения сериала. А что касается спиноффов - Ведон у нас большой специалист по воскрешениям (и на малом, и на большом экране).
2. Желание иметь побольше времени на раскрутку спиноффа. То есть: во время вечеринки ДБ поведал начальству, что не горит желанием сниматься в следующем сезоне, и, см. выше - про бабки. Начальство решило, что дешевле будет запустить спинофф, и для этого нужно заранее определиться что и как. Я прекрасно понимаю, что вторая версия - типичный продукт денайла, но хочется верить во что-то хорошее...
Другие версии будут?
И самые свежие новости. Некто на форуме The WB считает, что у "Ангела" все-таки есть шанс
talk.thewb.com/viewtopic....=4&start=0
SteelDogDG Super Star
Joined: Dec 10, 2002 Posts: 1191 From: CA Posted: 02-15 12:02:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey all. I apologize for not posting sooner but as you can imagine things are a little in chaos right now.
First off let me state that the WB gave no impressions to ME that the show wasn't doing well or was pending cancellation.
All the indications that ME were given were just the opposite. Joss & company had always known being cancelled was a possibility. However, given the feedback and ratings of the show the staff is a little surprised.
All appearances are this was a decision based on the cost of the show. Angel went through some cost cutting last year. However, it remains one of the most expensive shows on the network.
The WB didn't feel that the cost to return ratio of the show was worth the investment. The ratings have improved but this is the old chicken in the egg. Did the shows ratings improve because the show is better or because it is after Smallville?
Now on to the bigger news. ME will talk to another network about extending the show. This does not guarantee the show will be picked up. However, this does show that ME wants to the show to continue.
For those hoping that UPN would be a lock to pick it up, it is not that simple. About a year ago I would say UPN was primed to pick up the show had it not been renewed. However, as most of you know UPN is having its own problems right now. The ratings for its shows are horrible this season and taking on a show everybody knows is headed out the door is a risky proposition.
Joss has the Firefly project coming up soon and if he doesn't get a serious taker amungst the other networks things don't look good. This is going to come down to timing. The longer it takes, the worse it looks. Unless Joss does a 180 the show will be shopped. Hope is at least there.
На вопросы, кто он такой и откуда знает, товарищ ответил SteelDogDG Super Star
Joined: Dec 10, 2002 Posts: 1191 From: CA Posted: 02-15 12:14:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey guys. Sending a petition to Fox could help. Let Mutent Enemy know you still support the show will help too. However, don't bother with the WB. There is ZERO chance of the WB changing their stance from what I am hearing.
As for those that don't know me, I have a friend that works for the Powers That Be so to speak. I am just passing on what that person is telling me. I have been doing that for long time now and most of the people here can verify that I have been pretty accurate to date.
However, unfortunately nothing is a certain in this business and that doesn't mean the show ultimately will get picked up by another network. All we can do it write and hope.
Другие постеры подтверждают, что мол, до сих пор Стальной Пес не врал. Подождем развития событий...
Geroneja Moderator Posts: 697 (2/16/04 3:09) Reply | Edit | Del Re: *** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Васкес, спасибо за подборку )
Кстати, не только на форуме WB так думают, еще вчера на ВВВ проскакивала мысль, например, что Уорнеры просто проверяют реакцию фанов и если их устроит то, что они увидят, то они могут и передумать, но если это действительно так и они не сказали Джоссу (а я тоже думаю, что он был абсолютно искренним на Бронз Бэта вчера), то я бы на его месте плюнула бы на них и ушла, так же ж можно психом стать! С другой стороны я еще вчера говорила *вон, свидетели есть*, что это может быть из-за ДБ и денег... С третьей стороны, у Марстерса контракт на два годы, о чем мы знали еще летом, соответственно если будет спин-офф и на WB, то это только спин-офф со Спайком, но вот будет ли он.. А убить всех... Хм, если будет спин-офф, то все идеи Джосса на шестой сезон, о которых он говорил, трансформируются и переползут туда, а если нет, то я тоже не исключаю такую возможность.. мдя-м, но будет надеяться
AlhenaG Member Posts: 13 (2/17/04 0:45) Reply | Edit | Del Re: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Интервью с J. August Richards, все по тому же поводу.
After the news came down From the WB and Joss himself, I sat down with J and asked him what he thought about the news and managed to squeeze in some fan questions as well. It was a shock for all of us and I couldn’t imagine what he thought so he gave us the exclusive interview below.
Rana: J, we just received the news, is it true about the cancellation of “Angel”?
J: Yes it is true. Joss came to the set and told us all at the same time. We found out Friday, the 13th, that afternoon.
Rana: How do you feel about the decision?
J: Well, First, I am gonna miss coming to work with the people, whom I grown close to over the years, and I work with everyday. I am going to miss my character whom I have grown to love and thirdly and im going to miss the world wide Angel fans and family that has supported us.
Rana: Is there a chance for future projects with the show? Or maybe being picked up by another network?
J: There is already boost talk about doing Angel tv movies in the future but that’s way in the future.
Rana: J, we have watched your character change from a street guy with muscle to the one everyone looks for to handle a situation when Angel is not around and now as a lawyer, everyone still looks to you. You are a key part of the show. How do you feel about your characters transformation since the start?
J: I am always very excited when my character is going to be making changes and there are still more big changes going to be made. Artistically and creatively I feel this season my character is in the zone and this season you will see my character go to place he has never been to before.
Rana: Is there anything you would like to say to your fans regarding the cancellation of the show?
J: Yes, thank you for supporting us, specifically me for the four years I have been on the show. I feel so grateful for that and having met so many of my fans around the world has truly been an amazing experience. Thanks for everything and I don’t want to sound final because I don’t feel this is final. The show is not airing next season but I don’t feel its over.
Rana: Do you have plans for the future? Or have you even had a chance to think about it yet?
J: I have a lot of plans and projects I am working on but the news is so new that I don’t have any immediate plans for anything.
Rana: Did you know since the news came out, that over 12,000 fans have signed a petition for the show to remain on the air?
J: No I didn't, that’s awesome.
Rana: J, we appreciate the exclusive interview about the shows cancellation but I would like to move on to the questions that have your fans on edge.
J: oh cool.
Rana: So, I have to ask, which one of your cast members came to your party dressed like a hooker?
J: ..smiles.. Amy did. The theme of my birthday party was “Pimps and Hoes” and everyone who was there came dressed as a pimp or a hoe and one of my crew members came as a hoe. It was funny because he is very macho and his name Stan Kernf. He was dressed up like a male prostitute you see on Santa Monica Blvd.
Rana: That sounds like fun. Ok, so now tell me, why do you find yourself between Alexis and James everyday?
J: laughs...my trailer is situated between them..
Rana: very cute.. Now knowing you and your character, I have to ask, when was it you refused to do a scene?
J: I refused to do a scene where Amy and I walk into a bathroom that is infested by rats. I was supposed to be submerged in rats in a bathtub. Needless to say I refused. I told the producer this is not fear factor.
Rana: shiver.. I wouldn’t blame you there. I don’t have anything against them but I wouldn’t have done it either.
Rana: Now tell me, what was the question all four of you guys refused to answer for Ryan Seacrest?
J: {smiles} Which of us was most likely to ditch on the Bill at a restaurant. When actually none of us would ditch, we would all fight to pay for it.
Rana: J, do you find it hard for fans to distinguish you and your character apart when you are away from the set?
J: No. I am very different from my character on the show. My character is ten times more serious than I am. I am always smiling and having a great time while my character is very serious. When people see me they ask why I don’t smile on the show and I tell them I am in character.
Rana: now that your show focus’s more of you and the cast being inside Wolfram and Hart, has it changed your work hours?
J: Yes, we don’t do graveyard shifts as much as we used to, which sucks for me because I cant function in the morning.
Rana: J, all the fans want to know who you spend most of your time with on and off the set, if anyone?
J: We all hang out together, so its evenly distributed among everyone.
Rana: How was it working with Charisma on the 100th Ep.? Since she’s been gone a while?
J: it was fantastic, just like old time. It felt like she never left.
Rana: Would you work with any of your cast members in another show?
J: In a heartbeat!
Rana: J, thank you so much for taking your time to talk to me and give me the exclusive Interview regarding the cancellation of your show and answering some of the fans questions. It has been a pleasure to interview you. I am sad the show is ending but with your personality and talent, I would say finding work won’t be hard for you at all.
J: Thank you Rana, It was a pleasure and I look forward to our next interview. You take Care and thank you and everyone for your support.
VasquezE Member Posts: 424 (2/17/04 18:52) Reply | Edit | Del Re: "именно без Джосса не было бы ни Марстерса, ни Боре -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Прошу прощения за вчерашнее отсутствие на форуме. С раннего утра до полуночи просидела в Останкино, переводила материалы с Берлинского кинофестиваля для передачи "Интересное кино", ввалилась домой в час ночи без сил и упала в койку. Но зато сегодня наверстываю...
Сначала - немного смешного Новое название The WB на форумах - The Wanker Bastards
Robert Bianco Chat Transcript - Monday, February 16, 2004
So what happened? WB will put the blame on so-so ratings and rising costs - neither of which would probably be a problem if the show were produced by Warner Brothers instead of by Fox. Here you have another example of the dangers of cross-media ownership, not that Congress has any intention of doing anything about it. I love the show, and think it's having a strong season. (I do miss Carpenter, but her exit was apparently unavoidable, as was WB's demand that the show drop the big story arcs.) And I'd be more willing to let it go if WB had shown any ability over the last few years to come up with something that would do better or be half as good. But here's what really has me worried: the creativity drain that seems to have struck network television. Look at some of the great writers who have left network TV over the last three years: Marshall Herskovitz and Ed Zwick, David Milch, Aaron Sorkin, and now, apparently, Joss Whedon. The networks should be begging these people to stay, and instead they seem to be actively pushing them out.
Елена, извини, что я вторгаюсь в твой спор со Стренджер, но мне кажется, что, говоря о фиках, она как раз и имела в виду вдохновение. Не знаю, как Дженни, а я до прошлого года фиков лет десять не писала - не было о чем, не видела героев, которых хотелось бы приручить, не было вселенных, в которые хотелось бы переселиться. И, похоже, больше не будет...
Geroneja Moderator Posts: 709 (2/17/04 22:4 Reply | Edit | Del Re: "я до прошлого года фиков лет десять не писала" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Джордан Левин высказался
----------- "Killing people is my job!" (c) Joss Whedon
VasquezE Member Posts: 426 (2/18/04 1:43) Reply | Edit | Del Re: Ой, за разговором забыла сказать Васкез - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************* Новости от SteelDog
Ok guys. I have an update and I am afraid I jumped the gun a bit. My friend read the thread and asked me to clarify some information.
First off it is not official that the show is being shopped around. Unfortunately just like any other company, when something like this happens, employee gosip runs rampid and so does speculation during such a stressful time. ME is no different.
The person I know is not a person who makes the decisions and the information I was given was based on employee conjecture. It was also based on previous information that was passed on to the employees had Angel been cancelled last season by the WB.
So I think the assumption was that whatever direction ME would have taken last season to keep Angel alive would apply to this situation as well. Again I took this as if this was actually going to happen versus it may happen.
It was my fault I jumped the gun and I throw myself under the bus. You guys know I don't post anything that isn't reliable and I think my track record speaks for itself. However, I just thought I would own up to jumping the gun a bit cause I have a little egg on my face right now. My friend didn't want to give anybody false hope and neither do I. For that I apologize.
The good news is that some employees still are hoping that this is the direction that Joss decides to go. Many of the employees want to fight to keep the show alive. So I hope that ME does shop the show around. It deserves to go on based on it's success alone this season.
I know this is a sensative subject for fans and everybody wants the best. If I am able to post any more information regarding this situation....I promise to dot my I's and cross my T's before I post anything else on this topic (and get approval before posting ).
Thanks guys and keep up the fight!
А это статья из вчерашней Variety Кое-где я не удержалась от комментариев. Где-то - чтобы объяснить, в чем дело (товарищи пишут на своем профессиональном сленге), где-то - чтобы выпустить наружу пар.
This "Angel" has gone to heaven.
The WB has opted not to renew the Joss Whedon-produced drama "Angel" for a sixth season. Frog topper (в смысле - босс The WB) Jordan Levin informed Whedon of the decision to cancel the skein (шоу) Thursday night.
Move on the surface is a head-scratcher. Twentieth Century Fox TV-produced skein is the net's second highest-rated hour among viewers 18-34 (behind lead-in "Smallville") and fourth among auds 12-34. Its numbers have been solid this year, even against brutal competish on Wednesday night and in a year in which the WB is experiencing double-digit Nielsen declines.
But Frog execs are also facing the reality of an aging sked, with skeins such as "Charmed," "7th Heaven" and "Gilmore Girls" potentially facing final seasons next year.
У них установка на молодежную аудиторию, и "взрослые" шоу не вписываются в их имидж и маркетинговую политику.
Levin also said the rapidly changing economics of network television played a big role in the decision to end "Angel." Skein doesn't repeat well (естественно - потому что все фанаты записывают серии на видео, зачем им пересматривать в прямом эфире?), and Levin anticipates having to double run one or more dramas in primetime next season --- as well as add more reality programs to the Frog's mix.
Реалити-шоу гораздо дешевле, но как написала одна девушка со Спарклей, "если я захочу посмотреть реалити-шоу, куплю попкорна и сяду перед окном".
"We have a lot of veteran shows that are aging, and we're going to have to make room for new programs," Levin said. "I know this will make lots of fans unhappy. But we have to have more at-bats, and we need to create timeslots where we can repeat shows (the same week episodes premiere.)"
Что такое at-bats - не знаю. Кто-нибудь в курсе?
"This isn't about the WB bailing out on one of its top shows," Levin added. "The show had a loyal core following, but it didn't have a tremendous amount of new audience upside."
All parties involved said the cost of the show itself was not the central factor in the decision to cancel "Angel."
См. в моем предыдущем посте мнение аналитика - он пишет прямо противоположное. И Variety дальше тоже пишет
The WB made waves three years ago when it decided to part ways with Whedon's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" after a squabble with 20th over its license fee.
Вот это, кстати, может стать первым препятствием на пути перехода на другой канал. Fox может потребовать большие деньги за лицензию или предложить "собственное производство" с сохранением лицензии на DVD и сопутствующие товары. Это будет очень невыгодно для сети, которая по сути купит сериал только для одноразового показа.
Дальше слова Ведона. Очень резкие. Одно дело - высказаться на фанатском форуме, другое - в главной газете шоу-бизнеса.
Whedon said that while he understands the business part of the decision, he's nonetheless "heartbroken."
"I thought that if a show was really good and doing really well (in the ratings), it was renewed," scribe said. "I was apparently misinformed."
Whatever the intricacies of the Frog's business model, Whedon said the decision to axe "Angel" doesn't seem logical.
"I do understand the business of it," he said. "But to me, when they're scrambling to hold on to their audience, their revenue, their dignity, it doesn't seem the best decision. And it's certainly not the classiest."
"If there's no place for quality in the equation, I don't know why we're here," Whedon added.
Комментарий Fox (держателей лицензии)
Dana Walden, prexy of 20th, said she understands the WB's point of view, even if she's disappointed by the net's decision.
"I can see their perspective. Jordan has been very honest about the decision-making process," Walden said. "(But) when a show works on your air, you have to find ways to keep it there. Shame on all of us for not finding a way.... There are a lot of disappointed fans."
Похоже, The WB предложил им либо снизить цену лицензии, либо поделиться, но товарищи не договорились...
Levin said he and Whedon started talking about the show's future a few weeks ago, right around the time of the show's 100th episode party. Conversations about the changing state of the TV business left open the possibility that "Angel" --- despite its creative and ratings strength --- might not be a slam-dunk to return.
"He said he wanted to protect his cast and crew, and asked if I could let them know sooner rather than later," Levin said. "These are usually decisions you wait until the last minute to make. But after 'Dawson's Creek,' I saw how important closure was for a cast, and given Joss' request, I owed him (an early decision.) It was a very bittersweet parting and an end of an era for us," Levin added. "I have the ultimate respect for Joss as someone who created two landmark series and stood behind them the whole time."
Да, похоже, они сильно поскандалили. Ведон даже отказался ставить финал. Это говорит о многом.
Because ratings and reviews have been solid for "Angel" this season, Whedon said his cast and crew were "stunned" when he broke the news to them Friday. "Nobody saw this coming," he said.
On the positive side, with casting season just heating up, the show's thesps will now have time to line up projects for next season.
Whedon said he and "Angel" exec producer-showrunner Jeff Bell have already mapped out the series finale, which Bell is slated to helm. Whedon continues to explore the possibility of a feature based on his short-lived Fox skein "Firefly."
As for "Angel," Whedon said he was glad the show passed the 100 episode milestone, and grateful to Walden and 20th prexy Gary Newman for their support during a two-year frame that saw the natural end of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Firefly" and now the end of "Angel."
While there's already talk of some "Angel" telepics, Whedon said it's too soon for him to imagine such a possibility.
"All we have left on 'Angel' is to end the season with episodes as strong and meaningful as we can muster," Whedon said. "But then, we were going to do that anyway."
Hi Harry - Youve still got the best movie site around! My Name's Ben, I attend the Digital Media Arts College here in Boca Raton, fl. Yesterday we were privy to a special forum of screenwriters. No one especially biggish - but Liz Craft, a TV writer for television's "Angel".
Craft hinted that the series mightn't be back next year - but didn't say anything.Of course it all makes sense now - some of the other ideas for the buffy universe that are being discussed. As the statement by warner says they are looking at doing a series of telemovies, at one time Craft said that joss whedon had plans for a "Buffy/Angel" film - not telemovie - but decided to wait until both series were off the air. It would be the one movie re-teaming both characters, angel and buffy. she fielded a few questions about it, but didn't know much. just said wait till both shows are off the air and then joss will probably get something going, a'la firefly. i thought that small bit might cheer up some of those angel fans. and also thought the news might be of some use to you.
Transcribed by *and with much thanks to* Totally David Boreanaz UK www.totallydavidboreanazuk.com/news.htm
16 February 2004
Anyone expecting any resolving of Angel's love-life will be disappointed. The series will probably be just as open-ended on that aspect.. Jeff Bell answered Fans' questions in Angel UK Mag #8.
From Alicia: It doesn't seem like loving Buffy has been a major factor for Angel on his own series. Do you see Angel as truly loving Buffy (The Buffy that is now as opposed to the girl of his memories)? Their transcendant love doesn't seem to have carried over to the newer show. What are your thoughts on this one?
My thoughts are that Angel is an adult. I think he and Buffy have come to a place, and you got a sense of this near the end of Buffy, where they were thinking, "We love each other, but the way things are now it ain't gonna work out. We're adults, so let's move ahead with our lives." One of the things that's interesting about my position is that we get lots of fan mail. Some of the fan mail says Spike and Buffy should be together. Some people think Angel and Buffy should be together forever. And we get fan mail from people who think Angel and Cordelia should be together forever. There are lots of different factions with lots of different beliefs, and what's kind of fun is that they're all right in some way. To land too hard on any one idea takes away some of the fun of it. I will say that for everyone who wants whatever pairing together I think they'd be ultimately be disappointed if we actually did it. Once you're together, what's there to pine for? And for people who want them apart, if there's some way to keep their love alive, there's something to keep those people interested and questioning. Не забудем, что Белл будет ставить финал.
ANGEL UPDATE: Don't expect a certain Slayer to pop up on the series finale of Angel in May. A source tells TV Guide Online that there are still no plans for Sarah Michelle Gellar to guest-star on the Buffy spin-off, despite the WB's announcement Friday that this would be the show's final season. It may be just as well, judging by all the anti-Buffy e-mails I've been receiving. "We don't need no stinkin' Buffy to have a quality send-off for Angel," writes Claudia. "He is so much more than Buffy!" Adds Megan: "How about no to a Buffy/Angel reunion? What agenda are you pushing, Michael?" Well, for starters, Megan, I'd like SoapNet to acquire Santa Barbara.
"It seemed like we hit our stride, so this is a big shock," Whedon told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "It's like a hale 49-year-old fellow just having a heart attack and dying like that."
The show maintains a small but loyal cult-fan base, but WB executives decided the numbers were not high enough to justify the program's cost.
There may be hope for resurrection. Although nothing is finalized yet, the WB has proposed a few "Angel" TV movies to tie up any loose ends in the story.
"It's my fervent hope that all my cast and my writers will be much too busy," Whedon said. "It's not that I'm not interested in the idea, I just want steady jobs for my people. But I definitely think there are more stories to tell."
A lot depends on whether Whedon and 20th Century Fox Television, which produces the show, will succeed in shopping a sixth season of "Angel" to another network, such as TNT, which carries reruns of the show, or UPN, which previously picked up "Buffy" after it left the WB.
Whedon also plans to ask "Buffy" star Sarah Michelle Gellar about a possible guest role on one of the final episodes. Her character's romance with Angel was one of the vampire's defining storylines.
"I'm sort of assuming she wouldn't want to," Whedon said. "But I intend to find out."
Whedon responded to the news with typical wry humor, releasing a mock statement celebrating the series' sixth season pickup ("It's really wonderful...Angel is hitting new strides in terms of creativity and appeal, and everyone is so full of energy...") before saying the cancellation "sucks."
"Angel is as strong as it's ever been, except for that's it's dead," said Whedon. "I'm heartbroken."
The network gave no reason for driving the final nail into Angel's coffin, but the series has been on the bubble since last year.
Despite a dedicated following, ratings for the show have failed to break the 4 million mark this season, as opposed to its first year when the show averaged 4.8 million viewers.
Whedon also refused to speculate. "I can't speak for the WB's reasoning, and this would probably be a bad time for me to comment on any of the shows they're NOT canceling," he said. "But they provided a home (albeit a temporary, foster home) for both Buffy and Angel that otherwise would not have existed, and I'm grateful for that."
The network said Whedon was told about the cancellation in time to wrap up the show's storylines for the May finale.
"Like some of the great series that are leaving the air this year, including Frasier and Friends, the cast, crew, writers and producers of Angel deserve to be able to wrap up the series in a way befitting a classic television series," the network said in a statement.
"We did not want to contemplate this being the last year of Angel without giving the show the option of crafting their own destiny for this character and this series."
According to the statement, there's also the possibility of Angel-related "special movie events" next year. Internet-based rumors about the potential special prompted the network to come clean about Angel's fate before arrangements were finalized.
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The WB has done what no vampire slayer could: It killed "Angel," the do-gooder bloodsucker with a soul.
"Angel" creator Joss Whedon may try to shop the show elsewhere.
There may be hope for resurrection. Although nothing is finalized yet, Whedon is talking with the network about possible "Angel" TV movies next year to tie up any loose ends in the story.
A lot depends on whether Whedon and 20th Century Fox Television, which produces the show, will succeed in shopping a sixth season of "Angel" to another network, such as TNT, which carries reruns of the show, or UPN, which previously picked up "Buffy" after it left the WB
И маленький прикол со Спарклей: M'Lu You know what we need? A frog-in-a-blender emoticon. (Напомню, что "лягушкой называют The WB)
Кстати, фаны начали делать сайт, посвященный спасению шоу. Пока есть только главная страница, но обещают, что скоро появится много чего интересного.
VasquezE Member Posts: 428 (2/18/04 14:2 Reply | Edit | Del The Spike Show? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Свежие новости. Похоже, Ведон действительно собирается умыть руки и писать комиксы.
Date Posted: 22:25:30 02/17/04 Tue Author: royd_9 Author Host/IP: ppp190-243.lino.sympatico.ca / 142.217.243.190 Subject: Confirmed: Joss Whedon to write X-men
Joss Whedon will be writing a 12 issue-run on Marvel Comics' new mutant title: Astonishing X-men. The new title begins in may 2004, it features art by John Cassaday, and becomes the core title of Marvel's "X" line.
There is a short interview with Joss Whedon at www.wizarduniverse.com
X-MARKS THE SPOT Whedon, Cassaday launch new X-Men title
Hit televisions shows just weren’t enough for Joss Whedon, he had to have the X-Men too. After creating both “Buffy: The Vampire Slayer” and the hit spin-off “Angel,” Whedon’s now signed on to write a new X-Men title debuting in May. Alongside superstar artist John Cassaday (Planetary), Whedon will launch Astonishing X-Men, the newest title to join the ever-expanding X-line of books.
“For the last couple of years, I’ve really been reading New X-Men pretty avidly,” Whedon told Wizard. “I was really into the book and I don't have three shows on the air anymore, just one. I love the world so much. I love the book. I felt like, ‘Well, my schedule is opening up a little bit and these guys are all so cool, it'd be so much fun.’ Then, John Cassaday expressed interest—that made it exciting and everything kind of fell into place.”
While Whedon’s team members are still top secret and he’s wary of releasing too many details about his upcoming 12-issue run, Cassaday did mention that it was a hard deal to turn down after the artist heard about the cast of characters he’d be allowed to draw.
“I doodled some character ideas way before I'd given Marvel a firm answer,” said Cassaday. “Some characters were instant and easily handled, but there are some concepts I'm still tinkering with. I can't say I'm intimidated by any of them, though. I just feel lucky that so many of my favorites are on our team. It certainly makes a difference.”
For a full five-page feature on how the entire Whedon/Cassaday X-Men deal came together with exclusive quotes from all the creators on board the project, check out Wizard #151, on sale March 31
Но с другой стороны, пресса не хочет его отпускать за просто так и даже намекает, что неплохо бы запустить The Spike Show...
Buffy, and to some extent its spin-off Angel, helped put WB on the map — much as The X-Files was key in establishing Fox's network identity. I still remember my shock when I first put in the tape of the Buffy pilot, with expectations that couldn't be lower — after all, I'd seen the movie. I wasn't counting on much from the series or from the mini-network that up until then had little to recommend itself. (This was before Felicity, Dawson's Creek and Gilmore Girls, mind you.) Sarah Michelle Gellar's delightful performance as the spunky slayer, the warm wit and wisdom of Whedon's worldview, and the dynamic presence of David Boreanaz's soulful Angel (who would prove himself to be a leading man capable of carrying a series of his own), all were revelations to me.
Over the years, I have come to expect a certain level of quality from WB, and I have also become accustomed to the network not making that many regrettable programming decisions. Losing Buffy to UPN was one, letting Angel go before its creative team was ready is another. I will miss this world terribly. I think WB will come to miss it as well.
It's yet another body blow in a discouraging season for fans of offbeat TV. How many more reluctant goodbyes will we be forced to make to our favorite series before this year is over?
No Angel: Well, I'm not exactly happy about the WB's decision to put a stake in Angel. And I'm going to be even more steamed if they decide to renew sludge like One Tree Hill and The Surreal Life. More than 32,000 viewers have signed this petition to keep Angel alive; at the very least, might the WB consider launching Spike: The Series? Posted 5 p.m. ET
Знаете, господа, а ведь USA Today - это серьезное издание, там не дураки сидят... Значит не мы одни такие, кто этого хочет?
HIGH STAKES: Angel fans may be deeply divided as to whether or not a certain Slayer should play a part in the show's series finale in May, but exec producer Joss Whedon isn't: He wants Sarah Michelle Gellar back. "We'll put out some feelers [again] to see if there's some interest there," he told TV Guide Online in an interview last night. "We'd certainly love to have her." But Gellar nixed an earlier offer to guest-star on Angel this season and Whedon says he isn't "banking" on her changing her mind. Still, we have to ask: If the Chosen One were to reappear in the Buffyverse, which of her undead loves would she be returning for — Spike or Angel? "You think I'm going to tell you that? I'm not going to tell you that," Whedon says. "If she were to come back it would be to answer that question."
MORE HIGH STAKES: In other Angel news, rumors that the axed WB drama could follow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer's footsteps and put down stakes at rival network UPN are just that — rumors. "We've talked about the possibility," Whedon says, "but it's a longshot." A UPN spokeswoman had no comment, but an Angel insider confirms that execs at 20th Century Fox (Angel's producer) are putting together a proposal for UPN.
Конечно же, Ведон обращается к фанам, чтобы иметь за плечами поддержку. Конечно же, он нами манипулирует, нагнетая страсти - но ему нужно срочно получить много голосов в свою защиту, чтобы сказать - смотрите, какую фанбазу я к вам приведу, если захотите. И меня это совершенно не коробит. Я уже обдумываю, как буду писать на UPN, что шоу "Ангел" - это хорошо, а шоу "Спайк" - еще лучше.
----------- "Killing people is my job!" (c) Joss Whedon
Интересный кусочек из December 2003 issue of Buffy Magazine Quote:
Jordan Levin, top programming executive at the WB network, has revealed that he's keen to broadcast any potential spin-off that Joss may be planning. "Oh, absolutely," Jordan told journalists at a recent press event. " Given our relationship, I would expect that unless there's something contractual [with another broadcaster], that we would have a conversation about it. I think the WB is where a show like that belongs. And, given what's happened elsewhere, I think Joss would like to have it here."
Я не знаю, какой там у них производственный цикл, но смею предположить, что интервью давалось в конце октября-начале ноября. Рейтинги тогда стабильно держались в районе трешки. Высказывание Левина - явно ответ на вопрос журналиста, а не его собственная инициатива. И все равно - товарищ знает, что спиноффа ждут и хотят...
"given what's happened elsewhere" - о чем это он, интересно?
И забавный кусочек из статьи в "Калгари-Сан"
www.calgarysun.com/perl-bin/
Cancellation bites by Kevin Williamson Calgary Sun
And while it's hard to comprehend -- what with the current epidemic of creative dysentery called reality-TV -- that the small screen could get any worse, it took another small step towards a lousier place late last week with news that The WB network had staked the Buffy The Vampire Slayer spinoff, Angel, after five seasons.
There are many appalling ironies here -- not the least of which is that this smart, stylish entertainment gets nixed the same time the reality-romance genre's revolting answer to dwarf-tossing, The Littlest Groom, debuts.
But the worst of them all is that Angel, which took a few years to find its footing, is enjoying its best, most confident season to date.
Что реалити-шоу - это "эпидемия творческого поноса" - это точно!
VasquezE Member Posts: 440 (2/20/04 18:37) Reply | Edit | Del Последние новости -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.tvguide.com/news/entertainment/040220.asp
ANGEL UPDATE: Angel may be dead, but the show's fans sure aren't. Less than a week after the WB drove a stake through the Buffy spinoff, more than 45,000 Angel addicts have signed an online petition at PetitionOnline.com to keep the toothy drama alive. Campaigns to save the show are also being organized at numerous fan sites, including SupportAngel.org. But does any of this really matter? "It [helped] Roswell," says a WB rep. "It was as good as gone and the big fan campaign brought it back." In other words, the ball's in your court UPN.
Сайт www.savingangel.org/ открылся. Советую заглянуть. Ну-c господа, кампания началась. До 27 февраля открытки шлются на UPN
UPN Dawn Ostroff, UPN Entertainment President United Paramount Network 11800 Wilshire Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90025
Я собираюсь завтра отправить открытку следующего содержания:
Ms. Ostroff,
As a Russian "Angel" fan I can't influence the Nielsen ratings, but I can assure you that this show would significantly raise your profile all around the world. It's in your best interests to pick up "Angel" for the 6th season.
И открыточку какую-нибудь с Кремлем выбрать. Конечно, текст здесь совершенно не важен, открытки наверняка будут оценивать на вес...
Angel 14 33% Everybody Loves Raymond 7 16% Frasier 2 4% Friends 9 21% Sex and the City 10 23%
Примем участие?
А чтобы немножко поднять настроение, предлагаю конкурс на самое оскорбительное ругательство в адрес The WB, которое вы либо видели в Сети, либо придумали сами.
Для почина - название текущей общеспойлерной ветки на Спарклях:
GD #41-The last title was an insult to @#%$ eating cumrags
Да, до "говноедских кончальных тряпок" я бы не додумалась...
Elena S Member Posts: 140 (2/21/04 0:06) Reply | Edit | Del ezSupporter Знаешь, я не рискую посылать открытки, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- т.к., если мою не дай Бог заметят, мне бы не хотелось, чтобы твбоссы имели возможность задумать, откуда в России знают о сериале, который туда не продавали.
VasquezE Member Posts: 443 (2/21/04 0:52) Reply | Edit | Del Re: Знаешь, я не рискую посылать открытки, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Знаешь, я глубоко убеждена, что читать их никто не будет... Важно, чтобы, как написал кто-то где-то, чтобы большой начальник не мог войти в свой кабинет из-за горы открыток перед входом...
Geroneja Moderator Posts: 721 (2/21/04 3:01) Reply | Edit | Del Re: Знаешь, я не рискую посылать открытки, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Васкес, спасибо за ссылки Эх, попытка - не пытка!
Я только что голосовала - у "Ангела" 61%!!
Jaruschka Member Posts: 92 (2/21/04 18:49) Reply | Edit | Del Re: Знаешь, я не рискую посылать открытки, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Елена, даже если телебоссы и задумаются над тем, откуда в России мог появится "Ангел", что с того? Отмазка может быть проста, как дважды два. Я ведь тоже открытку из России посылать буду, что не помешало мне шестой сезон "Би" (в России также не демонстрируемый) смотреть вполне официально. В Германии . Откуда им знать, может, ты где-нибудь в Америке какое-то время жила.
У "Ангела" уже 65%. --- О величии эпохи спросите у раздавленных ею
Buffy and Angel in Ukraine
Edited by: Jaruschka at: 2/21/04 18:54
VasquezE Member Posts: 445 (2/21/04 18:5 Reply | Edit | Del Re: Знаешь, я не рискую посылать открытки, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Точно! "Я тут, будучи проездом из Вашингтона в Нью-Йорк через Москву..."
It's been a rough week for TV fans. As if the end of Sex and the City weren't tragic enough, Angel is leaving us, too.
The cancellation came as a surprise to everyone--at least that's what I choose to believe. As those of you who read my chat transcript already know, I checked in with the flacks-that-be after hearing rumors last week and was assured the show had not been axed. And these network and studio reps have never led me astray before.
А это - с ASSB
In the latest Entertainment Weekly, under "What to Watch" for Wednesday (keep in mind that they very rarely give Angel a mention, and ALL the reviews they give are snarky):
9-10pm Angel (The WB, TV-14-V) It's canceled. You're bummed. And a letter-writing campaign is no doubt already underway. But at least we get this episode written and directed by Joss Whedon.
И оттуда же...
Stupid Questions this week with... Alyson Hannigan
She played a sapphically inclined witch on TV's Buffy the Vampire Slayer and a sexually curious flutist in the American Pie movies. Next week, you can spot Alyson Hannigan as a cop-in-training on a two-episode guest stint on Fox's That '70s Show (airing in February). We caught up with her in London, where she can currently be seen with Luke Perry in a stage production of When Harry Met Sally. Read below to see what happened When Alyson Met a Bunch of Really Stupid Questions. --Scott Brown and Adam B. Vary
You will soon appear on That '70s Show. We haven't watched that show in ages. What the hell is happening on it? Is it still in the '70s? Ah, yes, I don't know what year it is, but definitely in the '70s. Could be late '70s.
You costar with Ashton Kutcher. Who's getting punk'd in this scenario? Actually, I really was convinced the only reason I was going to be on the show was for some sort of elaborate punk. I was watching my back. If anything weird happened, I was looking for hidden cameras.
How is faking an orgasm with Jason Biggs different than faking one with Luke Perry? Is the 91210 theme running through your head? [Laughs] Uh, no, but it will be now--thank you very much for that lovely visual. Well, I guess the orgasm with Luke is a lot bigger, and I have to do it more. I have to do it every day. Sometimes twice. Twice on Thursdays and Saturdays.
You're married to Alexis Denisof, a regular on Angel. So you pretty much have to guest-star or sleep on the couch, right? [Laughs] Well that would be nice, although it's really not up to him. I'm hoping that they can just shoot Angel over here. I think Wesley needs to go back to the Watcher's Council over in England.
Do you sing "Surrey With the Fringe on Top" as well as Meg Ryan did? Um. Not yet. Maybe I should try to make people's ears bleed. Why not? I'll try it on one night. See, that's the great thing about theater. That one night, I could try to go for the bleeding ears, and then the next night I could go for... opera!
You were in that lesbian magazine, FHN. Did you worry that the lesbians were exploiting you? [With great fake enthusiasm] That's why I did it! Ha ha ha--huh? That's not so good. Oh, dear. I'm sorry, I missed that joke. It's probably the time difference. Ohhh, I feel dumb. This joke's not working out.
Uh, never mind. So, do you find it suspicious that Buffy co-star Anthony Stewart Head became Anthony Head when he went back to England? What happened to Stewart? Was Stewart jettisoned over the North Atlantic? I think it got lost in his luggage.
We suspect witches and lesbians You cracked it. That's probably it, but I suspect it's got something to do with the Screen Actors Guild
----------- "Killing people is my job!" (c) Joss Whedon
Which series ending this season are you going to miss the most?
Текущие результаты: Angel:
55.15% The Chris Isaak Show:
2.36% Frasier:
4.79% Friends:
20.50% Sex and the City:
15.40% Soul Food:
1.81%
Вот здесь, господа, лучше проголосовать. Я этот адресок и на общеспойлерную закину...
Новости с savingangel.org
За два дня они собрали 6 тысяч долларов. На рекламу в The Hollywood Reporter уже хватит. Теперь они обдумывают, где еще нужно дать объявления и стоит ли делать щитовую рекламу. В общем, размах тот еще...
Мдя-м, это называется нефиг давать Геро после встречи с одноклассниками, которых она не видела пять лет, клаву в руки )) Васкес, спасибо, что заметила, но, может, действительно что-то в этом есть? ) Уже поправила )
А размах действительно очень серьезный
----------- "Killing people is my job!" (c) Joss Whedon
Очень интересная информация к размышлению о причинах закрытия. Эдди со Спарклей нашел на Slayage.com старые статьи за 2001 год о том как UPN купила "Баффи". По прочтении этих статей складывается впечатление, что в случае с "Ангелом" проблема была не столько в пересмотре старых контрактов с актерами, сколько с пересмотре условий лицензии, предоставляемой Fox на студию The WB.
Quote:
Her bloodsucker-battling prowess could make even a WWF hulkette like Chyna cower in her leather leotards. So it only makes sense that the Smackdown Network would try to get its hands on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Despite early speculation that the cult hit was too costly for UPN's junior-sized pocketbook, the network is reportedly one of several bidding for a chance to land the in-limbo WB series.
Both Hollywood trade papers reported Thursday that UPN has made an offer to producer 20th Century Fox Television for Sarah Michelle Gellar's stake-wielding alter ego--joining a list of potential suitors that's said to include NBC, Fox and Buffy's current home, the WB.
It's been exactly three weeks since the Frog Network's exclusive (and very publicly battled) contract negotiation period expired, leaving the show open for another network to snatch it up. At issue? Money, of course: The WB reportedly offered as much as $1.6 million per episode, while 20th Century Fox asked for between $2.3 million and $2.5 million per episode--aiming for a deal much like the WB nailed down for its biggest hit, 7th Heaven.
Вот этого я не поняла. То ли сама лицензия стоит полтора-два миллиона за серию, то ли Fox требует, чтобы в шоу вкладывали не меньше этой суммы (напоминаю, что права на DVD остаются у Fox, равно как и вся прочая продукция - календари, плакаты, товары с символикой). По идее второй вариант ближе к истине, потому что в EW за 1999 год я читала, что стоимость серии "Баффи" составляет полтора миллиона. Но точно не знаю...
Продолжение статьи: Daily Variety contends that the WB is still in the running to keep Buffy, and now may have budged past its once-final $1.6 million offer. Meanwhile, various reports continue to speculate about who's still in contention: The Hollywood Reporter says ABC has dropped out of the running, while UPN and NBC are still interested. Variety, meanwhile, indicates that Fox (up to this point seen as the most likely candidate) also remains a distinct possibility, and UPN nabbing Buffy doesn't appear very likely.
Whatever final bit of haggling goes down, insiders claim a deal could be announced soon. Not only would a deal keep series creator Joss Whedon pleased for a while longer, a new contract would also finally end what's been an unusually public snipe-fest over Buffy's fate after five seasons on the WB.
Even this week, the war of words continued in the press. WB chief Jamie Kellner bluntly told Entertainment Weekly, "It's not our number-one show. It's not a show like ER that stands above the pack."
Whedon was apparently none too pleased with the rhetoric, and he lashed back in the New York Daily News. "It makes me angry to see this show belittled," he said. "For Jamie Kellner to call it a teen show and dismiss his own product angers me. It doesn't breed love."
Back in January, Gellar herself even got into the act, telling E! Online that she'd stay on the show "if, and only if, Buffy stays on the WB." She later changed her mind, saying she'd stick around no matter where it goes.
Of course, no word on whether her loyalty would actually include moving to a scrapper network like UPN. But hey, at least she'd get free season tickets to XFL games.
И еще одна цитатка:
Now that ``Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' is headed to UPN, the WB isn't wasting any time distancing itself from the series. Among the WB's more interesting moves in recent days:
- The WB had previously planned to run a tribute ad in ``Buffy'' 100th episode section scheduled to run in the Hollywood Reporter next week. In the wake of the show's defection, and creator Joss Whedon's harsh comments about the WB's top management, the ad has now been pulled. UPN has stepped in with its own congratulatory ad.
- Stock photos of ``Buffy'' thesps have been pulled from the show's official, WB-sponsored website. WB insiders didn't want to give UPN easy access to pictures with which it could promote the show's upcoming move. ``We're only exercising our contractual right to exclusively promote the show,'' a WB spokesman said.
- A promo spot following Tuesday's ``Buffy'' episode warned viewers that there were only three episodes left before ``The WB series finale'' of ``Buffy.'' That's technically true, but there's no doubt WB execs wouldn't mind if viewers thought the show was ending altogether.
None of the WB's moves are particularly harsh or out of line with how other networks have behaved in the past when shows have switched webs. For example, when the WB acquired ``Sabrina, the Teenage Witch'' from ABC last May, the WB couldn't mention the ``Sabrina'' title on-air until mid-September. And when the WB snagged ``The PJs'' from Fox, the latter network used most of the summer to double-run the animated series, thus lessening the value of those repeats to the WB.
И еще одна виньеточка: July 2001.
Quote: ``Buffy'' star Sarah Michelle Gellar defied expectations and made an appearance during the UPN press session. The Viacom-owned network has been wooing Gellar since word leaked out that the thesp was less than pleased with moving from the WB to UPN, whose biggest show is ``WWF Smackdown!''
Eliza was on On Air with Ryan Seacrest this afternoon, and the first thing she talked about (after being asked about her shoes), was Angel's cancellation and the fan effort to save the show.
Eliza talked about how shocked and angry she was that Angel had been cancelled, how horrible is is for the fans to loose Buffy one year and Angel the next, and voiced her support for all the fans working hard to save Angel.
No mention if Faith could make an appearance on the finale though (Tru Calling wraps a month before Angel does, so she would be available). She has mentioned several times before that she thought Faith would to return to Angel at some time.
It's great to see former cast out there promoting Angel and the Save Angel campaigns.
§Є §Ь§а§Э§а§Я§Ь§С §¬§в§Ъ§г§д§Ъ§Я: From larrypigtails: Enough Sex and the City! What say you of Angel?! Kristin: That it's quite possibly the greatest tragedy I've ever endured, aside from that one time my Barbie Big Wheels got crushed by the neighbor's Winnebago. Honestly, guys, I have been in a serious funk for a whole week with Angel's cancellation and the end of Sex and the City. I feel as if they've ripped out my heart and fed it to me with a spoon. But my misery aside, here's where it all stands, as far as I know: Joss' camp and the studio are not giving up. Sources say the show has been pitched to UPN and "it's being discussed." You can lend your support by contributing to Variety and Hollywood Reporter ads, or signing a petition, at these Websites: SupportAngel.org and SaveAngel.org. Go now!
From end_of_the_road: Regarding Angel's impending end, I heard that Sarah Michelle Gellar is reconsidering an appearance on Angel. Is this true? Kristin: Yes, though at this point it's just "considering." Joss really wants her back for the very end--as we all do--and she has been offered a spot. If she says yes, I'm guessing it will take some rejiggering from the writers. I hear they'd already begun writing the finale script.
From rachelbee: Why didn't you warn us Angel was getting canceled? It's your job! Kristin: I know! But I didn't know, and I'm sorry. Everyone, and I do mean everyone, was stunned to learn of the show's cancellation, including the reps at the studio and the network, the cast and, of course, Joss Whedon. In case you missed it, here is Joss' statement about the cancellation:
"This news is, needless to say, surprising, but it's really wonderful that the WB let us know so early on that we were picked up for a sixth exciting season! Angel is hitting new strides in terms of creativity and appeal, and everyone is so full of energy, of new stories, it's just comforting to...[rereads memo]...Oh. Oh, that's different. That sucks. Especially since the whole 'new strides' thing was actually true. Angel is as strong as it's ever been--except for that's it's dead. Truthfully, I'm heartbroken. This is a show, a staff and a cast I've felt privileged to work with. I only wish to continue that. I can't speak for the WB's reasoning, and this would probably be a bad time for me to comment on any of the shows they're not canceling. But they provided a home (albeit a temporary foster home) for both Buffy and Angel that otherwise would not have existed, and I'm grateful for that. All we have left on Angel is to end the season with episodes as strong and meaningful as we can muster--but then, we were gonna do that anyway."
From aliciajo: Can I just say RIP Angel? Kristin: You can. But you likely won't get out of this chat alive. Run! Run for your life!
From platypirock: What's the deal with Angel? Any hope for a save by UPN, Ё¤ la Buffy? Kristin: An insider close to UPN tells me higher-ups are trying not to pick up other networks' "leftovers" anymore, so I'm thinking it's not likely. I wish I could tell you otherwise! If the price is right, UPN might, just might, pick it up. They should, dammit, after seeing from Buffy that this devoted fan base will follow a show anywhere. But I'm guessing that would mean a smaller price tag and possibly cast or staffing cuts, and that is something Joss has said he'd never do (a reporter at TCA asked him if he'd ever pull a David E. Kelley-Practice move, and he said if they couldn't do the show well, they wouldn't do it at all). Also, don't forget that David Boreanaz sounded more or less ready to move on during his recent Q&A with us. "I'm really itching to explore other characters and do other projects. I think I've been stuck in this medical school for a while, and I need to open up and get out." So, like I said, it is not likely, but crazier things have happened (think Roswell), and we should muster all the support we can. Rah-rah! As SupportAngel.org says, "Love the show? Show the Love!"
Будешь тут в шоке - "Ангел" вполне мог быть "запасным ходом", хотя бы в качестве гостевой звезды. Никогда не помешает иметь такое в заначке. Тем более, что она там очень хороша была - впрочем, как и в своём сериале.
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Yahoo! TV Poll "Angel" has been cancelled - this season will be its last. How do you feel about this? Thanks for voting! 1859 votes to date I am furious beyond belief. 36% 679 votes I'm sad, but it's not that big a deal. 17% 329 votes Yay! I was never big on that show. 45% 851 votes
По состоянию на 23:47 (2389 votes ) I am furious beyond belief. 44% 1068 votes I'm sad, but it's not that big a deal. 15% 372 votes Yay! I was never big on that show. 39% 949 votes
Yahoo! TV Poll "Angel" has been cancelled - this season will be its last. How do you feel about this? Thanks for voting! 4324 votes to date I am furious beyond belief. 57% 2495 votes I'm sad, but it's not that big a deal. 12% 524 votes Yay! I was never big on that show. 30% 1305 votes
----------- "Killing people is my job!" (c) Joss Whedon
Yahoo! TV Poll "Angel" has been cancelled - this season will be its last. How do you feel about this? Thanks for voting! 7265 votes to date I am furious beyond belief. 62% 4542 votes I'm sad, but it's not that big a deal. 10% 775 votes Yay! I was never big on that show. 26% 1948 votes
Немножко статистики (что поделаешь - цифирная душа!)
Голосовалки на яхе висят 3-4 дня. Наибольшее число голосов (вообще - и за, и против) собрало голосование по сериалу "Друзья" (16212). "Ангел" за неполный день собрал больше семи тысяч. Может поставить новый рекорд.
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