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VasquezE(04/03/04 11:30:09) 5.22 Not Fade Away (series finale...that's all, people!)
"Не угасай" (Not Fade Away) Автор сценария Джеффри Белл
(перевожу предельно дословно, иногда не в пользу стилю, но здесь не до стиля)
Ангел начинает идти вперед, направляясь к сиденью (seat). Мы передвинаемся вместе с ним, по мере того как он пересекает помещение. Когда он подходит к определенному столу, он останавливается и опускает взгляд. Ангел: Привет. Противоположный ракурс показывает Коннора. Он сидит в одиночестве, перед ним разложено несколько книг и бумаги. В тот момент когда он поднимает глаза на Ангела мы переключаемся на:
Интерьер. Паб. (PUB) День. Крупный план барной стойки. Пустая стопка с грохотом ставится на поверхность рядом со стопкой, наполненной Jack Daniels. Мы видим руку, которая берет наполненную стопку, камера отъезжает и мы видим, что это Спайк. Он выпивает стопку и оглядывает бар. Вокруг него много крутых мужиков, которые явно не прочь подраться. (tough looking bruisers mill about) Спайк кивает бармену, чтобы он налил еще. Пока тот наливает, кто-то, проходя мимо Спайка, сильно толкает его. Спайк: Милая компания. Бармен: Предупреждаю, здесь случаются неприятности. Спайк: Я пришел как раз на ними. (What I’m after.) Он опрокидывает стопку. Спайк: Еще парочку порций храбрости - и я смогу заявить о своем присутствии. Бармен: Тебя ждут похороны. Спайк: У меня никогда не было нормальных похорон. Он опрокидывает еще одну стопку.
Натура. Убежище для бездомных. День. Анна относит мебель и коробки в грузовик. На улице стоит большой потрепанный дивен. Несколько человек помогает ей. Она видит: Анна: Чарльз!
Это все сайдзы, господа. Now and forever. Больше не будет.
А теперь комментарии и размышления. Меня, как ни странно, удивил Pub. Мне до сих пор казалось, что пабы - это в Англии, а в Лос-Анджелесе это название не фигурирует. Но ни на одном форуме я не заметила удивления по этому поводу.
О названии:
"It is better to burn out than to fade away", by Neil Young. Also a line from Kurt Cobain's suicide note Это также название одной из серий "Геракла" (H:tLJ) - дальше будут подробные комментарии И какая-то цитата, которую использовал генерал МакАртур title probably refers to General McArthur's use of a quote of uncertain origin: "Old soldiers never die... they just fade away."
Интерпретации на ASSB: 1. toothy A radical interpretation of the 22 sides. The most important word in the sides, "DAY" Angel and Spike have shanshued. A human Angel goes to see his son. Spike gets his "one good day". He fought slayers because this was the only battle he knew he could lose. After having vampire strength, he's now ready to go out in a fair fight.
2. Aquillea However, I'm not sure we yet have a very clear picture of what it means to Shanshu. Actually it could be kinda fun if Angel did 'Shanshu' and someone says "So...?" Wanting to know how it feels to finally get the 'big prize' and Angel just kinda shrugs... because it hasn't actually changed anything for him. You know, a little like Dorothy trying to get home from Oz. It was a quest for her to get there yet the Good Witch finally reveals she's always had the power, herself. It's a journey of self-discovery where there person doesn't really change too much at all... just their self-awareness, their understanding of their place in the world and their desire to occupy that space... their sense of 'home'.
In addition, there is still the chance that Spike could Shanshu (as in become human), not Angel. Angel has already given up that opportunity once. I could see Angel being offered the opportunity again and again turning it down, only this time not for Buffy but for himself. Angel got stuch with a soul while Spike sought his out. It was a step for Spike in the humanizing direction. I think, unlike Angel, Spike would be a happy camper if he could be human again. I could see a scenario where Angel gets offered the Shanshu and Spike tries not to seem disappointed but it's obvious he is. Angel thinks about it... then asks if Spike can Shanshu instead. I think this scenerio works for Angel's 'journey', Spike's 'journey', and the sort of sibling-rivalry relationship between Angel and Spike.
After Spike Shanshus he would taunt Angel saying he only did it because he wanted to be the only comic-book hero, vampire with a soul guy. Yet you can tell Spike is happy and grateful to be human again... While at the same time all the Angel-Angel fans who somewhat resented Angel having to share the spotlight with Angel get to have that resolved, heroically, by Angel. *********** There was an episode of H:tLJ that also was entitled Not Fade Away. In that episode a character who was once a "soldier" dies and goes to the Underworld where he finds his father... a slain soldier who was denied access to the Elysian Fields. How did Cordy put it about Doyle again... the first soldier down/to fall? Something like that? Sooo... if old soldiers never die, they just fade away... and our AI gang are going to NOT Fade Away... does that mean they never give up the fight (perhaps Angel) or they never get to be old soldiers, in other words they die as young soldiers (Doyle, Cordy... who knows who else?) or, probably, a little of both?
3. itchyscratch If the description was EXT. - BAR - DAY, and Spike was standing around having a pint, then I'd get excited, but it's INT. He's inside in the daytime. Whoopee. Big deal. The 'day' description is probably there to provide timeframe references, as happens in the scripts.
4. Zoriah All the snippet shows is that Anne is at the shelter and they are moving some boxes into a truck(possibly leaving to a new premises?) She sees Gunn and says his name. That's it. I find it more believable Gunn is checking in with the 'bros' one last time than I do that Gunn has a new job. All we see with Angel and Connor is that Angel walks up and says hi. Since Connor has his study books before him I would think it's an unexpected visit. I see Spike's scene as rather fatalistic. One last rabble he can enjoy before the true ugliness comes.
5. Clairel I didn't notice what the scene numbers were, but someone told me they were scenes 7, 8, and 9. But if the things I described are happening early in the episode, then maybe the previous episode (5.21, "Power Play") actually wraps up all or most of the W&H plot, and what we have going on for most of 5.22 is Our Heroes' new lives. Angel's re-connecting with Connor could actually be broken off with Angel saying "Hi," and everything else just implied--but there are other things Angel needs to resolve in his life, such as where he's going to live and what he's going to do from now on, and that could take up a big chunk of the episode. Also, I have a feeling Angel-Spike interaction will be important in this episode. So undoubtedly the last we see of Spike won't be him alone in a bar. Maybe Angel goes and finds him later, and they thresh some things out about their future partnership (I assume there will be a future partnership between Spike and Angel).
6. Dandy
Пояснения: Анна (Джулия Ли) - девушка, которая сначала училась с Баффи в одной школе (эпизод 207 Lie To Me), потом встретилась с ней, когда Баффи сбежала из дома (301 Anne). Позже она появилась в Ангелверсе в сериях 212 и 214 - работала в приюте для бездомных.
Anne has a lot of connections in the Buffyverse. Anne, here, I think represents Buffy's place in this universe, her morality. In the episode Anne, Chanterelle abandons her old life and adopts Buffy/Anne's identifty, her job, her name and her morality. She 'becomes' Buffy. She goes on to be an empowered woman who helps street kids. She also represents Angel, the Angel whose life was unfocused until Whistler led him to Buffy. The comparison between Anne, still fighting the good fight, one soul at a time and the fallen Angel of W&H is jarring.
Buffy was the example that inspired Anne, Angel and later Spike to adopt her mission, tailored to themselves. So Gunn, going back to Anne, is in essence acknowledging his moral failure, seeking guidance, inspiration, an example of purity, the morality Anne adopted from Buffy. He is in exxence, going back to the supreme example of morality in the Whedonverse--Buffy. He goes to her as one would go to pray in a church, to seek out the statue of Mary, reconnect, find one's moral center again in the place of virtue.
The inclusion of Anne acknowledges Buffy as the supreme example of morality in this universe. She is the Christ figure, the one who sacrificed herself to save the world, the one who never failed the tests of her morality, who sacrificed her personal life to her mission. The potentials are the equivalent to the apostles, spreading the power, the word, the deeds around the world.
How does Angel fit into a Christian analogy? I'm not sure. Depends on what he does. This whole season has been about deception. My whole reading of the dream in Soul Survivor is a positive one. The raisin, the nut are condensed foods, nutrients, deceptively appearing shriveled and old but in reality, potent and rich. So, I'm thinking (OK, hoping) our fallen Angel is going to pull it out of the hat. Be our true, strong, good Angel.
Isn't there some indication from one of the sides that he may let Sebasis think he is Angelus, and he tells someone (Wes? Gunn?)that it is still he, Angel? Angel using deception would fit with the themes of the season, would answer Lindsey's call for him to beat W&&H at their own game.
On the other hand sequels and future plans for Angel would not preclude the death of the character here. Resurrection is a good way to start a new series, movie, etc. Lord knows, it's easy enough. I could practically do it. So I wouldn't count on Angel or any of them not biting the big one.
И от себя: Похоже, это самые первые страницы сценария, так что главное - впереди...
Не знаю, пока у меня вообще в голове никакой картины нормальной нет, но девушка Анна - это очень интересно, учитывая еще и то, что значит имя Анна в Джоссверсе, возможно, все возвращается на круги своя, и Ганн - снова на улицу, а наши вампы таки получили свое шаншу (ох, повяжут их этим шаншу, чует мое сердце!), а может быть и нет, нечетко как-то все пока, но название серии мне нравится )
Паршиво мне что-то от этих спойлеров. Конни, Энн... Я эту Эннн и без напоминаний узнала, только она всегда появляется из ниоткуда. И шаншу какое-то невеселое получается. И похороны Спайка?! А с каких пор Эннн стала воплощением морали? Это она-то? Не она ли взяла "грязные деньги" ВиХ в 2 сезоне (эпизод Blood Money)? Сомневаюсь, что кто-то из наших "живых мальчиков" поедет навестить Баффи. Эх... Какой печальный финал по нынешним спойлерам.
А я ничего хорошего уже не жду. Впрочем, я никогда не жду ничего хорошего, но сейчас как-то особенно паршиво... Зная Джосса... Эх, надо запасаться носовыми платками и литрами валерьянки.
CAST Angel DAVID BOREANAZ Charles Gunn J. AUGUST RICHARDS Winifred “Fred” Burkle AMY ACKER Lorne ANDY HALLETT Spike JAMES MARSTERS
and ALEXIS DENISOF as Wesley Wyndam-Pryce
ADDITIONAL CAST Connor VINCENT KARTHEISER Eve SARAH THOMPSON Harmony MERCEDES MCNAB Lindsey CHRISTIAN KANE Hamilton ADAM BALDWIN Izzy MARK COLSON Sebassis LELAND CROOKE Cyvus Vail DENNIS CHRISTOPHER Senator Bruckner STACEY TRAVIS Anne JULIA LEE Bartender DAVID FIGLIOLI Demon Slave RYAN ALVAREZ
PRODUCTION CREDITS Written by JEFFREY BELL & JOSS WHEDON Directed by JEFFREY BELL
А я вот думаю - ежели хранителя колодца использовали в качестве напитка для гостей, то кто охраняет Старейших? И не выберутся ли они? И если выберутся, то на чьей стороне будут сражаться?
What I'm about to pass along, is more than likely the plotline of the final episode of 'Angel'. I'm sure that like myself, you are not going to believe that it's true at first. So it would probably be a good idea to pass along a little background information.
This info comes from a source that has proven to be extremely valuable this past season. Everything that they have told me has come to pass, they have yet to be wrong. Which means I normally pass along all their information without worrying about getting a secondary confirmation. However, there was one exception to that rule this season.
Sometimes, spoilers are so volatile, that I will not post them until I can get independent confirmation. If I don't get that confirm, I will not post them. That happened one time this season. I learned in November, weeks before it was mentioned anywhere else, that Fred was going to die and become Illyria. My source was not 100% that it was written in stone, and try as I might, I couldn't get any confirmation at all until Pandora posted her summary. Because of the nature of this spoiler, I didn't want to post a word about it, until I was certain.
Keep the above in mind, when I tell you that this spoilage has required not only a second confirmation, but a third, fourth, and even fifth confirmation before I would post it. It's that volatile.
Before I go into the spoilers, I do have to offer this one caveat. All of this information is prior to actual filming, and there had been significant changes made already. While I'm extremely confident in the information, and as mentioned earlier I've received multiple confirms about the events of the episode, this may or may not be the finished product. Because of this, for now I'm only going to list the highlights and major events. There are still details that I'm not clear on, and questions that I have yet to have answered.
But there are also clues in the most recent episode to at least two of these spoilers, including a scene that was recently added, which lends credence to this information.
Final Warning: If you have ever considered going unspoiled, now would be a good time to do it. Because unless Joss has managed to pull off the spoiler-foiler of the century, this is how it ends...
Not Fade Away
Angel is playing the bad boy in order to figure out who he has to go through to get to the Senior Partners. It's unclear if he tells the others prior to this episode, or if the rest of 'Angel Investigations' is at a loss as to what is happening to him.
He does explain early in this episode, and tells everyone to go prepare themselves for the final battle. This then ties in with the one casting side, which has Angel seeing Connor, Spike in a bar, and Gunn seeing Anne. When they gather, they have to split up into different groups because there are multiple targets that need to be taken out (I have a feeling that they will be taking out most of the factions we see in 'Power Play'). Once this is done, they will meet up again and proceed to the final battle either to get to, or with, the Senior Partners.
Lindsey, Eve, and Connor all take part in these missions, fighting on the side of Angel. However, Angel has been forewarned that there is a traitor in their midst. Things get a bit unclear here, as to who is fighting what, but this is the outcome of these missions.
Wesley dies during his mission, and while he's dying Illyria appears to change once more into Fred and cries over him.
Gunn will die after he succeeds in completing his mission, while on his way back to the others.
Lorne is battling with Lindsey, and after they succeed in their mission, Lorne shoots Lindsey and kills him. Eve is heartbroken, and I believe that Lorne simply leaves everyone at this time. His work is done, and he told everyone that before they went out to fight.
Angel is losing in his fight with Hamilton, when Connor arrives and together they defeat him (or run him off). Connor then goes back to his family.
Why do these missions go so poorly? Probably because Harmony is in bed with Hamilton (literally). Hamilton turned her against the rest of the gang, and she revealed what they were planning to do.
The final scene? Somewhere, more than likely another dimension perhaps, Angel and Spike and Illyria face off against a dragon. It's unclear if this is the guardian to the Senior Partners or the physical manifestation of the Senior Partners.
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A lot of questions are open after that final, and maybe there are some foilers in it, but hell..this is going to be a battle!!!
Чего-то в этом роде я и ожидала от гения-злодея. Но даже от того, что он не обманул ожидания, не легче. Больно? наверное. Страшно? да. Очень страшно. Как перед последним боем. Потому что он действительно - последний. Может кто-то еще и живет надеждой, что нам позволят смотреть сказку и дальше, но не я.
У нас 50/50 шансов на то, что все закончится оки-доки и 1/100, что все останутся живы, что встретит их у входа к Старшим партнерам демон мести Анянка, что материализуются прямо из воздуха Корди, Тара и Фред в доспехах и при мечах, что мимо них размытой тенью пронесется маленькая фигурка и с развороту привычно вынесет ударом ноги дверь, что добро победит в конце концов зло. Не окончательно, ибо не интересно будет, ну, так, на приличное время. Что контрибуцией будет шаншу для Ангела и Корди в свадебном платье, а Спайку бессмертие (этому пацану вряд ли когда-нубудь наскучит топтать этот пыльный шарик) и Баффи впридачу (да, это плач неутешной Спаффи-шипперши). Что все, в конце концов будет хорошо! И действительно хорошо... а не за соответствующую плату... и не в фиках, а на самом деле... Все, ушла пить горькую.
--------- "The two of them ... they're weak, is all." Spike, 6.19 Entropy, BtVS
Учитывая то, что в "Ангеле" практикуются варианты "А что было бы, если повернуть время вспять и все изменить", то это еще большой вопрос, чем все это счастье закончится... Тем более, что Иллирия в 19-й с временем возилась заправки, в тоже время именно в 19-й ее этой возможности лишили, но если финальная битва идет в другом измерении, то кто знает? Ведон обещал открытый финал... Так и вижу - Ангел и Спайк отрубают голову этому самому дракону, вырывается свет и кадры сначала медленно, а потом быстро-быстро сменяют друг друга, отматывая время назад, как оно отматывалось вперед в 5.22 "Баффи"...
Интересно упоминание о другом измерении. Возможно, вначале Ведон задумывал новое измерение как среду обитания персонажей в следующем сезоне. Они ведь каждый сезон меняют формат.
Oh my God! Я, конечно, все понимаю, но простите, где тут может быть открытый финал после: этот умирает, это умирает, этот умирает... Открытость финала в чем? В выжившем Ангеле?
-------- Every person, all the events of your life,are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you.
Если будут телефильмы, потребуется другой состав и динамика отношений. Шесть-семь персонажей просто не влезут в полуторачасовой фильм. Поэтому состав участников сокращают. Иллирия останется, потому что она в начале пути, и потому что Ведон любит Эми Эккер. И два главных героя - куда же без них? Ну, и, может быть, Баффи появится (ххотя я особо на это не надеюсь).
Wesley Wyndam-Pryce? DEAD! Lindsey McDonald? DEAD! Charles Gunn? DEAD! Harmony Kendall? The Judas who betrays them all! The final scene? A CLIFFHANGER (yes, A CLIFFHANGER!!) as Angel, Spike and Illyria are about to square off against the senior partners! These come from spoilerslayer.com, which indicates they come from a source proven 100-percent accurate this season. (Meanwhile, Fox News has been reporting since Friday night that as many as six “Angel” TV movies are now in the works. I’ve not yet been able to confirm yet, though.)
"ANGEL" - (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) "Not Fade Away" THE END AND THE BEGINNING - Angel (David Boreanaz) and company spend the day as if it were their last as they prepare to bring down the evil Circle of the Black Thorn. Putting their lives on the line, Spike (James Marsters) confronts a demon cult, Lorne (Andy Hallett) faces off with Lindsay (Christian Kane), Gunn (J. August Richards) takes on an evil senator and Angel battles Hamilton (Adam Baldwin), the henchman of the Senior Partners. Vincent Kartheiser guest-stars as Connor.
Каташа, Наи права, они - не крысы. Они... они... Эх, жаль, что здесь ругаться нельзя. Они - *непечатно*, *непечатно*, *непечатно*!!! Уэсли и Лорн!!! Как они могли?!? Как посмели?!! *рыдает в голос* Ну почемууууу их быыыыыылооооо нельзяяяяя отпраааавииииить в какуююююю-нииибуууудь командировкууууу? Ну зааачееем сраааааазуууу убиваааааать? Может, нам их всех (читай - Джосса - драматизма ему, паршивцу, вечно не хватает! ) лишить репродуктивных органов?! *кровожадно* Ну почему все так плохо?! Хм... Вопрос, сдается мне, риторический... Если не сказать, сакраментальный... Злые они. Уйду я от них...
Крысы,не крысы.... За Уэсли их всех поубивать мало!Убить,воскресить,а потом еще убить!!! Лорн и Уэсли,вобще,по моему,единственные нормальные там оставались,не считая Спайка.(если к нему вобще подходит понятие "нормальный?") И их-того!????Гррррр.....Грау!!!!!! Хм...а...спойлеры то оочные?( снадеждой)может,это утка?Или,как вариант,они сначала немножко умрут,а потом воскреснут?
*философски* Ничто не вечно под луной... В смысле, кто его знает? Дамы, спокойствие, прорвемся! Эх, но вот с тем, что Уэс и Лорн самые-самые персонажи, кроме Спайкуши, согласна полностью...
Интересно, что Ведон уверяет, что не сильно изменил финал, узнав, что это последний сезон. Не удивлюсь, если он планировал временно укокошить пол-команды, посмотреть реакцию фанов, а потом решить - возвращать или нет. 19 серия (всех поубивали, а потом всех воскресили) - явный и откровенный anvil. Прыжки Иллирии во времени и меж измерениями можно вернуть так же легко, как и отобрать, так что механизм уже разработан.
Вопрос в другом. Куда вести персонажей после возвращения. Если Ведон считает, что у них есть достаточно интересный путь - в телефильмах мы снова увидим и Уэса, и Ганна, и Лорна (насколько я понимаю, последнего вообще не тронут). Честно говоря, я не очень представляю себе, куда развивать Ганна. Мордобойцем он поработал, искушение властью испытал, к темной стороне причастился. Приобщать его к мистике? Характер не тот, как мне кажется.
С Уэсом интереснее. В личном плане - Иллирия шляется за ним, как приблудная собачонка, хотя в последнее время ее примеривают к Спайку. Но со Спайком - уже хорошо отработанная и обкатанная история: с одной стороны, женщина-воительница, надирающая задницу, с другой - несостоявшийся поэт, всегда стремящийся к недостижимому. А Уэс - новершенно нехоженая территория.
У меня такое впечатление, что Ведон, создавая Иллирию, до конца не решил, кого он будет с ней спаривать в 6 сезоне, а потом нужда в решении вроде бы отпала, а сейчас, когда заговорили о телефильмах, снова возникла. И если для Ведона Иллирия - это исследование памяти и того, насколько мы - производное наших воспоминаний, - тогда, конечно, ее нужно было бы зацикливать на Уэсли.
И еще мне интересен вспыхнувший внезапно антропоцентризм Уэса. )Иллирия: Я провоняла человечностью. - Уэс: Не льсти себе.) Может быть, конечно, и проходной момент, а может быть, задел на телефильмы, на будущее осознание Уэсом того, что не всегда стоит ставить в центр вселенной человека. Возможно, для телефильма это слишком заумно и трудно, но Ведона эти проблемы волновали еще до "Баффи", в четвертом "Чужом".
В общем, мне кажется, что Уэса есть куда двигать. И теперь все зависит от того, сколько будет телефильмов. Если один - будут разбираться с Ангелом. Если шесть - товарищи, это ж целых полсезона! Тут много чего можно придумать.
И по теме: Да, убить - и посмотреть, что из этого выйдет - это Ведон любит. У него смерть - как лакмусовая бумажка - он ей все и всех проверяет. Кого он не проверял смертью в самых разных ситуациях? Кажется, абсолютно всех проверял. Причем не только смертью, но и последующим воскрешением - это он тоже любит.
Иллирия и Спайк? Думаю, эта мысль тоже была, не даром же между Спайком и Фред были такие милые отношения и в контексте "исследования памяти" с этим тоже можно было поиграть. Быть может, не так интересно, как с Уэсом, но все же вполне можно было.
Не по теме:
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Если шесть - товарищи, это ж целых полсезона!
Тут из моей груди вырвался страдающий вздох и я ушла писть валерьянку. Все еще так зыбко, что шесть фильмов - это такая волшебная, то ли сказка, то ли мечта...Every person, all the events of your life,are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you.
С Уэсом интереснее. В личном плане - Иллирия шляется за ним, как приблудная собачонка, хотя в последнее время ее примеривают к Спайку.
В последнее время как раз, если взять 18-ю, Иллирию больше примеривают к Уэсу и, судя по спойлерам той же 22-й, так оно и будет. Только посмотрите, какими глазами она на него смотрит, ловит каждое слово *как я писала вчера Стренджер, Уэс был Наблюдателем (формально) двух Истребительниц, теперь он у нас наблюдатель у богини-старешего демона*, а Спайк у нее, как она сказал, "to keep as a pet" )) Сейчас, как мне кажется, можно было бы спокойно строить спин-офф Иллирия/Уэс и это было бы действительно интересно, во-первых, я полностью согласна со сказаным по поводу Уэса Васкес, а во-вторых - недаром он персонаж, получивший наибольшее развитие в Ведонверсе после Спайка и, как мне тоже кажется, развивать его есть куда
На самом деле странно. Действительно, Уэсли - после Спайка самый "эволюционировавший" персонаж в Ведонверсе. И, как уже неоднократно было сказано выше, именно на нем стоит строить последующие фильмы. Но если его убьют... А Вам, дамы, не кажется, что в очередной раз прием "смерть-воскрешение" - будет уже слишком? Смешно. Перебор. И тому подобное? Сколько уж можно? Да, Джосс всех проверяет смертью. Но предел есть всему. Мне кажется, что если он попробует повторить этот прием еще раз, то это уже будет больше похоже на фарс (чистейшей воды IMHO). Впрочем, от Джосса можно ожидать чего угодно. И что может быть лучше хорошего фарса?.. С условием, что это действительно (!) хороший фарс. И опять же, мне кажется, что фарсовые ситуации уже отчетливо прослеживаюстся в последних сериях. Например, Иллирия и Спайк - пародия (аллюзия (?), реминесценция (?)) на Баффи\Спайк?.. А Иллирия и Уэс - своего рода повторение пары Баффи\Ангел? (Стукните меня, если это бред!)
А что до шести фильмов. Ой, я, пожалуй, сожму кулачки, зажмурюсь и одним кулачком заткну ротик, потому как язык у меня плохой. И даже надеятся не буду.
Для того, чтобы вернуть Уэса, можно его не воскрешать, просто отмотать время, с чем они как раз в 19-й и будут баловаться, эдакая заготовка на будущее, как уже сказала Васкес, так что вопрос воскрешения, скорее всего, больше не будет проблемой, но какие будут последствия у этих отмоток времени - вот в чем вопрос..
Угу... Значит, теперь мы не умираем и не воскресаем? *зловредно*, мы теперь время отматываем назад... Ну-ну... *ехидно* Что дальше, господа-баффоголики?!
И теперь все зависит от того, сколько будет телефильмов. Если один - будут разбираться с Ангелом. Если шесть - товарищи, это ж целых полсезона! Тут много чего можно придумать.
А что,(с надеждой) фильмы-это дело решенное?Эх,может,и Корди пригласят и Ангела ей отдадут...(ну,помечтать то можно,ня?)
Ага,умирать они не будут,воскресать не будут,вместо этого Иллирия будет шляться туда-сюда во времени о тматывать его вперед-назад по мере надобности.Прям Сетсуна Мейо. Ей бы еще речевку с распадьцовкой...
Ну во-первых. Джос Садист и пи пи пи пи(цензура) при всем уважении! Это надо было Уэсли аааа (сдерживая рыдания), Ган (я его почти любила). Так нельзя!!!! А мне кажется что Илирия должна быть с Уэсом, со Спайком это глупо.
Кстати скочки во времени не получаться по крайней мере по желанию Илирии. Ее же Уэс лишил половины силы и она уже не может скакать по времени! Так что и тут облом!
А фильмы будут? Неужели они сподобятся. И еще вопрос. если будут фильмы, то зачем закрыли сериал, филимы то тоже по 30 мин. и в чем весь смак? Не понимаю я их! Садюги!!!
О да. Да простят меня присутствующие, но единственное, за что я готова буду оторвать Джоссу ноги, руки и голову, при всем моем пламенном уважении и восхищении к нему, - так это за убийство Спайка. Я с трудом пережила одно, но второе уже точно не перенесу. Под каким бы соусом оно не было подано.
---------- Every person, all the events of your life,are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you.
Хех,Спайка прикончить* поёжилась*Джос садюга, но не суицидная. Да и ДМ всё-таки контракт на 2 года, та что, если будет фильм, роль ему там обеспечена, у меня вот другой вопрос, даже офф-топ... а в фильме может быть СМГ?..
------ О, кто ты, прекрасный юноша с глазами, цвета осеннего лотоса и волосами, безнадёжно покоцанными пергидролем? (с)Коса Шивы SunnyDream
Вчера на конвенции в Кливленде ЭСХ сказал, что после "Светляка" у Ведона есть планы на "Риппера", а потом он хочет снять два фильма - об Ангеле и о Спайке. Подробности пока теряются в тумане, но, думаю, скоро появится транскрипт.
Насчет СМГ я очень сильно сомневаюсь, но кто знает? каких-то суперпредложений из мира кино у нее нет. В молодежных фильмах она сможет играть еще год-два, от силы три. А Баффи все-таки - торговая марка. В общем, особо на нее рассчитывать не стоит, но и сбрасывать со счетов - тоже не будем...
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Да простят меня присутствующие, но единственное, за что я готова буду оторвать Джоссу ноги, руки и голову, при всем моем пламенном уважении и восхищении к нему, - так это за убийство Спайка.
Дело в том, что для Ведона гибель ради спасения мира - высшая почесть, которую он может оказать персонажу. Я, например, не прощу ему Спармони. А гибель героев в мире, где их можно воскресить щелчком пальцев - да сколько угодно...
Если ты о "сцене на столе" в Ангеле - то это я простила ему довольно легко. Гораздо противнее было наблюдать их отношения в 5 сезоне Баффи.
Говоря о смерти Спайка - я имела ввиду, конечно, безусловную смерть. Как, например, он убил Тару, Аню, Джойс. Не во имя спасения мира, затыкая какую-нибудь очередную дыру своим телом. Это он уже сделал со Спайком в 7.22. Я боюсь смерти рядом с главным героем и спасителем человечества. Мне просто стало страшно, что Ведон решить расстаться со Спайком, решит, что большего, чем то, что он сделал, спася мир, сделать уже нельзя. И в финале Ангела Спайк окончательно заставит Персика осознать свои ошибки, выполнит таким образом свою миссию и умрет. Все-таки у Ведона вполне определенные отношения со смертью - у него есть смерти условные (в которые не вериться и которые можно обратить) - и безусловные (те, что должны навсегда стать горьким опытом и болезненным воспоминанием). Но это так - в порядке бреда. Потому что Спайк - это тоже в некотором роде торговая марка - слишком яркий персонаж, вызывающий "сильный общественный резонанс". И, конечно, вряд ли Ведон его убьет. Страшнее этого - только возвращение Спайка обратно в 18** года.
--------- Every person, all the events of your life,are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you.
И, конечно, вряд ли Ведон его убьет. Страшнее этого - только возвращение Спайка обратно в 18** года.
Согласна. Спайка, на данном этапе, Джосс убивать не будет. Не дурак же он в конце концов, чтобы вызвать подобным образом волну, даже не негодования, а ненависти от собственных фанатов. Просто остальных жалко. И таки да! Нозоми, полностью поддерживаю! Страшнее анельских флэш-бэков в XIX век быть уже ничего не может. Хотя... "нет предела "совершенству". И от Джосса можно ожидать любой гадости. *грустно*
Честно говоря, долгое время держалась и не читала спойлеры, но, видимо, пришел и мой черед раскинуть карты. Думаю, самым прозрачным вариантом будет открытый конец – вполне в духе Ведона. А подсказки нужно искать в предыдущих сериях – как и всегда. Шаншу не досталось никому, т.к. его просто не существует. Ангел=Анжелас – вполне вероятно. И, в конце концов – уютная психушка где-нибудь в реальном Саннидейле.
Ну, это конечно все шутки, но как бы то ни было – я не вижу четкого финала. Просто не вижу.
И, в конце концов – уютная психушка где-нибудь в реальном Саннидейле
. У нас, баффоголиков, как уже неоднократно было подмечено, случаются (практически всегда) приступы телепатии. Вер, поверь, что уже несколько раз меня посещала мысль, что с Джосса станется вообще свести оба сериала - и "Баффи" и "Ангела" - к тому, что все это было лишь параноидальным бредом некоего пациента "желтых стен". С него, *непечатно*, станется.
Ага, придут наши вампики и демоница к дракону, посмотрят на него и... пойдут титры! Додумывайте , господа, товарищи, фонаты кому как больше нравиться! И, мне кажется, что открытый конец это еще нам повезет! От Джоса можно ожидать самог неожиданного! Возьмет и измени все самый последний момент!
Геро, ну и обоина! Клас! И Спайкуше как всегда лосталось болше остальных! Эх, умеет он влипать!
First, Wesley and Lindsay are still slated to die in this episode. There has been no change to that. The death in question is Gunn's, and it's always been a bit murky as to his exact fate.
During the battle, Gunn does manage to accomplish his task, but is badly wounded. In the first draft, he was going to be on his way to meet the others, but not make it in time. At some point, this changed, and instead of making it back he would die from his wounds along the way. It seems to have now gone back to the original plan, with him collapsing in an alley, his final fate unknown.
This sounds similar to what happened with Rona in 'Chosen', where her life was hanging by a thread after the battle. It does bode well for a possible return of his character, if and when there is ever a movie or continuation of the story.
Angel and his friends prepare for their “suicide” attack on the Circle of the Black Thorn. In Angel’s office, Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, and Spike continue planning their assault on the evil members of the Circle of the Black Thorn. When Gunn suggests they ask Illyria to join them, Lorne notes they left her to watch Drogyn, and Angel tells them Drogyn is dead. Before he can explain, however, Hamilton enters and tells Angel that the Black Thorn members want to see him right away. A bit later Spike, Wes, Gunn, and Lorne return to Spike’s apartment and find Illyria unconscious. Wes revives her and she tells them Hamilton knocked her out and took Drogyn… to Angel. Lorne says he doesn’t trust Angel, but Gunn says that’s OK, as long as the Circle trusts him. Meanwhile Angel meets with the Circle, who want to make sure Angel’s own ambitions don’t sway his loyalty. They pull out a copy of the Shanshu Prophesy, and ask him to sign away his chances at ever becoming human. Realizing he has no choice, Angel jabs a pen into his vein and signs the contract in blood. Later, back at Wolfram and Hart, Harmony pumps Angel for information on what’s going on. He says he can’t involve her, but asks her to keep Hamilton occupied, and she agrees. Next Angel tells Lindsey what the group is planning, and asks for his help. Lindsey warns Angel that it’s a suicide mission, but Angel offers to let Lindsey run Wolfram and Hart if they succeed… and Lindsey accepts. A bit later Angel joins the others at Spike’s apartment, and tells them tonight is the night the Circle members will die.
Since it may be their last day alive, Angel tells his friends to spend it however they want. Lorne sings at a karaoke bar. Spike goes into a tough-looking bar… where he reads his own verse in a poetry slam. Angel meets Connor at a coffeehouse, where he’s surprised to learn Connor already knows Angel is his father. At the same time, Gunn finds his sister Anne loading donations for the poor at a local shelter. He asks what she’d do if he told her nothing will ever end the world’s problems, and when she says she’d just keep loading the truck, he pitches in to help. Meanwhile Wes tends Illyria’s head wound, and she offers to join their fight. She also asks Wes why he’s not out having one last “perfect” day, but he says it’s not possible. Understanding he wants to be with Fred, Illyria offers to pretend again to be Fred, but Wes says he doesn’t want an illusion. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Lindsey tells Eve that Angel is sending him with Lorne to take on the Sahrvin demons. Eve says she doesn’t trust Angel, but Lindsey says as long as he fights for Angel and not against him, he’ll be safe. Later the group reunites at Spike’s apartment, and Angel hands out the assassination assignments: Wes targeting Cyvus Vail; Illyria killing Izzerial; Gunn tackling Senator Brucker and her vampire aides; Spike killing the Fell brethren and rescuing the human baby they’ve been raising for sacrifice; and Angel targeting Archduke Sebassis (whom we see reclining in his bath, drinking from a goblet his demon slave fills from one of his own veins). Lorne claims he’s not really a fighter, but Angel reassures him that he’ll just provide backup for Lindsey. Then, as they continue to chat, we see Harmony in bed with Hamilton, offering to reveal Angel’s secret plan.
Angel tells his friends to gather in a nearby alley after their jobs are completed. Lorne says it’s time for him to move on, so he won’t be there. As everyone moves out, Spike asks Angel if the Shanshu prophecy will come true and one of them will become human after this. Angel says neither of them will survive, so it doesn’t matter. A bit later Wes arrives at Cyvus Vail’s palace, and as he talks to Vail, conjures a ball of energy in his hand. At the same time, Spike sneaks into the Fell sanctuary, where he hears a baby crying. Angel returns to his office and retrieves a weapon, but then Hamilton enters and asks if Angel’s going to use the weapon on Sebassis. Angel swings at Hamilton, but he strikes back, knocking Angel out a window. Angel crashes back in through a skylight, right in front of Harmony, who immediately tries to convince Angel that she didn’t betray him. He knows better, and fires her. As she leaves, Hamilton reappears and they resume their battle.
As they fight, Hamilton asks if Angel really thought he could kill Sebassis. Angel says he already has. Then we see Sebassis realizing his drink tastes strange… and looking over to see his demon, whose blood he’s drinking, is already dead. Finally a flashback shows Angel, at the earlier Black Thorn gathering, push the demon away with a poisoned spike on his finger. In the present Sebassis realizes he’s been poisoned, and dies… and Angel and Hamilton resume their fight. Meanwhile Spike rescues the baby and fights off the Fell demons. Wes fires his energy ball at Vail, but Vail just scoffs. Meanwhile Lindsey hacks his way into the back room at a demon bar, and Illyria blocks the street in front of Izzy’s limousine. At Wolfram and Hart, Connor steps in to join Angel’s fight against Hamilton. Back on the street Illyria walks away from the now-bashed and bloody limo, while Gunn arrives at Senator Brucker’s office, buries a hatchet in her head, and dusts her vampires. Back at the bar Lindsey washes blood off his hands and thanks Lorne for his help. Lorne says he still doesn’t trust Lindsey, and pulls out a gun and shoots him. Lindsey has just enough time to say how indignant he is that he’s been killed by a flunky (and not by Angel himself)… and then he dies. Meanwhile Vail slams a dagger into Wes’ gut. Wes uses his last bit of strength to toss Vail across the room. Illyria arrives and holds Wes, realizing he’s dying. She ask if he’d like her to lie to him now, and he says yes… so she pretends to be Fred, saying she loves him and it won’t be long until they can be together. She kisses him, and he dies. Then Vail returns, inviting Illyria to take her best shot. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Hamilton goes after Connor, and Angel vamps and bites Hamilton. Then, as the fight continues, Angel finally snaps Hamilton’s neck. As he does, however, the building starts to shake with the Senior Partners’ wrath. Angel convinces Connor to run, then rescues Eve from a nearby office and tells her Lindsey isn’t coming back. Later Angel arrives at the alley rendezvous. Spike is already there and Gunn arrives a moment later, bloodied from his battles. As he asks about Wes, Illyria arrives, saying Wes is dead. Then there’s a thunderclap and an army of monsters closes in while a dragon circles above. Despite his wounds, Gunn wants to fight. Spike asks Angel what his plan is, and Angel says he wants to slay the dragon. Then the demons charge, and he swings into battle.
Мысли по поводу: 1. Откуда она взяла, что Энн - сестра Ганна?? Если мне не изменяет память, так его сестра Алана умерла еще в War Zone... Хм...
2. Лорна они таки не убили, с Ганном тоже непонятно - уже что-то хорошо
3. Ангелу я все равно не верю до конца, что хотите, то со мной и делайте
4. Спайк будет читать стихи??? Если да, то их точно писал Ведон )
В кабинете Ангела "великолепная пятерка" продолжает планировать сражение с членами Круга Черного Шипа. Ганн говорит, что Иллирия могла бы к ним присоединиться, Лорн вспоминает, что они оставили ее на попечении Дрогина. Ангел отвечает, что Дрогин мертв. Прежде чем он успевает что-либо объяснить, входит Хэмилтон и говорит Ангелу, что члены Круга срочно хотят его видеть. Чуть позже Спайк, Уэс, Ганн и Лорн возвращаются в квартиру Спайка и обнаруживают Иллирию без сознания. Уэс помогает ей прийти в себя, и она говорит, что Хэмилтон победил ее и забрал Дрогина... к Ангелу. Лорн говорит, что больше не доверяет Ангелу, но Ганн говорит, что все в порядке, пока Круг доверяет Ангелу. Ангел встречается с членами Круга, которые хотят, чтобы его личные амбиции не повлияли на его лояльность. Они достают экземпляр пророчества шаншу и требуют, чтобы он подписал документ, по которому он добровольно отказывается от шаншу. Понимая, что у него нет выбора, Ангел протыкает пером вену и подписывает контракт своей кровью. В ВиХ Хармони пытается вытянуть из Ангела информацию о происходящем. Он говорит, что не может привлекать ее к этому, но просит сделать так, чтобы Хэмилтон в ближайшее время был занят. Она соглашается. Ангел рассказывает Линдси о том, что они планируют, и просит у него помощи. Линдси предупреждает Ангела, что это чистое самоубийство. Ангел предлагает Линдси стать во главе ВиХ в том случае, если их миссия увенчается успехом, и Линдси соглашается. Ангел встречается с остальными в квартире Спайка и говорит, что сегодня ночью члены Круга должны погибнуть. Поскольку это, скорее всего, их последний день жизни, все проводят его, как им нравится. Лорн поет в баре-караоке. Спайк идет в бар, где читает свои стихи на поэтическом состязании [poetry slam - может быть, кто-нибудь может точнее сформулировать этот термин?]. Ангел встречается с Коннором в кофейне и с удивлением понимает, что Коннор знает, что он его отец. Ганн находит свою сестру Анну [? - может быть, источник Пандоры не в курсе, что Анна ему не сестра], которая грузит в грузовик пожертвования для бедняков. Он спрашивает, что бы она сделала, если бы узнала, что все ее дела не решат мировых проблем. Она отвечает, что она продолжила бы грузить вещи в грузовик. Ганн предлагает помочь. Уэс обрабатывает рану Иллирии, она предлагает остаться с ними и помочь в сражении. Она также спрашивает Уэса, почему он не воспользовался возможностью провести "идеальный день". Он отвечает, что это невозможно. Иллирия понимает, что он хотел бы провести этот день с Фред, и предлагает снова притвориться, будто она Фред, но Уэс говорит, что не хочет иллюзии. В ВиХ Линдси говорит Еве, что Ангел посылает его и Лорна сражаться с демонами Сахрвин. Ева говорит, что не доверяет Ангелу, но Линдси отвечает, что пока он сражается на стороне Ангела, а не против него, он в безопасности. Группа снова встречается в квартире Спайка, и Ангел раздает задания: Уэс должен убрать Сайвуса Вейла; Иллирия - демона Иззи; Ганн должен расправиться с сенатором Бракнер и ее помощниками-вампирами; Спайк должен убить демонов Братства Лютых и спасти ребенка, которого они предназначили для жертвоприношения. Сам Ангел должен уничтожить эрцгерцога Себассиса (которого мы мельком видим в душе: он пьет из кубка, который его раб наполнил из собственных вен). Лорн говорит, что из него плохой боец, но Ангел говорит, что он будет только помогать Линдси. Хармони в постели с Хэмилтоном; она спрашивает его, не хочет ли он узнать о тайных планах Ангела. Ангел говорит остальным, что по завершении своих миссий они должны собраться в переулке неподалеку. Лорн говорит, что для него пришло время заняться чем-нибудь другим, и что он не вернется. Перед уходом Спайк спрашивает Ангела, осуществится ли пророчество шаншу после того как все это закончится. Ангел отвечает, что они оба погибнут, поэтому это не имеет значения. Уэс приходит во дворец Вейла, разговаривает с ним и создает в руке клубок энергии. Спайк проникает в убежище Братства Лютых и слышит плач ребенка. Ангел возвращается к себе, берет оружие, но в этот момент входит Хэмилтон и спрашивает, не собирается ли он использовать это оружие против Себассиса. Ангел нападает на Хэмилтона, тот наносит ответный удар и вышвыривает Ангела из окна в коридор ВиХ. Ангел приземляется прямо у ног Хармони, которая тут же начинает убеждать Ангела, что она его не предавала. Ангел говорит ей, что она уволена, Хармони поспешно ретируется, появляется Хэмилтон, драка продолжается. Хэмилтон спрашивает, неужели Ангел действительно рассчитывает убить Себассиса. Ангел говорит, что он его уже убил. Мы видим Себассиса, который осознает, что его "питье" имеет странный привкус, и обнаруживает, что демон, чью кровь он пил, уже мертв. Флэшбек показывает, как во время предыдущего собрания членов Круга Ангел сталкивается с демоном и вонзает отравленный шип ему в палец. ... Себассис осознает, что его отравили, и умирает. Ангел и Хэмилтон продолжают сражаться. Спайк спасает ребенка от демонов Братства Лютых. Уэс выпускает клубок энергии в Вейла, но тому хоть бы что. Линдси пробивается в заднюю дверь демонского бара, а Иллирия блокирует улицу перед лимузином Иззи. В ВиХ Коннор присоединяется к сражению Ангела и Хэмилтона. На улице Иллирия уходит прочь от покореженного и окровавленного лимузина. Ганн прибывает в офис сенатора Бракнер, распыляет ее вампиров и всаживает ей в голову топорик. В баре Линдси смывает кровь с рук и благодарит Лорна за помощь. Лорн говорит, что по-прежнему не доверяет Линдси, вынимает пистолет и стреляет в него. Линдси успевает сказать, что это очень обидно - что его убил на сам Ангел, а его приспешник - после чего умирает. Вейл всаживает в Уэса кинжал. Уэс использует последние силы, чтобы отбросить Вейла в другой конец комнаты. Появляется Иллирия, она обнимает Уэса и понимает, что он умирает. Она спрашивает, хочет ли он, чтобы она солгала ему, и он говорит "да". Иллирия превращается в Фред, говорит, что любит его, что скоро они будут вместе. Она целует его, и он умирает. Возвращается Вейл, который предлагает Иллирии лучшую возможность в ее жизни (to take her best shot). В ВиХ Хэмилтон нападает на Коннора, и тогда Ангел вампиризируется и кусает Хэмилтона. Драка продолжается, и Ангел сворачивает Хэмилтону шею. В этот момент здание начинает содрогаться от гнева СП. Ангел убеждает Коннора бежать, потом спасет Еву в соседнем офисе и говорит, что Линдси не вернется. (?) Ангел прибывает на место встречи в переулке. Спайк уже там, секундой позже появляется Ганн, оба они в крови. Они спрашивают про Уэса. Появляется Иллирия и говорит, что Уэс умер. Удар грома - и они видят армию монстров, над которой кругами летает дракон. Ганн готов сражаться, несмотря на раны. Спайк спрашивает Ангела, какой у него план, Ангел отвечает, что он хочет сразиться с драконом. Демоны нападают, и он бросается в бой.
Геро: 1. Откуда она взяла, что Энн - сестра Ганна?? Если мне не изменяет память, так его сестра Алана умерла еще в War Zone... Хм...
Насколько я знаю, источник Пандоры - не большой специалист в Джоссверсе. У афро-американцев принято называть друг друга brother \ sister. Товарищ увидел что-нибудь в этом роде и решил, что они родственники.
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2. Лорна они таки не убили, с Ганном тоже непонятно - уже что-то хорошо
Лорна вроде бы с самого начала убивать не собирались. Полагаю, что Джосс хотел в 6 сезоне перевести его из постоянного состава обратно в recurring.
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3. Ангелу я все равно не верю до конца, что хотите, то со мной и делайте
Меня очень смутили его слова, обращенные к Еве - что Линдси не вернется. Значит, он знал, что Лорн его убьет? Непонятный момент. Вообще непонятно, почему Лорн убивает Линдси. Может быть, он запел в его присутствии, и Лорн вычислил его "нехорошесть"? Еще раз напоминаю, что источник Пандоры не знает многих нюансов Джоссверса и мог легко пропустить ремарку вроде "Линдси смысвает кровь с рук, и что-то мурлычет себе под нос" (к примеру).
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4. Спайк будет читать стихи??? Если да, то их точно писал Ведон
В LMPTM их точно писал Дрю Годдард. А вот в FFL - трудно сказать, писал ли Петри или лично Великий и Ужасный. Хотелось бы, конечно, чтобы в финале их писал Ведон.
И еще меня ужасно заинтриговал финал арки Уэс\Иллирия: специалист по изменению памяти приглашает Илли to take her best shot. Одному Ведону известно, что под этим имеется в виду.
И, конечно же, теперь понятно, почему Великий и Лукавый пригласил жену ДБ. Думаю, уже сегодня слэшеры начали писать первые фики о том, как Спайк с Ангелом будут воспитывать дитя, отбитое у демонов...
Насколько я помню наши первые спойлеры, то по ним Лорн убивал Линдси, а потом застреливался сам, причем там явно было понятно, что Лорн отдал приказ убить Линдси лично Ангел, потому, собственно, Пэрсик и мог прекрасно знать, что Линдси не вернется.. Зачем убивать Линдси? Вот нюанс с песней - это было бы интересно...
Ангел, Ангел, Ангел... Нэ верю! Весь сезон мы шли к этому "великому падению" и что?
Ганн и Энн - да, возможно, что так и было, правда, я не помню, называл ли Ганн когда-то Энн сестрой.. хм..
А вот по поводук Вейла и Фрилли - очень интересно, он мог обменять свою жизнь на жизнь Уэса, потому как, если честно, более интересной темы, чем Уэс/Иллирия я на сегодняшний момент тоже не вижу (кроме Спайка), а Фрилли явно неровно длышит к Наблюдателю-младшему - остатки ли это Фред или же она сама - тоже большой вопрос...
Между прочим, Ангел пошел по пути наименьшего сопротивления - отравить раба - это, простите, не Братство Лютых перебить...
У меня какое то странное состояние после почтения... С одной стороны,офигеж полный! Лорни стреляет в Линдси. Уэсли погибает. Драконы еще какие-то появляются.... С другой-какое-то муторное ощущение дежа ву.Потому как напоминает конец 5 сезона Бафстера.Там Джайлз прикончил Бена,появился дракон и погибла Баффи.(Не то чтоб Уэс на нее сильно похож,но... ) А заодно вспоминается все.что было ПОСЛЕ 5 сезона... Ухожу хмурствовать...и впервые рада,что Кор там нет...
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Думаю, уже сегодня слэшеры начали писать первые фики о том, как Спайк с Ангелом будут воспитывать дитя, отбитое у демонов...
(бормочу в сторонку):-А не слишком ли много уже ребеночков,а? (уползаю,прикрываясь бронебойным тазиком)
We begin with a "Previously" which recaps the last scene in Power Play -- Angel plans to kill every member of the Circle of the Black Thorn, which will bring down the Senior Partners' wrath, and he needs everyone's help, if they want to give it, because it's a suicide mission.
TEASER
Everyone's hand is in the air, Angel raises his. "So, we're agreed?" "Yeah," says Spike, "We're one big happy Manson family." Angel explains that they have to take them out one by one, because there's no way they could go up against the entire Circle at once. Gunn suggests bringing Illyria in, but Angel doesn't trust her. Lorne says not to worry about that, she was happy enough to babysit Drogyn for them -- wait, she was with Drogyn? Drogyn who Angel just had to kill to prove his loyalty to the Circle of the Black Thorn? But before he can get another word out, Angel suddenly punches Spike in the face.
Offscreen, we hear Hamilton, "Sorry, didn't know you were in conference." "Just making a closing statement," says Angel, in complete control. He "finishes" by telling Wes that Illyria is his responsibility, and make sure she doesn't get twitchy. He dismisses them. Hamilton tells Angel that he has a problem, no, not with his employees, with his new friends. And no, it can't wait.
The gang arrives at Spike's place to find it a wreck, Illyria on the floor in a heap, and the Crash Bandicoot music still playing from the TV. Illyria doesn't look alive. Gunn suggests checking her pulse, then pauses, "Is she supposed to have a pulse?" She revives, weakly, and is able to tell them that Hamilton took Drogyn. Lorne starts getting paranoid again, asking how can they still trust Angel, how can they now know what's next? Gunn says they don't have to trust Angel, they just have to be confident the Circle does.
Meanwhile, in the Circle's headquarters, a dark spoooooky opening ritual is going on. When it finishes, the Archduke begins to frankly tell Angel that his people are a problem, that Angel needs to control them better, especially Wes, who they percieve as a threat. ("He seems....talented. And intriguingly unstable.") But, continues the Archduke, that's really not the problem. Vail cries out -- the Pee Pee Demon is tangled in his tubes again. Angel grabs the Pee Pee Demon and shoves him at the Duke. Anyway, continues the Duke, the problem is this, pulling out a parchment scroll. "That's the Shanshu Prophecy," says Angel. "The original," says the Duke. What the Circle needs him to do is sign away, in blood, any chance that Angel will ever earn his humanity. (Which, editorially, is all very well and compelling, but if we've learned anything from this show, isn't it that that sort of thing never works? The Father Will Kill The Son, anyone? The son of the vampire with a soul will kill Sahjhan? But anyway.) Angel says that it doesn't bother him in the least, he has no desire to be human anyway. Izzy slams a pen down on the table, through Angel's hand, and Angel signs.
Back at his office, Angel is talking to Harmony. Seemingly out of nowhere, he asks her if she ever misses being human, having only been turned 5 years ago and all. She thinks about it and says, not really...though the way her heart beat when she kissed a really hot boy for the first time was pretty cool. Angel says he can't remember what being human was like at all, it was just too long ago. (Really? Even IWRY?) At this point, Harmony gets a clue and says she knows something's going down, and she wants to be a part of it. Angel gives her the task of distracting Hamilton while he goes and does "One last thing I don't want to."
In a W&H conference room, Lindsey tells Angel, "You have to be joking." "I'm not known for my jokes," says Angel, "Mostly I think that's 'cause people don't get me." Angel then goes on to say that it's not about Lindsey trusting Angel, it's about the Wolf, Ram and Hart (the firm's Earthly name appears to be a thing of the past), "the ones we've been fighting against forever." Lindsey tells Angel he can't beat them, and Angel says they're not there to be beaten, they're there to be fought. Hoping nobody remembers BtVS S7, Angel says "Maybe the Senior Partners are what evil really is. Intangible. Incorporeal. In us. And maybe fighting them is what makes human beings so remarkably strong." Lindsey starts to argue that this fight isn't about the kind of strength that humans have to resist the evil within them, it's about fighting incredibly powerful demons hand-to-hand. But Angel can't stop thinking about how once, this world belonged to demons, and now, it doesn't. He asks Lindsey to spare him the Hell on Earth speech, he knows how much sway demons hold in this world. Hell, he's "the greatest mass murderer you ever met." "And I've never given you props for that," replies Lindsey. Anyway, Angel says, it's mostly that Lindsey's strong, and Angel wants him on his side. He also wants Lindsey to take over the firm for him when they're done taking it apart, if they win. "Suppose you come up snake eyes?" asks Lindsey. "You'll talk your way out of it," says Angel, "Tell 'em I forced you to help me. Tell 'em I made my scary face." "Believe it or not," says Lindsey, "I was actually asking about you. You don't care about being squished like a bitty bug?" "You haven't heard a word I've said," says Angel, "From like, years back." "You get speechy, I breeze out. I get the cliff nots: honor humanity, absolute good." But here's the twist, he's in. Angel asks why. Lindsey says that all anyone ever talks about is Angel's soul, but nobody ever mentions the fact "that what you really are is a vampire with huge brass testes!" This is a HUGE fight, and Lindsey's not going to be left out of it. So he's on the team. "I want you, Lindsey," says Angel. "...I'm thinking about rephrasing that." "I'd be more comfortable," replies Lindsey.
Back at Spike's apartment, Wes is still nursing Illyria. He tells Gunn that he needs supplies from home, and Lorne asks what they'll do if Hamilton shows up again. "Hamilton did this?" asks Angel, stepping in. He gets the whole story, and Gunn asks what's going to happen if the Circle needs any more proof of his loyalty. Angel says that's not going to happen, because "we're killing them all tonight."
ACT TWO
In Spike's apartment, Angel tells them all to take the day doing whatever they want, because it will probably be their last day alive. Cut to a montage of...
Lorne, in front of a microphone, sings his heart out at a karaoke bar.
Angel, in a coffee shop, sits and waits. He looks up, says "Hi," and we pull back to reveal Connor, who sits down across from him.
In a pub, Spike slams an empty shot glass onto the counter. The bartender warns him that it can get pretty ugly in there, but Spike says that's what he's looking for. "Your funeral," says the bartender. "Well," says Spike, "I never did have a proper one."
Outside the shelter, Anne is loading furniture and boxes into a truck. Gunn walks up, makes small talk, and asks her what she'd be doing if she knew none of it mattered, if she knew that everything was controlled by forces more powerful and uncaring than human beings can concieve, and it will never, ever, ever get any better. "I'd get this truck packed before the new stuff gets here," she says. "You wanna give me a hand?" Gunn does.
In Spike's apartment, Wes is tending to Illyria. "I do not understand," she says. Well, this will help you heal faster, he explains, if you really do intend to help us in this fight. "I will fight," she says, "I have been broken and humiliated and I will return in kind every blow, every sting. I will shred my adversaries. Pull their eyes out just enough to turn them towards their mewing, mutilated faces." "You're a very inspirational person, have I mentioned that?" says Wes. But seriously, says Illyria, Angel told you to do whatever you wanted today, and here you are with me, why? "Didn't I go off and have one last perfect day? Smell the flowers, or skydive, or have a go with Mistress Spanksalot or whatever the hell one's supposed to do in these situations?" "Mistress who?" "There is no perfect day for me, Illyria. There is no sunset, or painting, or finely aged scotch that's going to sum up my life and make tonight any...there's nothing I want." Illyria says he wants to be with Fred, and he agrees, yes, if he could, that's how he'd be spending his last day. Illyria offers to be Fred for him, but he says no, one of the first things he learned at the Watcher's Academy was to separate truth and illusion, and so he'll live with the truth, however miserable it may be. Illyria looks at him and says "You are... not an inspirational person like me." No, says Wes, I guess I'm not. They look at each other.
Spike, now sufficiently drunk, is onstage at the same pub, with a microphone. The sign on the wall says "McTarnan's Poetry Slam." Spike slams. "Midnight descends in raven-colour'd clothes / But soft -- behold! -- a sunlight beam / cutting a swath of glimmering gleam / My heart expands -- 'tis grown a bulge in't / Inspired by your beauty...effulgent." There is a pause, and then wild applause breaks out, with stomping and cheering and whistling. "That was brave!" someone yells from the back. "Thank you!" says Spike, "That was for Cecily! All right, this next one is called The Wanton Folly of Me Mum...."
Angel and Connor are still in the coffee shop, talking. Angel's been telling him about Nina, and Connor asks if it's the wolf thing, "There's some full moon love, am I right? Fur flying..." "There's no fur!" says Angel, "I would never...fur..." "So," says Connor, "Vampires really don't understand the concept of 'jokes.'" Angel is slightly miffed. "I understand jokes," he says, "I was at the first taping of The Carol Burnett Show." Changing the subject, Connor says "I know you're my father." This catches Angel off-guard. "You got your memories back," he says. Connor nods. "They're mixed in there with the new ones. It's more like a...bad dream I had, I guess. A really strange, violent...at times, inappropriately erotic dream." Angel says he must have so many questions, but Connor cuts him off, saying he doesn't want to make a thing. "I get what you did. You know, I'm grateful and that's as far as I wanna take it. Okay?" Okay. (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Sorry, Connor fangirl moment. But isn't he just the best ever? I. Love. Him. So. Much. But I digress.) Angel asks Connor what he's working on, and Connor says he's putting together his resume so he can apply for internships over the summer. Angel offers to help, and Connor asks if he's ever written a resume, ever. No, says Angel, "But I have very nice handwriting." "You girl," scoffs Connor. "Hey," says Angel as we slowly pull back on the tableau of father and son, "Good penmanship used to be a sign of masculinity." "When," asks Connor, "Like, in the eighteenth century?" "The latter half," says Angel.
In a W&H office, Eve and Lindsey are making out. Eve seems distracted, and Lindsey asks what's on her mind. "Angel," she says. "There simply could not be a worse answer than that," says Lindsey. No really, says Eve, you know what I mean. "I do," says Lindsey. "It's nice to know you're one of the few things in my life Angel never did get his mitts on." "Yeah, it's nice," says Eve, quickly, "But we should really talk about his plan." Blah blah Eve is worried, Lindsey isn't, but Eve is going to stay away from the fight. Good, good, thinks the audience, keep her far, far offscreen.
The perfect day is over. We're back in Spike's apartment, the entire gang gathered for Angel's Last Big Speech. "This may come out a little pretentious," he begins, "But one of you will betray me." Spike's hand shoots up. Angel continues, giving each of them their assignments. Wesley will take Vail, since he's the sorcerer of the bunch, and already suspects that Wes will try to make a play for Angel's position, which will get him inside Vail's house. Illyria will be taking out Izzy and three other members, who dine together almost every night. "I'll make trophies of their spines," she says. Gunn will take out Senator Brucker and her vampire guards. Gunn is glad, he misses the old vamp-killing days. Spike, before Angel can say anything to him, says "First off, I'm not wearing any amulets. No bracelets, broaches, beads, pendants, pins, or rings." Angel says that's fine, all he'll need is a rattle. His assignment is to rescue the baby, and kill all of the Fell Brethren. Angel will be taking the Archduke of Sebassis for himself. Lorne's assignment is just to back up Lindsey. Lorne isn't happy at all. He doesn't trust Lindsey, and doesn't want to be a part of this. But Angel says that Lindsey is on their team now.
Meanwhile, in Harmony's bedroom, she's sipping blood from a glass as they cuddle. "Anyway," she says, "About Angel's secret plan..."
ACT THREE
Angel has finished explaining the plan -- they won't be coming back to the offices at all. Whoever survives will meet in the alley behind the Hyperion when it's over. Lorne says he'll do this one last thing, but he won't be at the Hyperion. He's out, leaving, and they shouldn't try to look for him. Illyria tells Gunn "Try not to die. You are not unpleasant to my eyes." Gunn returns the compliment, shakes her hand, and heads out the door. Wes and Angel look at each other and have a moment. Wes leaves, followed by Illyria. Left alone with Angel, Spike asks him what he thinks about the Shanshu thing -- could this be the big moment when one of them becomes a real boy? "Who are you kidding?" says Angel, "We're not gonna make it through." Spike takes that in, nods, and says, "Well...long as it's not you."
Vail is eating dinner in his mansion. Across the table, Wesley is explaining why he came to Vail, while slowly casting a spell under the table. A ball of light begins to form...
In the sanctuary of the Fell Brethren, we hear a baby crying, and a line of Brethren walking down a corridor. The last one in the line looks around -- it's Spike.
Angel, heading for the elevator, tells Harmony one last time to keep Hamilton busy, which she's happy to do. Angel stops at the Wall O' Weaponry and picks up a big sword ("intricately carved, oddly shaped, not your everyday sword" -- well, at least they didn't call it a scythe). He turns around to see Hamilton standing there. They speak, then fight. Hamilton throws Angel through the glass window and into the lobby. "Oh my God!" shrieks Harmony, "He's not my boyfriend! I mean I certainly didn't betray you!" Angel tells her to drop the act, he always knew she'd turn on him, it's what she does. Harmony says she might have been able to be more loyal if he'd had any confidence in her. Angel says no, it's because she has no soul. "I would if you had confidence in me," she says. Angel tells her get out of the building, she's fired. She asks if she can at least have a letter of reccomendation and he says yes, it's already in her desk. She wishes both Angel and Hamilton good luck, and scampers off. The fight resumes, complete with manly banter. The banter turns to taunting as Hamilton is obviously winning this fight. "Did you really think you could kill the Archduke Sebassis?" he asks. "No," says Angel, "I think I already did." We flash to Sebassis in the bathtub, a glass off blue blood on the side. He takes a sip, shudders, and dies just in time to see the Pee Pee Demon dead in the corner, frothing at the mouth. We quickly flash back to earlier, at the Circle meeting, and this time, see Angel stab the Pee Pee Demon with a spiked ring as he shoves him towards Sebassis. Back to the present moment, Angel says to Hamilton," I figured *you* were the one I needed to be alone with." "So I could kill you?" asks Hamilton. "Well," says Angel, "I thought the fight would be going a little better."
In the Fell Brethren sanctuary, Spike lifts the baby out of its bassinet. He is quickly surrounded by angry Brethren, who he plunges into battle with, still holding the baby. (Please please please let this look less stupid than the fighting-with-baby did in Dad.)
Wesley continues to talk as the ball of light is still forming under the table. He hurls the ball at Vail, who is thrown against the wall. Vail starts to laugh, rips his tubes out, stands, and says "You don't know who you're dealing with, do you, boy? I mean, really. I crap better magic than this." He flicks his fingers, and Wes goes flying.
In a demon bar, two figures crash through the door. Lindsey strides in casually, sword at his hips. He starts swinging...
Izzy and three human members of the Circle are getting into a black Towncar. The headlights go on, illuminating Illyria, standing in front of the car, waiting for them.
Angel and Hamilton continue to fight. The lobby has at this point been nearly destroyed -- walls coming down, Harm's desk split in two, etc. "You know, the blue chick hit a lot harder," says Hamilton. Hamilton then asks why Angel keeps fighting, since he's signed away his Shanshu. "The people who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do," says Angel. "Yeah," says Hamilton, "But we won't care!" A fist connect with Hamilton's jaw, sending him crashing back into Angel's office. "Care about THAT, Dress-for-Less?" says Connor. (YAY! CONNOR!) Angel asks Connor what the hell he's doing here. "Come on," Connor says, "You drop by for a cup of coffee and the world's NOT ending? Please." (Editorial note, remember when Willow tore Angel a new one about Buffy, all those years back? "Two hundred years old and you don't have time for coffee?" she said. And now he does have time for coffee! With Connor! </fangirl> Wait, that tag doesn't close.)
Izzy's Towncar is in pieces. There are body parts and body fluids everywhere. Illyria walks away.
Senator Brucker is in her office, on the phone. Far behind her, we see Gunn approaching, taking out vampire guards as he goes. As he gets closer, we get some old-school Gunn vamp-killing action. Oh, yeah.
At W&H, in a shot that could easily be cut if they needed the time, Eve paces, nervously.
At the demon bar, Lorne is gingerly walking over body parts towards the bar as Lindsey washes his hands in the sink. Lorne compliments Lindsey on his swordsmanship, and Lindsey thanks Lorne for his help. "Couldn't have done it without the high note in Macarthur Park." Lindsey wonders how the rest of the team is doing, and then muses on how odd it is to be saying "team." He kind of likes the feeling. (Awwwwwwwww...) Lorne says he's leaving, it's not his line of work anymore, and it isn't Lindsey's either. Lindsey asks why Lorne still doesn't trust him, and offers to sing for him. "I've heard you sing," says Lorne, as he pulls out a pistol and shoots Lindsey in the chest. Lindsey staggers back, shocked. "You're not part of the solution, Lindsey," says Lorne, "You never will be." Lindsey is furious. "YOU killed me? You don't kill me! Angel kills me! A flunky! I'm not some...Angel kills me...Angel..." And with Angel's name the last word on his lips, he dies. Lorne drops the gun and walks out.
At Vail's, Wes isn't in good shape. Through the pain, he says "Then I'll just have to do this the old fashioned way..." and his wrist-knife thingy slides out, and he stabs at Vail. But Vail's not there anymore -- he's already on the other side of the room, holding a large curved dagger. "I suppose we will," says Vail, and he slams the blade into Wes' stomach. With his last bit of strength, Wes summons one more energy ball, and explodes it, sending Vail flying. Vail goes down, and doesn't get up. Wes clutches his stomach, blood flowing through his fingers, as Illyria enters. "I killed all of mine," she says, "And I was..." "Concerned?" Wesley finishes for her. "I think so," she says, "But I can't help. You'll be dead within minutes." Wes knows. Illyria touches his face and asks, "Would you like me to lie to you now?" Wes smiles. "Yes," he says. "Thank you, yes." Another hand touches Wes' face, this time, it's Fred's. "Hello there," he says. "Wesley..my Wesley..." she says. "I've missed you," he says. She kisses him, softly, kisses his forehead, and whispers, "It's gonna be okay...it won't hurt much longer. And then you'll be where I am...we'll be together." She is beginning to cry, looking at him. "I love you," he says. "I love you...shhh...my love...oh, my love...." She lays him down. He his dead.
Vail is standing behind her. "How very touching his meaningless death was," he says. "But this fight was never for mortals. Take your best shot, little girl." Fred stands up, slowly, eyes narrowed. She pulls her first back, and (in extreme slow-motion), she changes back to Illyria as the punch lands on Vail's face. She hits him so hard his head explodes.
[That scene? Makes me cry just reading it.]
Meanwhile, Hamilton is still winning, even against both Angel and Connor. He smacks Connor across the room, taking him out of the fight. "Let me say this as clearly as I can," Hamilton says, "You. Can. Not. Beat. Me. I'm part of them. The Wolf, Ram, and Hart. Their strength flows through my veins. My blood is filled with their ancient power." Angel freezes, suddenly calm. "Can you pick out the one word there you probably shouldn't have said?" He goes into gameface and lunges at Hamilton, sinking his fangs into his neck. Hamilton can't throw him off until Angel is finished drinking. He stands up, in human face again, and says "Wow. You really are full of it." (You know the moment in The Princess Bride where Inigo and The Man In Black have finally both switched to their right hands? This is that moment.) The battle is now met. Hamilton continues to taunt, saying "You don't think you're gonna win this, do you? You don't have a chance. We are legion. We are forever." Angel pummels him, dropping Hamilton to his knees, and says, in-between blows (er -- punches), "Then I guess...foever...just...got..A HELL..OF A LOT...SHORTER!" He cracks him one last good one in the jaw, and then snaps Hamilton's neck. "Is he dead?" asks Connor. Yes, says Angel, he's dead. The building starts to shake, and Connor knows that's not good. "Wolfram and Hart," says Angel. "Looks like they're taking the gloves off." He tells Connor to go home, this is his fight. Connor starts to argue, but as he tries to step forward, he doubles over with pain. "You have to go home now," says Angel. "They'll destroy you," says Connor. "As long as you're okay," says Angel, "they can't."
(YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!)
Connor leaves.
Angel is walking through the crumbling W&H building. He encounters Eve, who asks what's going on, and where the hell is Lindsey? "He's not coming for you," says Angel. "It's time to go." They leave.
Angel is the first to arrive in the alley. Spike is right behind him, now baby-free. Gunn walks up next, just barely alive. He's not surprised that Spike and Angel survived their fights, but he himself is obviously in really, really bad shape. Illyria drops into frame (from a rooftop), and says "Wesley is dead." As Spike, Angel, and Gunn take this in, she continues, "I am feeling grief for him. I don't seem to be able to control it. I wish to do more violence."
A thunderclap, and the sound of marching. Various other spooky scary sounds indicate that the SP's are as pissed off as Angel thought they would be. They all look up to see the monster army marching towards them in the sky, including (yes) a dragon circling. "Okay," says Gunn, "you take the 30,000 on the left..." "You are fading," says Illyria, "You'll last ten minutes." "Let's make 'em memorable," says Gunn.
"In terms of a plan?" asks Spike.
"We fight," says Angel.
"Bit more specific?"
"Well, personally...I kinda wanna slay the dragon."
There is a tremendous roar as the horde of horribles charge.
Close on Angel, sword in hand.
"Let's go to work."
Something comes into frame, and he swings the sword down, teeth gritted, the battle engaged.
конец, чем "Мы спасли мир, теперь - по магазинам".
Очень логично и в плане эмоций - если людям в "Баффи" было наплевать на смерть тех, кому они признавались в любви, то почему бы Илирии не печалиться о гибели Уэсли: она-то ведь бездушная.
Господа, я что-то не понимаю, почему все видят финал в таком мрачном свете. По-моему, Ведон создал полигон для тысяч и тысяч фиков.
Во-первых, сбылась мокрая мечта слэшеров. Спайк: "Angel and I have never been intimate. Except that one---". На что слэшеры отвечают: one hundred years of really great fornication!
Во-вторых, никаких гор трупов, посыпанных вампирской пылью, не наблюдается. Все чинно и мило. Рыцари круглого стола идут сражаться с драконом. Ну подумаешь! Не в первый и не в последний раз!
В третьих, Уэс. На Cold Dead Seed я уже предложила рыдающим по Уэсу фанам идею фика, с удовольствием разовью здесь (а то по-английски особо не распишешься, над каждым вторым словом думаешь).
Отступая от превосходящих сил противника, Банда Клыка с помощью Иллирии переносится в другое измерение. Как вернуться обратно - не знают, и решают действовать методом тыка. Попадают во всякие забавные местечки, а потом их заносит в измерение Normal Again, где они встречают Фред и Уэса. Оба абсолютно счастливы, и возникает дилемма: возвращаться или не возвращаться. Они борцы со злом, и хотят быть вместе с товарищами. Но Спайк объясняет им, какой вернулась в свое время Баффи, и советует счастливым любовникам жить в раю в свое удовольствие. Они колеблются, но в игру вступает Иллирия. Она говорит, что ей необходимо чуткое руководство Уэса, что она чувствует себя потерянной и постоянно испытывает тягу к насилию. Ему ничего не остается как согласиться на возвращение. После чего Иллирия легко создает портал, который переносит их в ЛА. Настолько легко, что у всех возникает подозрение, что она нарочно прыгала по измерениям, чтобы найти Уэса. Вот так и начинается любовный треугольник Иллирия-Уэс-Фред... Ну, девушки? Кто-нибудь хочет написать такой фик?
И я Я уже давно сказала, что меня вполне устраивает открытый финал, тем более такой - со множеством лазеек, тем, которые можно раскручивать и раскручивать ) Васкес, отличная идея, я тут тоже об Уэсе раздумывала, только я бы все же делала пару Уэс/Иллирия без Фред, Фред там лишняя, как показывает практика )
Э-э-э... а какой конфликт для развития сюжета? Борьба Уэса с врожденным антропоцентризмом? Слишком рационально. Преодоление Иллирией своей гордыни? Тогда ее нужно спаривать не с Уэсом, а со Спайком, чтобы он все время дразнил и доводил до белого каления. Лишняя ли Фред? Хм... не знаю. Душа-то у девушки сгорела. Остался блестящий ум и навыки выживателя (вспомни Пилею). По-моему, очень интересный коктейль мог бы получиться.
Васкес, я имела ввиду Фред в своей физической форме, а не Фред, какой она существует в Иллирии (или Иллирия в ней?) сейчас, т.к. то, что есть сейчас меня вполне устраивает ) А конфликт... Есть тут один кард, который пишет подобный фик, но вот кадр напишет, потом даст нам почитать - посмотрим, что там может быть
Помнится, Эми Эккер упомянула, что в 6 сезоне собиралась играть ДВЕ роли - Иллирию и Фред. Я из этого сделала вывод, что Фред вернут автономно от Иллирии, и бедняге Уэсу придется разбираться с обеими.
Девченки, идеи отличные! Только в каждой есть свои "за" и "против" ! Геро, было бы интересно посмотреть как Уэс преодолее свою неприязнь к богине, та в своюочредь засюнет свою гордыню ... (хотя тут без Спайка точно не обойтись, но Эндрю то же не помешал бы! Они бы работали на пару и дело бы шло вперед семи мильными шагами, а зло пусть вымещает на ... кошках (Ангел подошел бы идиально! )). Но с другой стороны,VasquezE, было бы интересно смотреть за метаниями Уэса между Фрэд и Илирией (но если Фред без души, то , мне кажется, что у них с богиней будет много общего). интересно кого он выберет в конце концов!
Announcer: Next Wednesday, the Final Episode of Angel.
Shot of Angel, hurrying down an alley or narrow street. It's raining, & he's carrying a sword.
Announcer: After 5 years, it will all come down to one moment. Shots from tonight's ep, of the gang with their hands in the air.
Announcer: His purpose will become clear...
Overhead shot, looking straight down on a large table, w/ the Circle of the Black Thorn symbol on it. Can see members hands on the table.
Shot of cloaked, hooded figures. Shot of an arm holding a large, long knife.
Shot of Angel at the Circle's table. He is at the end (head? foot?) of the table. A hooded figure is sitting at the opposite end, in the foreground of the shot. This figure is drinking a blue liquid out of a wine or champagne glass.
Announcer: His fate will become legend...
Shot of a large group of hooded figures, holding weapons, in the rain. (OK, let's be frank here, they are really just wearing rain ponchos, hee!)
Shot of Illyria with a bloody face. (Looks about the same as it did in tonight's ep.)
Angel, in the rain, with Spike & Illyria in the background.
Announcer: But one of his own will not survive.
Spike in a fight w/ a green-headed demon (One of Archduke Sebassis' guys?)
Demon (looks like Cyvus Vail) has Wes (I think) levitating, raised several feet above the ground
A very large slab of concrete crashes down.
Shot of Illyria, looks like she's standing in the street, in front of a car.
Shot of someone washing blood off their hands. (Appears to be a guy, silver bracelet on left wrist, a bit of white rolled up shirtsleeve visible. Any guesses?)
Lorne raising gun at Lindsay. The room they're in is a mess, looks like there's been a fight.
Gunn punching someone offscreen - then it looks like someone grabs him around the waist, & takes him down.
Another shot of the big slab of concrete crashing down. It looks like there are 2 people in the background, but I can't tell who.
Announcer: The Final Key to the Angel Saga.
Angel in the rain, looking through a chain-link fence.
Then the promo ends with the same shot it started with, Angel hurrying down an alley in the rain.
Announcer: The Series Finale, next week, etc...
Also, the screen shows:
ANGEL The WB Series Finale next week
The End
Smoochie с форума CDS обратил внимание на любопытный факт:
Also wanted to draw your attention to something. I don't know if it's meant to be significant, but I like how they put
"ANGEL The WB Series Finale"
instead of just "Series Finale". Reminds me of how "not final" the WB Series Finale of BtvS was, hee! Надежда умирает последней...
I wanna tell you how it's gonna be You're gonna give your love to me I wanna love you night and day Well love is love and not fade away Well love is love and not fade away
My love's bigger than a cadillac I'll try to show it if you drive me back Your love for me has got to be real For you to know just how I feel Lovin' real'll not fade away
I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be You're gonna give your love to me Love to last more than one day
I hadn't realised how appropriate "Not Fade Away" was as a title for the last episode till I read them. I can see why they chose it. The Fang Gang couldn't just fade away, and our love for Angel won't fade away--what a great sentiment. Of course, if you've read my sig, you know just how profound that idea is.
the gang over at AtPo are hoping to write Angel S6 this summer. I think it would be fun to speculate on potential story arcs that would have been cool to see, even without writing it up. Wouldnt it have been neat to see how Spike and Angel get over Buffy? Or post W&H adventures: helping the helpless one at a time, not so effective; fighting evil from the belly of the beast, not so effective. So what would they try as their next attempt to fight evil? How would Gunn have integrated his lawyer with his street persona? What if they took on something like The Immortal where it's not clear what color his hat is and what they should do about it? Or move through dimensions? Spike vs Alterna-Spike? Just like Slayers are everywhere, what if witches and wizards were everywhere? As you can tell, I'm not very creative on things like this, but as Joss said there are many stories left to be told.
I know there are always DVD's, and I agree with DB that at least Angel is going out at the top of its game--better a bang than a whimper. But I won't be able to take real comfort in this till I've reached the acceptance stage of grief. I've done denial, but I think I'm still in my anger stage.
Взято здесь. With ANGEL ending, the acclaimed creator who once had three series on the air simultaneously now has none. How did this reviewer rate the finale?
Starring David Boreanaz, Alexis Denisof, J. August Richards, Amy Acker, Andy Hallett and James Marsters Created by Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt Written by Joss Whedon and Jeffrey Bell Directed by Jeffrey Bell The WB Premieres Wednesday, May 19, at 9 p.m. ET
By Kathie Huddleston
Just one year after Buffy the Vampire Slayer said goodbye, Joss Whedon's spinoff Angel meets its demise, taking his richly creative vamp- and demon-filled universe with it. The fifth-season and series finale, "Not Fade Away," takes Angel and his gang into some very dark places. It features the elements that have made this spinoff one of the best shows on television.
Previously, Angel (Boreanaz) told the gang the reason he was acting like, well, an evil bloodsucking vampire. In "Not Fade Away," he unveils his plan to take out the nasty Circle of the Black Thorn, a group of powerful demons that do the Senior Partner's dirty work on Earth. To pull off his ambitious plan, Angel recruits Lindsay (Christian Kane) and Illyria (Acker). He believes they just might have a chance to stop the upcoming apocalypse by attacking each demon separately. However, he doesn't believe they'll survive the Senior Partner's wrath once the deed is done.
With everyone agreeing to put their lives on the line, Angel tells them to take one last day for themselves. They scatter back to their previous lives for a moment of peace, except for Wesley (Denisof), who tends to an injured Illyria. Meanwhile, the Senior Partner's henchman, Hamilton (Adam Baldwin), does a little detective work to try and figure out what's really going on.
As their day comes to an end, the gang members head off to kill their assigned bad guys. However, as Angel makes one last stop at the Wolfram & Hart office, Hamilton is waiting, and he's not about to let Angel's little plot against the Senior Partners and their demons proceed.
An end as dark as the beginning
Come next fall, Joss Whedon won't have a series on the air. Sure, there will still be reruns of both Buffy and Angel, but there won't be any new shows for fans to sink their teeth into. It's a sad state of affairs indeed. And while we can mourn the fact that both Buffy and Angel are gone, we're certainly better off for having gotten to spend some time in Whedon's twisted imagination for all these years.
No doubt the talented Whedon will return to television at some point in the future with a new exciting show. Until then, we have to take heart that he was able to take Angel, which began as little more than a lesser spinoff of Buffy, and make it into a fine series that stood up on its own terms and took us to places Buffy never could. Darker and more adult than its predecessor, the final episode of the series, "Not Fade Away," is a fitting finale, although not one that's wrapped up tight with a little bow.
Angel, gang and other familiar faces play a part in the big finale in one way or another, including Eve (Sarah Thompson), Lindsay, Hamilton and even Connor (Vincent Kartheiser). Some loose ends are tied up, and some others are not. In the end, there will be betrayal and death, just like any other episode during Angel's run. It's good stuff and writers Whedon and Bell spin their tale together in a satisfying way that will allow Angel and his pals to live on in our hearts and minds.
The only complaint has to do with the sudden introduction of the Circle of the Black Thorn. Whedon usually sprinkles hints throughout the season and provides more direction about where a given season is headed. However, that didn't happen this year, and the final battle doesn't have the depth of past battles. This is primarily because this season's Big Bad is actually the Senior Partners, who are invisible and intangible. Cool idea, but hard to visualize. Taking on the face of the Senior Partners was Eve, who started out with promise but ended up whiny, and Hamilton (played by the wonderful Adam Baldwin), who hasn't been around long enough to get under our skin.
However, it's a small criticism and one that exists only because Angel has been so good at building up bad guys. In the end, this series was a good as Buffy, and Joss Whedon's world will be missed.
It's good to join Angel, Wesley, Gunn, Lorne, Spike and even Illyria on one last adventure. These characters have suffered a heck of a lot, and I've been with them all the way. They are heroes in the truest sense of the word—people and demons who chose to fight the good fight for no other reason than because it is the right thing to do. Whedon never forgot that heroes don't always win, but they always keep fighting, and that's what's made Angel so good. — Kathie
A detailed summary of the very last episode taken from the script, including new information on what scenes were cut.
We begin with a "Previously" which recaps the last scene in Power Play -- Angel plans to kill every member of the Circle of the Black Thorn, which will bring down the Senior Partners' wrath, and he needs everyone's help, if they want to give it, because it's a suicide mission.
TEASER
Everyone's hand is in the air, Angel raises his. "So, we're agreed?" "Yeah," says Spike, "We're one big happy Manson family." Angel explains that they have to take them out one by one, because there's no way they could go up against the entire Circle at once. Gunn suggests bringing Illyria in, but Angel doesn't trust her. Lorne says not to worry about that, she was happy enough to babysit Drogyn for them -- wait, she was with Drogyn? Drogyn who Angel just had to kill to prove his loyalty to the Circle of the Black Thorn? But before he can get another word out, Angel suddenly punches Spike in the face.
Offscreen, we hear Hamilton, "Sorry, didn't know you were in conference." "Just making a closing statement," says Angel, in complete control. He "finishes" by telling Wes that Illyria is his responsibility, and make sure she doesn't get twitchy. He dismisses them. Hamilton tells Angel that he has a problem, no, not with his employees, with his new friends. And no, it can't wait.
ACT ONE
The gang arrives at Spike's place to find it a wreck, Illyria on the floor in a heap, and the Crash Bandicoot music still playing from the TV. Illyria doesn't look alive. Gunn suggests checking her pulse, then pauses, "Is she supposed to have a pulse?" She revives, weakly, and is able to tell them that Hamilton took Drogyn. Lorne starts getting paranoid again, asking how can they still trust Angel, how can they now know what's next? Gunn says they don't have to trust Angel, they just have to be confident the Circle does.
Meanwhile, in the Circle's headquarters, a dark spoooooky opening ritual is going on. When it finishes, the Archduke begins to frankly tell Angel that his people are a problem, that Angel needs to control them better, especially Wes, who they percieve as a threat. ("He seems....talented. And intriguingly unstable.") But, continues the Archduke, that's really not the problem. Vail cries out -- the Pee Pee Demon is tangled in his tubes again. Angel grabs the Pee Pee Demon and shoves him at the Duke. Anyway, continues the Duke, the problem is this, pulling out a parchment scroll. "That's the Shanshu Prophecy," says Angel. "The original," says the Duke. What the Circle needs him to do is sign away, in blood, any chance that Angel will ever earn his humanity. (Which, editorially, is all very well and compelling, but if we've learned anything from this show, isn't it that that sort of thing never works? The Father Will Kill The Son, anyone? The son of the vampire with a soul will kill Sahjhan? But anyway.) Angel says that it doesn't bother him in the least, he has no desire to be human anyway. Izzy slams a pen down on the table, through Angel's hand, and Angel signs.
Back at his office, Angel is talking to Harmony. Seemingly out of nowhere, he asks her if she ever misses being human, having only been turned 5 years ago and all. She thinks about it and says, not really...though the way her heart beat when she kissed a really hot boy for the first time was pretty cool. Angel says he can't remember what being human was like at all, it was just too long ago. (Really? Even IWRY?) At this point, Harmony gets a clue and says she knows something's going down, and she wants to be a part of it. Angel gives her the task of distracting Hamilton while he goes and does "One last thing I don't want to."
In a W&H conference room, Lindsey tells Angel, "You have to be joking." "I'm not known for my jokes," says Angel, "Mostly I think that's 'cause people don't get me." Angel then goes on to say that it's not about Lindsey trusting Angel, it's about the Wolf, Ram and Hart (the firm's Earthly name appears to be a thing of the past), "the ones we've been fighting against forever." Lindsey tells Angel he can't beat them, and Angel says they're not there to be beaten, they're there to be fought. Hoping nobody remembers BtVS S7, Angel says "Maybe the Senior Partners are what evil really is. Intangible. Incorporeal. In us. And maybe fighting them is what makes human beings so remarkably strong." Lindsey starts to argue that this fight isn't about the kind of strength that humans have to resist the evil within them, it's about fighting incredibly powerful demons hand-to-hand. But Angel can't stop thinking about how once, this world belonged to demons, and now, it doesn't. He asks Lindsey to spare him the Hell on Earth speech, he knows how much sway demons hold in this world. Hell, he's "the greatest mass murderer you ever met." "And I've never given you props for that," replies Lindsey. Anyway, Angel says, it's mostly that Lindsey's strong, and Angel wants him on his side. He also wants Lindsey to take over the firm for him when they're done taking it apart, if they win. "Suppose you come up snake eyes?" asks Lindsey. "You'll talk your way out of it," says Angel, "Tell 'em I forced you to help me. Tell 'em I made my scary face." "Believe it or not," says Lindsey, "I was actually asking about you. You don't care about being squished like a bitty bug?" "You haven't heard a word I've said," says Angel, "From like, years back." "You get speechy, I breeze out. I get the cliff nots: honor humanity, absolute good." But here's the twist, he's in. Angel asks why. Lindsey says that all anyone ever talks about is Angel's soul, but nobody ever mentions the fact "that what you really are is a vampire with huge brass testes!" This is a HUGE fight, and Lindsey's not going to be left out of it. So he's on the team. "I want you, Lindsey," says Angel. "...I'm thinking about rephrasing that." "I'd be more comfortable," replies Lindsey.
Back at Spike's apartment, Wes is still nursing Illyria. He tells Gunn that he needs supplies from home, and Lorne asks what they'll do if Hamilton shows up again. "Hamilton did this?" asks Angel, stepping in. He gets the whole story, and Gunn asks what's going to happen if the Circle needs any more proof of his loyalty. Angel says that's not going to happen, because "we're killing them all tonight."
ACT TWO
In Spike's apartment, Angel tells them all to take the day doing whatever they want, because it will probably be their last day alive. Cut to a montage of...
Lorne, in front of a microphone, sings his heart out at a karaoke bar.
Angel, in a coffee shop, sits and waits. He looks up, says "Hi," and we pull back to reveal Connor, who sits down across from him.
In a pub, Spike slams an empty shot glass onto the counter. The bartender warns him that it can get pretty ugly in there, but Spike says that's what he's looking for. "Your funeral," says the bartender. "Well," says Spike, "I never did have a proper one."
Outside the shelter, Anne is loading furniture and boxes into a truck. Gunn walks up, makes small talk, and asks her what she'd be doing if she knew none of it mattered, if she knew that everything was controlled by forces more powerful and uncaring than human beings can concieve, and it will never, ever, ever get any better. "I'd get this truck packed before the new stuff gets here," she says. "You wanna give me a hand?" Gunn does.
In Spike's apartment, Wes is tending to Illyria. "I do not understand," she says. Well, this will help you heal faster, he explains, if you really do intend to help us in this fight. "I will fight," she says, "I have been broken and humiliated and I will return in kind every blow, every sting. I will shred my adversaries. Pull their eyes out just enough to turn them towards their mewing, mutilated faces." "You're a very inspirational person, have I mentioned that?" says Wes. But seriously, says Illyria, Angel told you to do whatever you wanted today, and here you are with me, why? "Didn't I go off and have one last perfect day? Smell the flowers, or skydive, or have a go with Mistress Spanksalot or whatever the hell one's supposed to do in these situations?" "Mistress who?" "There is no perfect day for me, Illyria. There is no sunset, or painting, or finely aged scotch that's going to sum up my life and make tonight any...there's nothing I want." Illyria says he wants to be with Fred, and he agrees, yes, if he could, that's how he'd be spending his last day. Illyria offers to be Fred for him, but he says no, one of the first things he learned at the Watcher's Academy was to separate truth and illusion, and so he'll live with the truth, however miserable it may be. Illyria looks at him and says "You are... not an inspirational person like me." No, says Wes, I guess I'm not. They look at each other.
Spike, now sufficiently drunk, is onstage at the same pub, with a microphone. The sign on the wall says "McTarnan's Poetry Slam." Spike slams. "Midnight descends in raven-colour'd clothes / But soft -- behold! -- a sunlight beam / cutting a swath of glimmering gleam / My heart expands -- 'tis grown a bulge in't / Inspired by your beauty...effulgent." There is a pause, and then wild applause breaks out, with stomping and cheering and whistling. "That was brave!" someone yells from the back. "Thank you!" says Spike, "That was for Cecily! All right, this next one is called The Wanton Folly of Me Mum...."
Angel and Connor are still in the coffee shop, talking. Angel's been telling him about Nina, and Connor asks if it's the wolf thing, "There's some full moon love, am I right? Fur flying..." "There's no fur!" says Angel, "I would never...fur..." "So," says Connor, "Vampires really don't understand the concept of 'jokes.'" Angel is slightly miffed. "I understand jokes," he says, "I was at the first taping of The Carol Burnett Show." Changing the subject, Connor says "I know you're my father." This catches Angel off-guard. "You got your memories back," he says. Connor nods. "They're mixed in there with the new ones. It's more like a...bad dream I had, I guess. A really strange, violent...at times, inappropriately erotic dream." Angel says he must have so many questions, but Connor cuts him off, saying he doesn't want to make a thing. "I get what you did. You know, I'm grateful and that's as far as I wanna take it. Okay?" Okay. (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Sorry, Connor fangirl moment. But isn't he just the best ever? I. Love. Him. So. Much. But I digress.) Angel asks Connor what he's working on, and Connor says he's putting together his resume so he can apply for internships over the summer. Angel offers to help, and Connor asks if he's ever written a resume, ever. No, says Angel, "But I have very nice handwriting." "You girl," scoffs Connor. "Hey," says Angel as we slowly pull back on the tableau of father and son, "Good penmanship used to be a sign of masculinity." "When," asks Connor, "Like, in the eighteenth century?" "The latter half," says Angel.
In a W&H office, Eve and Lindsey are making out. Eve seems distracted, and Lindsey asks what's on her mind. "Angel," she says. "There simply could not be a worse answer than that," says Lindsey. No really, says Eve, you know what I mean. "I do," says Lindsey. "It's nice to know you're one of the few things in my life Angel never did get his mitts on." "Yeah, it's nice," says Eve, quickly, "But we should really talk about his plan." Blah blah Eve is worried, Lindsey isn't, but Eve is going to stay away from the fight. Good, good, thinks the audience, keep her far, far offscreen.
The perfect day is over. We're back in Spike's apartment, the entire gang gathered for Angel's Last Big Speech. "This may come out a little pretentious," he begins, "But one of you will betray me." Spike's hand shoots up. Angel continues, giving each of them their assignments. Wesley will take Vail, since he's the sorcerer of the bunch, and already suspects that Wes will try to make a play for Angel's position, which will get him inside Vail's house. Illyria will be taking out Izzy and three other members, who dine together almost every night. "I'll make trophies of their spines," she says. Gunn will take out Senator Brucker and her vampire guards. Gunn is glad, he misses the old vamp-killing days. Spike, before Angel can say anything to him, says "First off, I'm not wearing any amulets. No bracelets, broaches, beads, pendants, pins, or rings." Angel says that's fine, all he'll need is a rattle. His assignment is to rescue the baby, and kill all of the Fell Brethren. Angel will be taking the Archduke of Sebassis for himself. Lorne's assignment is just to back up Lindsey. Lorne isn't happy at all. He doesn't trust Lindsey, and doesn't want to be a part of this. But Angel says that Lindsey is on their team now.
Meanwhile, in Harmony's bedroom, she's sipping blood from a glass as she cuddles with Hamilton. "Anyway," she says, "About Angel's secret plan..."
ACT THREE
Angel has finished explaining the plan -- they won't be coming back to the offices at all. Whoever survives will meet in the alley behind the Hyperion when it's over. Lorne says he'll do this one last thing, but he won't be at the Hyperion. He's out, leaving, and they shouldn't try to look for him. Illyria tells Gunn "Try not to die. You are not unpleasant to my eyes." Gunn returns the compliment, shakes her hand, and heads out the door. Wes and Angel look at each other and have a moment. Wes leaves, followed by Illyria. Left alone with Angel, Spike asks him what he thinks about the Shanshu thing -- could this be the big moment when one of them becomes a real boy? "Who are you kidding?" says Angel, "We're not gonna make it through." Spike takes that in, nods, and says, "Well...long as it's not you."
Vail is eating dinner in his mansion. Across the table, Wesley is explaining why he came to Vail, while slowly casting a spell under the table. A ball of light begins to form...
In the sanctuary of the Fell Brethren, we hear a baby crying, and a line of Brethren walking down a corridor. The last one in the line looks around -- it's Spike.
Angel, heading for the elevator, tells Harmony one last time to keep Hamilton busy, which she's happy to do. Angel stops at the Wall O' Weaponry and picks up a big sword ("intricately carved, oddly shaped, not your everyday sword" -- well, at least they didn't call it a scythe). He turns around to see Hamilton standing there. They speak, then fight. Hamilton throws Angel through the glass window and into the lobby. "Oh my God!" shrieks Harmony, "He's not my boyfriend! I mean I certainly didn't betray you!" Angel tells her to drop the act, he always knew she'd turn on him, it's what she does. Harmony says she might have been able to be more loyal if he'd had any confidence in her. Angel says no, it's because she has no soul. "I would if you had confidence in me," she says. Angel tells her get out of the building, she's fired. She asks if she can at least have a letter of reccomendation and he says yes, it's already in her desk. She wishes both Angel and Hamilton good luck, and scampers off. The fight resumes, complete with manly banter.
ACT FOUR
The banter turns to taunting as Hamilton is obviously winning this fight. "Did you really think you could kill the Archduke Sebassis?" he asks. "No," says Angel, "I think I already did." We flash to Sebassis in the bathtub, a glass off blue blood on the side. He takes a sip, shudders, and dies just in time to see the Pee Pee Demon dead in the corner, frothing at the mouth. We quickly flash back to earlier, at the Circle meeting, and this time, see Angel stab the Pee Pee Demon with a spiked ring as he shoves him towards Sebassis. Back to the present moment, Angel says to Hamilton," I figured *you* were the one I needed to be alone with." "So I could kill you?" asks Hamilton. "Well," says Angel, "I thought the fight would be going a little better."
In the Fell Brethren sanctuary, Spike lifts the baby out of its bassinet. He is quickly surrounded by angry Brethren, who he plunges into battle with, still holding the baby. (Please please please let this look less stupid than the fighting-with-baby did in Dad.)
Wesley continues to talk as the ball of light is still forming under the table. He hurls the ball at Vail, who is thrown against the wall. Vail starts to laugh, rips his tubes out, stands, and says "You don't know who you're dealing with, do you, boy? I mean, really. I crap better magic than this." He flicks his fingers, and Wes goes flying.
In a demon bar, two figures crash through the door. Lindsey strides in casually, sword at his hips. He starts swinging...
Izzy and three human members of the Circle are getting into a black Towncar. The headlights go on, illuminating Illyria, standing in front of the car, waiting for them.
Angel and Hamilton continue to fight. The lobby has at this point been nearly destroyed -- walls coming down, Harm's desk split in two, etc. "You know, the blue chick hit a lot harder," says Hamilton. Hamilton then asks why Angel keeps fighting, since he's signed away his Shanshu. "The people who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do," says Angel. "Yeah," says Hamilton, "But we won't care!" A fist connect with Hamilton's jaw, sending him crashing back into Angel's office. "Care about THAT, Dress-for-Less?" says Connor. (YAY! CONNOR!) Angel asks Connor what the hell he's doing here. "Come on," Connor says, "You drop by for a cup of coffee and the world's NOT ending? Please." (Editorial note, remember when Willow tore Angel a new one about Buffy, all those years back? "Two hundred years old and you don't have time for coffee?" she said. And now he does have time for coffee! With Connor! Wait, that tag doesn't close.)
Izzy's Towncar is in pieces. There are body parts and body fluids everywhere. Illyria walks away.
Senator Brucker is in her office, on the phone. Far behind her, we see Gunn approaching, taking out vampire guards as he goes. As he gets closer, we get some old-school Gunn vamp-killing action. Oh, yeah.
At W&H, in a shot that could easily be cut if they needed the time, Eve paces, nervously.
At the demon bar, Lorne is gingerly walking over body parts towards the bar as Lindsey washes his hands in the sink. Lorne compliments Lindsey on his swordsmanship, and Lindsey thanks Lorne for his help. "Couldn't have done it without the high note in Macarthur Park." Lindsey wonders how the rest of the team is doing, and then muses on how odd it is to be saying "team." He kind of likes the feeling. (Awwwwwwwww...) Lorne says he's leaving, it's not his line of work anymore, and it isn't Lindsey's either. Lindsey asks why Lorne still doesn't trust him, and offers to sing for him. "I've heard you sing," says Lorne, as he pulls out a pistol and shoots Lindsey in the chest. Lindsey staggers back, shocked. "You're not part of the solution, Lindsey," says Lorne, "You never will be." Lindsey is furious. "YOU killed me? You don't kill me! Angel kills me! A flunky! I'm not some...Angel kills me...Angel..." And with Angel's name the last word on his lips, he dies. Lorne drops the gun and walks out.
At Vail's, Wes isn't in good shape. Through the pain, he says "Then I'll just have to do this the old fashioned way..." and his wrist-knife thingy slides out, and he stabs at Vail. But Vail's not there anymore -- he's already on the other side of the room, holding a large curved dagger. "I suppose we will," says Vail, and he slams the blade into Wes' stomach. With his last bit of strength, Wes summons one more energy ball, and explodes it, sending Vail flying. Vail goes down, and doesn't get up. Wes clutches his stomach, blood flowing through his fingers, as Illyria enters. "I killed all of mine," she says, "And I was..." "Concerned?" Wesley finishes for her. "I think so," she says, "But I can't help. You'll be dead within minutes." Wes knows. Illyria touches his face and asks, "Would you like me to lie to you now?" Wes smiles. "Yes," he says. "Thank you, yes." Another hand touches Wes' face, this time, it's Fred's. "Hello there," he says. "Wesley..my Wesley..." she says. "I've missed you," he says. She kisses him, softly, kisses his forehead, and whispers, "It's gonna be okay...it won't hurt much longer. And then you'll be where I am...we'll be together." She is beginning to cry, looking at him. "I love you," he says. "I love you...shhh...my love...oh, my love...." She lays him down. He his dead.
Vail is standing behind her. "How very touching his meaningless death was," he says. "But this fight was never for mortals. Take your best shot, little girl." Fred stands up, slowly, eyes narrowed. She pulls her first back, and (in extreme slow-motion), she changes back to Illyria as the punch lands on Vail's face. She hits him so hard his head explodes.
[That scene? Makes me cry just reading it.]
Meanwhile, Hamilton is still winning, even against both Angel and Connor. He smacks Connor across the room, taking him out of the fight. "Let me say this as clearly as I can," Hamilton says, "You. Can. Not. Beat. Me. I'm part of them. The Wolf, Ram, and Hart. Their strength flows through my veins. My blood is filled with their ancient power." Angel freezes, suddenly calm. "Can you pick out the one word there you probably shouldn't have said?" He goes into gameface and lunges at Hamilton, sinking his fangs into his neck. Hamilton can't throw him off until Angel is finished drinking. He stands up, in human face again, and says "Wow. You really are full of it." (You know the moment in The Princess Bride where Inigo and The Man In Black have finally both switched to their right hands? This is that moment.) The battle is now met. Hamilton continues to taunt, saying "You don't think you're gonna win this, do you? You don't have a chance. We are legion. We are forever." Angel pummels him, dropping Hamilton to his knees, and says, in-between blows (er -- punches), "Then I guess...foever...just...got..A HELL..OF A LOT...SHORTER!" He cracks him one last good one in the jaw, and then snaps Hamilton's neck. "Is he dead?" asks Connor. Yes, says Angel, he's dead. The building starts to shake, and Connor knows that's not good. "Wolfram and Hart," says Angel. "Looks like they're taking the gloves off." He tells Connor to go home, this is his fight. Connor starts to argue, but as he tries to step forward, he doubles over with pain. "You have to go home now," says Angel. "They'll destroy you," says Connor. "As long as you're okay," says Angel, "they can't."
(YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!)
Connor leaves.
Angel is walking through the crumbling W&H building. He encounters Eve, who asks what's going on, and where the hell is Lindsey? "He's not coming for you," says Angel. "It's time to go." They leave.
Angel is the first to arrive in the alley. Spike is right behind him, now baby-free. Gunn walks up next, just barely alive. He's not surprised that Spike and Angel survived their fights, but he himself is obviously in really, really bad shape. Illyria drops into frame (from a rooftop), and says "Wesley is dead." As Spike, Angel, and Gunn take this in, she continues, "I am feeling grief for him. I don't seem to be able to control it. I wish to do more violence."
A thunderclap, and the sound of marching. Various other spooky scary sounds indicate that the SP's are as pissed off as Angel thought they would be. They all look up to see the monster army marching towards them in the sky, including (yes) a dragon circling. "Okay," says Gunn, "you take the 30,000 on the left..." "You are fading," says Illyria, "You'll last ten minutes." "Let's make 'em memorable," says Gunn.
"In terms of a plan?" asks Spike.
"We fight," says Angel.
"Bit more specific?"
"Well, personally...I kinda wanna slay the dragon."
There is a tremendous roar as the horde of horribles charge.
Close on Angel, sword in hand.
"Let's go to work."
Something comes into frame, and he swings the sword down, teeth gritted, the battle engaged.
END OF SERIES
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ These are from the press screener tape
Cuts I noticed:
At the end of the first Wesley/Illyria scene, right after he gives his truth/illusion/Watcher speech, her line "You are not an inspirational person like me" has been cut. Pity.
In the Angel/Connor coffeeshop scene, Angel's line "There's no fur...I would never...fur" is cut, as are the last few lines about Angel's manly penmanship. (The scene ends after Connor calls Angel a girl. Which still works, but damnit, all of Eve's scenes are left intact, and Connor and Wes get lines cut? So cruel.)
joss says: (Thu May 20 03:01:15 2004) [Edit/Delete]
hey
joss says: (Thu May 20 03:04:33 2004) [Edit/Delete]
I'll stop by after it airs on this coast, but I did want to thank you all for what I just scanned...
and LI'L PIA -- the 711 reference caught my eye, so i figure you're the one drawing the best book in comics. I hope Brian has conveyed my large love. (And I knew that tim conway thing was gonna bite me in the ***...)
Does that count as a spoiler?
I'm actually a little overwhelmed. I'm going back to work. I will post more later. -j.
joss says: (Thu May 20 03:18:51 2004) [Edit/Delete]
Okay I still leave in the Grand Ty King tradition, but I DO have to work (or issue four of Astonishing X-Men will be three pages long, which I think is kind of not right.) BUT:
Kiba. You won't get lost.
And on the subject of Jordan Levin, i do want to say this much: I'm not down with his decision and I never will be, but I've worked with jordan since the start of Buffy and he has always been a supporter and a decent guy. His job is a soul-sucking nightmare. And he's not prom king tonight, no sir, but he's part of why we got to have ten years total of shows on that network -- shows that wouldn't have lasted for... well imagine if they were on Fox. So factor that in. Later on.
Joss' post on the Bronze Beta after the finale had aired on the West Coast. joss says: (Thu May 20 05:26:55 2004) [Edit/Delete]
Can't stay long. Wanted to say thank you one more time, to all of you except anyone who ever criticized anything ever at all. I came on these boards in Buffy's first year and the support -- and even the criticism -- has been more helpful than I can type. I set out in television with one simple goal: to purchase a russian bride. Didn't work out. Immigration stuff -- it's complicated. But I did get to make this show, and that other one, and that other other one, and meet some of the best artists and the best friends I've ever known.
I had dinner with Tim Minear the other night, and we talked about what kind of show we want to make next. And it always comes back to the same themes... people getting strength. People helping out. People being thankful for whatever they have, be it power, a decent life, or a fun-tastic russian bride. And I'm thankful that for the last eight years my cohorts and I got to feel like the superheroes. 'Cause of y'all. I don't know if the Buffyverse is going to return to TV, but I hope so, and I know we'll be putting SOMETHING out there. Maybe on HBO, 'cause I like me some cussin'.
Keep you posted.
-j.
Не могла удержаться и не принести сюда. Я не со всем согласна, но Бубоник сильна, как всегда.
bubonicplague1348 Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1605 Location: Snape's dungeons Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 5:37 am Was just sitting here thinking about why this finale felt so satisfying, whereas Chosen was complete and utter crap. Aside from the glaringly obvious (we didn't get any screwing around with shippers, mall talk, or cookies), the message conveyed by this finale, and, indeed, this whole series, has been the polar opposite of the one passed along in BtVS.
On Buffy, we were basically telegraphed the idea that being the outsider may be kinda cool, but one's ultimate goal should really be to fit in and live a "normal" life. The way that Buffy acted around her friends was upheld as common and decent - bully or be bullied, any desires beyond the mundane are tainted, the world is a black-and-white place, feminism is being able to kick ass like a strong man. What did we really get, in the end? Buffy blithely and happily giving up the thing that made her unique, forcing a world of unsuspecting others to become Just Like Her so that she could have a few free hours to go shoe shopping. The message was never about actually accepting one's own differences, reveling in them, owning them. It was about passing them on. That left a lot of us with a rather squirmy, nasty little feeling. Even poor Spike, noble as he was, was resignated to passivity in these grand machinations of "girl power", simply playing Super-Absorbent Maxi Pad of Ubervamp Death via what the hell ever that amulet was channeling. You have to look long and hard for the actual choices people made, and the whole spirit behind individuality was subverted in the name of a puerile version of feminism.
Now, look at AtS. Every single scene in this finale was based upon the idea that yes, we do make our own personal choices - whether to fight or walk away, whether or not we can bring ourselves to do things that we despise, the fact that we make mistakes. But every single character was true to him/herself, and upheld the concept of being the outsider as sane. Relationships were real, not teenaged flights of fancy, and painful in a real way. Sure, the message that we all keep fighting was bullet-between-the-eyes obvious, but it was a damn good way to end the show. And more subtle, the message that we evolve, change, and become better people due to our interactions with others was truly resonant.
Look at what Illyria did for Wes. Look at the fact that he was fallible enough to want her to. Look at Lorne's decision to do something completely against his nature...and then just walk away. Look at Gunn revisiting his past, something he'd always been so keen to escape from in the same way Buffy wanted to escape from being a Slayer, with reverence. Look at Connor, not wanting a father/son relationship with Angel but wanting something. Look at Angel himself, signing away his prophecy and fantasy with only the merest of flinches.
And when it comes to full-circle, no panoramic "core four" shot can compare to Spike reading his poem. It's no better, but he's changed. He's been to hell and back, died and lived and loved and become something extraordinary. And you can hear that behind his voice, the conviction and the pain and the passion. He's more than he was, but he hasn't changed the words. They're still his - it's just that the world has come to accept them as beautiful, because he accepts himself and can speak honestly, without fear. People applaud him, and he never had to give in to the "let's pound down the nail that sticks up" mentality in order to gain acceptance. He's acknowledged because he acknowledges himself. Who'd have thought that William, the epitome of repressed mediocrity, would come so far?
That's a far more striking message than BtVS would (or could) ever send out. We can all be extraordinary, and we all keep fighting.
May 20, 2004 Of all the many series finales that have aired this month, none moved me more than the end of Angel. I can't readily remember a more effective tear-jerker than the scene in which a mortally wounded Wesley takes his final breath in the arms of Illyria, who has transformed herself into the visage of dearly departed Fred.
I imagine some fans will wish the show had delivered a happier or more complete ending, but I found it incredibly inspiring to watch Angel and the few remaining survivors of his ragtag crew heading into battle, taking a last stand against the surging forces of evil. "Personally, I kind of want to slay the dragon," said our tragic vampire hero. "Let's go to work."
With those four words, this wonderful series retired with dignity, integrity — and, yes, soul. For a show built around a vampire, Angel had a lot to say about the human spirit. In the final episode, Angel signed away his Shanshu Prophecy, and with it the hope that someday he would regain his humanity. But he continued to fight, which puzzled the Senior Partners' emissary, Hamilton (the amusing yet scary Adam Baldwin): "There's nothing in it for you anymore." But Angel knew better. Redemption is even more significant when there's not so clear a reward at the end of the fight.
И напоследок - рейтинг The series finale of "Angel" gave The WB a 3.3/5
Елена, и как тебе удается в всем найти оптимистическую и шутливую нотку?.. А я вот страдаю, грустно все это... Что ни говори, и как бы патетично это ни звучало: кончилась целая эпоха...
Эх, в болото такую жизнь... Впрочем... Мы и так там... Для поднятия бодрости духа, посмотрите на эволюцию Спайка". Все старое, но подборка... Если кто-то уже кинул эту линку в другом топике, не пинайте за повтор...
Во-первых, Ангел отвратительно обошёлся с Линдси - использовал, а потом убил. А Лорн действовал по указанию Ангела (может поэтому он решил уйти) - это ясно видно из того, что Ангел сказал Еве: Линдси к ней не придёт. Иллирию мы принимаем в команду, а Линдси значит нет - он же too old and too male.
На фоне этого его убийство Дрогина в предыдущей серии выглядит не так отвратительно. Ангел готов пожертвовать всеми, чтобы отомстить Старшим Партнёрам - где-то это уже было. А, конечно, в Репризе. Сходство заметно - только здесь он подготовился получше и втянул остальных (предварительно решив за всех и поставив их перед фактом - в момент, когда уже нельзя было отказаться). Мне кажется, его поступок - что-то вроде самоубийства отчаяния - он понял, что система уже переваривает его и решил уйти как герой, бросив ей вызов. При этом Ангел не верил, что может остановить машину В&Х. Хотя, судя по тому, о чём должен был быть 6 сезон, ему таки это удалось. Вот только последовавший за этим хаос легко мог бы оказаться хуже того, что было. Может, об этом и был бы 6 сезон (хлюп ). Его поступок можно понять. Но то, что он опять всё решил за других, очень неприятно.
Впрочем, мне последняя серия понравилась - да хотя бы за одну последнюю сцену Уэсли - финал "Hole in the world" повторился, только Фред и Уэсли поменялись. Кстати, мне кажется, что Фрилли любила Уэса - её лицо в последней сцене серии и то, что она пошла ему помогать это подтверждает. Кроме того, в ней осталось кое-что от Фред. И её силой действильно оказалось то, что она выглдит как Фред - похоже Вейл не понял, с кем связался, и даже не успел удивиться, прежде чем получить последний удар.
Спайк прочитал свои стихи и ему апплодировали . Вот вам прекрасный последний день. А Уэс остался с Иллирией - какая-то его часть понимала, что она всё, что осталось от Фред, которую он любил.
Раз сам Коннор простил Ангела за то, что тот сделал с ним в "Доме", то придётся и мне . Только помогая Коннору он продал себя и свою команду В&Х. I am less forgiving about it((c) Wesley - Shells). К тому же, если бы Уэс не разбил Орлонское окно, Коннор был бы мёртв от рук Сахджана.
Хаомони повеселила своим ожидаемым предательством . Как всегда плохие дела у неё плохо получаются.
А Гамильтону явно не стоило произносить слово кровь. Тогда бы навсегда могло бы быть длиннее .
Всё, остаётся надеяться на фильмы и спиноффы, даже если они будут не этом году. И ждать Serenity.
И пусть Баффимир не угаснет - я очень на это надеюсь.
Эх, не хотела писать, пока не посмотрю, но пост Призрака подвиг меня на сочинительство. Саммери с Angel's Acolyte я прочитала два раза, капсы видела и поэтому нагло влезаю в дискуссию )
Во-первых. В последней серии Ведон так сильно врезал Ангелу, как не врезала даже Геронея во всех ее спайкфидах. То есть - просто проклял и приговорил. Лишение шаншу, по-моему - всего лишь метафорический срез реальных событий, то есть полной утраты человечности. То, чего не сделали сотни лет вампирского бытия, осуществилось за год чиновничьей практики. Корпоративный мир убивает все хорошее, что есть в личности.
Сначала Ангел разыгрывает игру - подсылает убийц к Дрогину, зная, что тот с ними справится, и таким образом обеспечит "непрямое алиби" его злодейства для проникнования в Круг. Потом ему приходится убить Дрогина по-настоящему. Выхода нет - либо Ангел его убьет, либо остальные убьют их обоих. Следующий этап падения: он использует Линдси в качестве союзника для убийства своих врагов, а потом использует своего друга Лорна для убийства ненадежного союзника Линдси.
Можно ли пасть еще ниже? Я просто не представляю себе, что могло бы быть в 6 сезоне. Многие англоязычные фаны почему-то считают, что Ведон "списал" бы Ангелу эти убийства как вынужденные меры и оставил бы его "рыцарем в сверкающих доспехах". Я в этом сильно сомневаюсь. Во первых, перед кем бы он стал сверкать? Перед Спайком и Иллирией? То-то потеха была бы! А во-вторых, Ведон все-таки не из тех авторов, кто спокойно прощает убийства. Фейт убила одного человека, и это была случайность, а последствия тянулись несколько сезонов. Уиллоу убила одного человека, к тому же законченного мерзавца и убийцу - и на ней это повисло тяжелым грузом, и висело почти до конца 7 сезона сезона, TKIM, anyone? А Ангел убил двоих - 1) друга и 2) союзника руками друга. Я не удивилась бы, если бы в 6 сезоне мы бы получили Темного Ангела в душевном варианте. И никакие примирения с Коннором ему бы не помогли.
Иллирия. Мне кажется, она стала бы самым интересным персонажем 6 сезона. Особенно если бы Фред вернули отдельно и без души. Мне почему-то кажется, что Ведон хотел сделать именно так. По крайней мере, на метафорическом уровне это прочитывается гениально. Ведон мог бы продолжить ее путь в совершенно необычном направлении: как человека, мыслящего только рациональными категориями, исключившего понятие морали и нравственности из своего багажа. Прекрасная метафора отказа чистой науки от решения нравственных дилемм. Кстати, сейчас это очень актуальная тема для американцев. Буш свернул множество программ по генной инженерии, и в прессе постоянно идут дискуссии на эту тему. Так что исследование этой проблемы на метафорическом уровне - достойная художественная задача.
Уэс... Хлюп, хлюп и еще раз хлюп. Хлюпала даже когда читала саммери. Пытаюсь понять, рассчитывал ли Ведон вернуть Уэса в следующем сезоне. И не могу.
Хармони. Какого черта? Ангел отпускает с рекомендацией вампиршу, которая завтра же начнет кусаться направо и налево, потому что она больше не работает в компании, где действует запрет на человеческую кровь? Я понимаю, что по первоначальной задумке Мерседес МакНаб нужно было как-то вписать в 6 сезон, поэтому Харм отпускали с шутками-прибаутками (чтобы спустить на тормозах глупость ангелова решения). Но когда сценаристы узнали, что 6 сезона не будет, можно было тихо-мирно распылить ее и снять с Ангела еще одно бремя - то, что он отпустил потенциальную убийцу на свободу.
Ганн. Его путь в этом сезоне был самым "производственным", поэтому я как-то не особенно прониклась его проблемами. Но вот его реплика о том, что он в этом году убил слишком мало вампиров и извинение перед Спайком - мол, я не про тебя! - это было сильно. Это такое замечательное преломление расовых стереотипов, что я преклоняюсь в немом восхищении.
Ну вот, и до Спайка дошли. Не помню, кто первый высказал эту мысль, кажется кто-то на Спарклях: Спайк - единственный член команды, который СПАСАЕТ жизнь. Остальные только убивают. Спайка в серии мало (мне его всегда мало!), но каждая его реплика - не в бровь, а в глаз. Стоит Ангелу начать евангельские параллели, как Спайк обращает их в стеб. И правильно делает - тоже мне, Ангел Иисусович! Спайк и младенец - это, по-моему, дань уважения фанфикам. Господи, сколько же я фиков на эту тему видела! И почти все совершенно нечитабельные. Но, Господи, как же это трогательно! (и, добавлю в скобках, какое же это наслаждение - писать на эту тему - неисчерпаемый потенциал для приколов!) Спайк читает свои стихи образца 1880 года. Круг описан до конца. Это и радует, и огорчает. Радует, потому что Спайк нашел себя, перестал стыдиться своего внутреннего Уильяма, потому что он может открыто сказать "Да, я нерд и этим горжусь". Огорчает, потому что я не вижу, куда его можно развивать из этой точки. Хочется верить, что Ведон найдет, куда вести его дальше, потому что нам остаются только надежды на спинофф. А если Ведон не придумает, куда развивать героя, он утратит к нему интерес и кина не будет.
А сама идея poetry slam, по-моему, была жанью уважения лицедейскому мастерству ДМ. Ведон словно говорит : "Дайте этому актеру любой, самый странный текст, самую глупую глупость - и он произнесет ее так, что ему будут аплодировать". Я почему-то вспомнила, как год назад Ведон сказал на каком-то фанатском сборище, что он написал эту безумную фразу "I'm drowning in footwear" просто от балды и рассчитывал выкинуть ее при монтаже, потому что был уверен, что она получится ужасно плохо. А получилось здорово. И Poetry slam - просто благодарность актеру и предоставление ему еще одной возможности включить свой талант на полную мощность.
В одном из последних интервью Ведон намекнул, что в шестом сезоне мы получили бы "хаос". Многие считают, что события шестого происходили бы в постапокалиптическом мире. Мне не очень в это верится, потому что это означало бы, что Ангел со товарищи всего-навсего сгубили цивилизацию из-за страха быть переваренными системой. Но что же все-таки планировал (планирует) Джосс? Будем ждать.
А насчет "Серенити" - я не думаю, что фильм будет пользоваться коммерческим успехом. Это длинная и совершенно отдельная тема, но если свести ее к одной фразе - Джосс слишком умный. Для среднестатистического зрителя нужны более глупые зрелища.
(думаю, нам стоит завести в оффтопе нитку про "Серенити" - скоро новости со съемок посыплются...)
Я еще ничего не видела, но того, что прочла и того, что рассказала Стренджер, мне хватило, чтобы понять, что я согласна с Призраком и Васкес полностью Посмотрим, что будет, когда я это увижу )
До сих пор не могу поверить, что то, чего я ждала 8 сезонов, таки свершилось - он пал.. Да простят меня ангелисты, туда ему и дорога!
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Темного Ангела в душевном варианте
Вы только себе представьте, какое великолепное и абсолютно неординарное шоу с таким главным героем могло получится! Но... Эх, слишком много "но"... Посмотрю, может, станет понятнее...
О Спайке два слова - помните, я когда-то после LMPTM или раньше говорила, что Уильям, наверное, был модернистом в своих стихах, причем таким, чье время еще не пришло. Похоже, оно пришло сейчас, понадобилось 124 года... А Спайк с ребенком на руках - весьма символично, и я бы расценивала, как намек на спин-офф - смерть вокруг и новая жизнь на руках фактически мертвого перосонажа.. Что-то в этом есть!
"В последней серии Ведон так сильно врезал Ангелу, как не врезала даже Геронея" Про то, как ему врезАла Геро ничего сказать не могу - видимо, речь идёт о спайкфидах, которые я давно перестала читать, т.к. не могу разделить чувства автора - , но с твоей фразой не согласна сразу по двум пунктам - по пункту "Ведон" (моё глубокое убеждение заключается в том, что "Ангел" мне продолжает нравится именно потому, что там нет ведоновского духа и Ведоном там не пахнет) и по пункту "врезал", т.к. я увидела именно то, что хотела бы видеть в "Баффи" и у Баффи. Вот уж точно каждый видит только то, что хочет - поэтому даже дискутировать не буду. Просто прошу занести моё мнение в протокол - для того, чтобы те, кто испытывает похожие чувства, не думали, что они одиноки.
*Вылезая из виртуального небытия* Углубляться в споры тоже не хочется (тем более, что все уже и так знают, с кем я тут согласна - Призраку и Васкез отдельное спасибо за выражение моих мыслей лучше, чем я смогла бы сама) и не жажду никому портить праздник и светлые иллюзии, но факты есть факты. Так что тоже требую занесения в протокол, что
а) Фюри, Белл, деНайт, Киршнер и даже Минеар неоднократно подтверждали, что арка на весь сезон разработана Джоссом, а к последней серии наметки им были сделаны едва ли не сразу, как объявили о продолжении шоу.
б) Четыре серии с личным участием за один год (включая, кстати, финальную) - это для Джосса, скажем так, немало: в проклинаемых последних сезонах "Баффи" он впрямую участвовал, как минимум, не больше.
Так что много или мало, а пахнет... Сочувствую, но истина дороже.
В утешение могу сообщить, что та самая противоположная нашей точка зрения на сети вполне даже распространена - статистики нет, но не удивлюсь, если ее придерживается большинство. (Правда, ввиду того, с каким усердием ДБ отпихивается от продолжений в этих интервью, меня одолевают туманные сомнения, принадлежит ли он сам к этому большинству. Ну да, конечно, он устал, у него кинокарьера *вежливо молчит на эту тему* и вообще он согласен на кинофильмы, и Сара тоже отказалась возвращаться... Но для нее это не было бы главной ролью, и приглашений у нее пока больше, а шансы на кино-"Ангела" нам всем известны. И кстати, если Сара отказалась потому, что подозревают наиболее параноидальные, то... *ехидно*).
*Уходит, тихо радуясь тому, что у Баффи НЕ кончилось так, как у Ангела - как уже сказано, каждый имеет право на свою точку зрения и предпочтение*
Date Posted: 08:46:18 05/20/04 Thu Author: shadowkat Subject: Do Not Go Gently Into That Good Night (My last review - ATs 5.22 spoilers)
Ah Angel…it’s over. This is most likely my last essay/review for a whedonverse series. A moment of silence. Okay on to my review.
Angel’s ending did not surprise me nor did it disappoint. It was much as I predicted, the Wild Bunch ending with possibly more than a touch of the charm of Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid.
The Wild Bunch and Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid are two westerns that premiered the same year: 1969. A year that has, oddly enough, a great deal in common with 2004 – we were in a horrible war that we could not extricate ourselves from. We distrusted our government. We felt unsafe. And uncertain about ourselves and our world and our place in it. The films of the late 60’s and early 70’s comment on that uncertainty much as Angel the Series comments on it today.
Both films concerned the adventures of outlaws: The Wild Bunch – which had been Butch Cassidy’s gang, at least historically, in Peckinpah's version Butch is never referenced, while Butch and Sundance, a buddy team, who remind me a great deal of Spike and Angel, only vaguely refers to the Bunch. One film, The Wild Bunch, was dark and violent, while the other, Butch, had touches of sardonic humor and quirky Burt Bachnarch tunes, like Raindrops Keep Failling on My Head. Yet, both ended the same. The aging outlaws find themselves up against impossible odds – in this case the Mexican Army. They are outgunned, out-manned and the set-up is ironically their choice. They had the option to end their retirement quietly, they could die in their beds, but like Angel and his gang, they decide to not go gently into that good night. They rage against the dying of the light and die fighting.
One of the major differences between the endings of the Wild Bunch and Butch is the final frame, how the director chooses to show that fight. In Peckinpah’s film we see each and every gory detail in slowmotion. Bullets rip through the protagonists’ bodies and we watch them die graphically upon the screen. Goldman’s film, on the other hand, takes a different route, a more elegant one in my opinion, that of the freeze frame. We don’t see the battle. We don’t see our protagonists die. What we see is their faces raised up nobly to face what is ahead. This is the shot that Whedon and Bell choose for Angel and in doing so they pay homage to the more optimistic of the two films. They also put their own imprint on it – instead of sand, we have rain, and instead of an open space, an alley, and instead of all men – a woman stands amongst them, an incredibly powerful woman, which is something that would have annoyed both Peckinpah and Goldman.
It’s a tricky ending. It certainly was back in 1969. Not bright and shiny and wrapped in a bow. It’s not an ending like most television endings, which do end “gently”. For examples see the season finals of Star Trek Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Fraiser, and Friends. Instead Angel rages against it's ending. Much like Dylan Thomas’ poem,Do not Go Gently Into That Good Night, states, and much like the two movies mentioned above. Thomas’s poem is about death and in a sense old age or the struggle against old age. Mortality. It’s also about endings. Just as the title of tonight’s episode refers to endings or rather how we deal with them.
Not Fade Away is the title of two popular rock songs. The first is the 1950’s song by Billy Holly, which some associate with his untimely death by plane crash in the late 50’s early 60’s – the event that is at the center of Don Maclean’s “The Day The Music Died”. It’s the same plane crash that killed the Big Bopper and Richie Valens – the 1950s equivalent of Justin Timberlake, and whoever else is at the top of the charts at the moment. The second is a song by The Grateful Dead, based loosely on Holly’s original lyrics, circa 1969. The song itself has a great deal in common with Dylan Thomas’ poem and William Goldman’s ending of Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid: all three deal with how we face death, how we face that final curtain, how in truth we face our own mortality.
Throughout tonight’s episode we have allusions to mortality, what it means to be human, to die, to live, and what purpose if any we find within it. Angel tells his gang to take the day off before the final battle – to do something that makes them happy. One last day. And each one does. Lorne signs a song at a club while Spike chooses to spend his reciting poetry, a much better version of an old poem to a much more appreciative crowd. In fact the new crowd is almost the complete opposite of the old one – the old one prissy academics filled with their own self-importance, the new one beefed up, tattooed, tough guys. The contrast is startling – partly because the first group discusses violence like it was art, dismissing poetry as a trivial matter or something they wish to ignore unless it is of a certain level making themselves in the process feel important by the dismissal, while the second dismisses the violence, has no interest in really discussing it, knows what it is and prefers the poetry. At any rate - Spike spends his last day much as he spent his last human one as William, sharing his art. Yet in this instance, instead of sharing it with a group of prissy fools, he shares it with a crowd of people who have seen far too much violence. Just as the death he goes out to confront – is not one he embraces gently as a lover, but rages against like a fighter, determined to live and help the world. His poetry may not be award-winning poetry, but does it matter? Really? I’ve always found criticisms on poetry to be sort of hypocritical to be honest, all poetry comes from the heart, and all of it is good or bad depending on the reader or listener. Poetry is a highly subjective art form after all.
Next is Gunn, who chooses to spend the day helping Anne, Anne who like Spike, had started her journey waiting to embrace death like a lover – but now raises her head in the sunlight and embraces life. Anne began her career as Chanterelle in Lie to Me S2 BTVS – her neck exposed to Spike’s fangs, seeing death as a better version to life. Buffy saved her, and in the process she saw what William hadn’t when he got turned, the monster. Then as a night blooming Lily, she follows an old lover down the rabbit hole to hell- an apt metaphor for her despair. This time she fights it back, by Buffy’s side, as both climb out of hell. (Anne S3 BTVS). Now having taken on the name of Anne, she has become a mother of sorts to countless runaways and troubled children ensuring they don’t follow her path and see each day as a new miracle. When Gunn asks her how she would handle being told life is meaningless and controlled by fate, she smiles and says cheerily, I’d still move my boxes to the new shelter and keep on trucking. Ann learned long ago that it’s the day to day fight that matters not the destination, which can change at a moment’s notice.
Then we have Angel and Connor. Connor is struggling to put together a resume, he is trying to find a regular job. He tells Angel that he remembers, he knows Angel is his father, and he understand why Angel did it. And he’s grateful. It’s like an old nightmare he states. And he also once again tells Angel to lighten up. An echo of Spike. See the humor in it. Connor has moved on to the “business” of living. Juxtaposed to this is Wes and Illyria – Wes still mourning Fred, Wes who of all the characters most wishes to embrace death – and hopefully through death his dead lover on the other side. He cannot see the live one in front of him, for the dead one she resembles. So he spends his last day with Illyria – in a sense – mourning Fred.
Last, we have Lindsey and Eve, and Lindsey’s comment that Eve chose to give up her “immortality” to be with him. The reverse of Darla, whom Lindsey turned immortal in order to keep. Their romance in many ways is the photo-negative of the Darla/Lindsey romance. And it ends in the reverse as well – with Lindsey dying and Eve remaining trapped at WR&H, alone.
The other allusion to mortality is the shanshue prophecy, which Angel reluctantly signs away. He lets go of it. Stating he doesn’t want to be human. Yet…one wonders. He asks Harmony if she misses it and she struggles with the idea. Not really. But wait, yes, she misses her heart beating whenever she kissed a really cool guy. She does miss that. Once again the metaphor of the un-beating/dead heart. Spike also references the prophecy, curious to know which of them will get it or if it is even an option? He’s pretty certain it isn’t but just to be sure, asks. Angel shrugs it off, stating it’s doubtful they’ll live. One wonders at this point – has Angel given up?
For an answer - we come back to the title of the piece and the Dylan Thomas poem. Not Fade Away, Do not go gentle into that good night…it’s not about giving up and it’s not about holding onto something that we shouldn’t have – such as eternal life. It’s about something else – it’s about fighting for the light. As Angel attempts to explain to Hamilton, whom he realizes can never understand: Not letting ourselves succumb to darkness and despair. Not giving in to the Wolf, the Ram, and the Hart, who attempt to manipulate the world with their strings.
Here’s the Dylan Thomas poem for those who are curious:
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
This poem makes me think of Wesley. And no, I was not surprised by his death. I figured out he was going to die last Friday actually, a friend inadvertently said something that somehow caused me to piece it together, although I think I would have figured it out anyway. It just fit. Why? Ah. Wes is the old man of the piece. Tired. Worn out. He’s been with Angel since the beginning. And he is the last of the original team, the original team that was once made up of Doyle and Cordelia, and after Doyle’s death – Wes. Angel is left to fight his final battle with the new team – Gunn, Illyria and Spike. Also as Wes, himself, states to Illyria, he has nothing to live for. He wants to die. He is the only one of the group – who I believe does. Yet, he does rage against the dying of the light. He does fight. The man he fights? Is the one responsible for both removing his painful memories and for restoring them. A Wizard of sorts, a person who lies. Wes tells Illyria, he’s tired of lies. He wants truth. He’s tired of magic, slight of hand, and illusions. But when he dies – he requests the lie, he wants the illusion. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in that dying moment, Illyria unwittingly gave him the truth?
Illyria certainly doesn’t go gentle into that good night. She’s old. Yet young. And her grief throws her, overwhelms her. Fills her with rage and passion. Had Illyria truly fallen for Wes? Was that scene the photo-negative of Fred’s death in Hole in The World? Perhaps. Illyria rages as he dies and with her fist smashes through Vail’s face just as Connor once smashed his through Jasmine another teller of lies and weaver of illusions (Peace-Out ATS S4). Also both old ones, far past their prime, taken down by one they’d under-estimated.
Life and death…are juxtaposed here with the Wes/Illyria scene and Spike and the baby. As Wes lies dying, we find Spike saving the child Angel reportedly gave to the demons. He fights them off with a quip. And the scene reminds me of another one long ago, where Angel saved a child from Darla, who requested he eat it in front of her. (Darla ATS S2). It’s also a reference to the idea of the sacrifice of innocence – Spike who’d lost his innocence in a vampire’s arms ages ago, and has taken the innocence of countless others, in this moment is saving an innocent from a similar fate. While Gunn is battling vampires and going after the senator, who represents both his past and where his desire for intellectual power may have lead him. The Senator is similar in description to Gunn’s sister, and like his sister, the woman who was once the senator is no longer in residence, a demon soul occupies her long-vacated shell. So it is fitting that Gunn, who chose at one point to become something he’s not, with implants, ends up killing a person who made a similar choice.
Meanwhile Lorne, who despises violence, is stuck watching Lindsey do his part for the team. Lindsey has agreed to join Angel’s team. Or so we are lead to believe. After all – it only makes sense that these two take down WR&H together. Except Angel refuses to give Lindsey his final moment – it is not Angel who kills Lindsey. Nor is it Angel who engages Lindsey in a final battle. That task is left to Lorne – who does it abruptly, neatly, and quickly with few words. “Wait,” Lindsey screams, “I’m on your team. Want to hear me sing?” “ No,” Lorne replies, “I’ve already heard you sing.” (Dead End S2 ATS) The master of empathy and mercy – does the opposite. It’s why Lorne isn’t in the final battle and it’s why Lorne tells Angel goodbye, you won’t see me after this and don’t look for me even if you survive. It also may be why Lorne’s opinion of their work and Angel has changed so drastically. Lorne has lost himself and falls into the passages of the demon night. The world he had hoped to leave behind him in Pylea. Retreating. While Lindsey dies moaning about Angel, like a rejected lover wishing for that last kiss, Eve stands in Angel’s office alone, lost, forlorne in her former garden.
The garden does have a betrayer, of course, and that is Harmony – who does as Angel expected, betray him. Much like Eve betrays Adam. Harmony argues she wouldn’t have if he’d shown any respect or had faith in her. And one can’t help but wonder if Harm has a point – if he had, would she have betrayed him to Hamilton? Or did Angel in effect push Harmony into doing it – so he could play out his end of the plan? It does however remind me of the first Harmony episode, Disharmony, S2 ATS, where Angel tells Cordy that Harmony will betray them – given the first good opportunity. She can’t help it. She doesn’t have a soul. Is Angel right? One isn’t sure – since people with souls betray you all the time. Or is Harmony right – his inability to have faith in her – causes her to betray him?
Angel’s final on-screen battle is of course with the Wolf, the Ram, and The Hart as represented by Hamilton. All the things Angel may have once aspired to. Power. Ambition. The great-achiever. And for a while it looks like Hamilton has the upper hand, but along comes Conner, the expression of life – who lends a hand. Connor shows up oddly enough just after Hamilton tells Angel he was a waste as a human and has accomplished nothing worthwhile. Connor, of course, is evidence to the contrary, a mortal child with a mortal life. Connor aids Angel and in doing so seals the loop on his own story. WR&H gave Connor his new life and Connor helps his father bring down their house of cards. The house of cards that had a hand in creating Connor to begin with. Connor can’t be the one to beat Hamilton of course. Nor can he really stay to watch Angel do it with the house falling down around them. Connor’s arc has ended, he must go and live his life, he must leave the business of killing behind him. He’s long since ceased being part of it. This is Angel’s fight and Angel’s fight is as always primarily with himself. Hamilton in some ways represents the dark part of himself, just as Lindsey did, and all that dark part yearned for. Immortality. Not caring about anyone. Power. Power coursing through his blood. Hamilton also represents the Powers That Be, the Senior Partners and fate. You can’t beat me – he tells Angel, I’m beyond you. Above you. But Angel does, by sucking his blood – just as he sucked Hamilton’s twin’s blood, Drogyn – one weak and one powerful. By sucking Drogyn – he gets into the circle, by sucking Hamilton he breaks the circle wide open, flipping over the game, pulling down the house, and unleashing the hordes just like the anti-heroes in those old Westerns once did ages ago.
The last scene is a fitting one - Angel in the rain, in an alley, next to three friends. It isn’t exactly an echo of the first scene in the first episode City Of , which we see in the opening credits every week – Angel walking alone in the rain in an alley, no – that came just before, where for a brief moment we really did think he’d be alone in this. But he’s not. He * never * has been. Why? Because like those Westerns of old, it’s not the fight that matters so much as our connections with one another along the way. Who is standing by our side. We may not go gentle into that good night, yet we still must go, we are mortal after all, we die and all things do come to an end even television shows – but the reason we don’t fade away is because of those connections with others. Without Anne, Connor, Harmony, Lorne, Nina and the viewers…there would be no one to remember and Angel would fade away. Just like if it weren’t for the Grateful Dead and Don Maclean – Buddy Holly’s words and his memory might have faded away.
I enjoyed the episode. And I will miss this series. But I think this was a satisfying ending to it. Not perfect. But TV seldom is.
Хочу добавить, что Иллирия, похоже была права в предпоследней серии - все симптомы коррупции у Ангела налицо: A corrupted ruler on such a path sees treachery and betrayal all around him. He cannot suffer intimates and will eventually turn against them. Прямо как злодеи у Батчера он избавляется от ненадёжных (по его мнению) союзников. И ещё интересно: он правда причисляет себя к тем, кто care about anithing? А то как он выпил кровь Гамильтона вовсе не означает разрыв круга - Ангел тем самым стал не лучше Гамильтона. И дело не самой выпитой крови, а в том, что это означает - чтобы победить монстра надо самому стать таким же.
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