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Спойлеры и рассуждения

1. Почему хронология пятого сезона сдвинута ровно на четыре месяца назад?

а) сценаристам необходимо, чтобы события финала происходили в январе 2004 (то есть через 8 месяцев после Chosen)
и) это просто оплошность вроде "потерянного месяца" в середине 7 сезона "Баффи"

2. Почему к матери Лайлы вернулась память сразу же после того как Уэс убил отца?

а) их души встретились на высшем уровне бытия, и теперь мама Лайлы вернулась с посланием от Роджера Уиндэма-Прайса к Уэсли или ко всей Банде Клыка
б) просто совпадение

3. Почему амулет и материализующее волшебство были посланы по почте?

а) бюджетные ограничения
б) Сценаристы не нашли другого способа подсунуть Хармони Спайку в момент его материализации

4. Зачем сценаристы спаривают Спайка и Хармони?

а) они намерены радикально переписать обоих персонажей и сделать их них "комическую разрядку" шоу
б) они готовы принести Хармони в жертву гнева фанатов для того, чтобы другие кандидатуры в "девушки Спайка" (Фред, Ева) казались бы фанам более приемлемым

5. Почему в чаше страданий оказалась Mountain Dew?

а) Если это идея Джосса Ведона - чаша страданий окажется настоящей, что бы в ней ни находилось. Ведон не раз говорил, что в его понимании "цель путешествия - в самом путешествии". В соответствии с этим кредо единственное, что имеет значение - то, что Спайк все-таки выпил эту чашу. Можно начинать готовиться к тому, что Спайка снова будут мучить...
б) Если это идея Дэвида Фьюри - значит, чаша страданий - всего лишь "оживляж", дешевый предлог для демонстрации драки двух крутых мачо

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(Ьудленно приходя в себя после новогодне

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Геро, привет! Кстати, уже появились капсы из промки

http://www.and-then-some.com/vidcaps.html

и сама промка (формат wmv, 812 кб)
http://www.and-then-some.com/videos.html

Качество не ахти, первые 3-4 секунды с помехами - но, как сказала бы Хармони, не мечите бисер перед дареным конем...
Хозяйка сайта Tara предупреждает, что промка будет лежать там очень недолго, так что, если хотите закачать - не откладывайте! А впрочем, думаю, что скоро промка появится где-нибудь в лучшем качестве

Немножко текстовых новостей
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|85439|1|,00.html

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Although he did a musical episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," writer/producer Joss Whedon has shown no interest in doing the same on its spin-off, The WB's "Angel," which stars David Boreanaz as a vampire with a soul seeking redemption by doing good.
One cast member that wishes Whedon would reconsider is Sarah Thompson, who joined "Angel" this season in the recurring role of Eve, a young woman with mysterious links to dark forces.

"I'd like to sing on the show," she says, "because I'm a singer. I grew up doing musical theater."

Not that there hasn't been singing from time to time on "Angel." Assorted people have warbled -- including Angel, who has a penchant for Barry Manilow songs -- for the mind-reading demon Lorne (Andy Hallett), himself a Vegas-style lounge singer. Christian Kane, who recently returned to the role of the evil lawyer Lindsey, sang a song in Lorne's club in one episode -- a tune written by series co-creator David Greenwalt.
And there's plenty of talent to go around. Besides Hallett, an accomplished performer, and Kane (who has his own Southern rock band, Kane), there's James Marsters, who plays vampire Spike. He also has a band, Ghost of the Robot, and showed off his vocal prowess in the "Buffy" musical.

"I haven't told Joss [that I sing]," Thompson says. "I want to tell him. I figure, with Lorne's character, they could somehow work it in. You know how he can read people's minds if they sing? Maybe he could do that to me to get information out of Eve."

After garnering attention as Dana Poole on FOX's high-school drama "Boston Public," Thompson suddenly finds herself with two series at once. Along with her job on "Angel," she also has a recurring role as the hooker Bambi on the ABC drama "Line of Fire."

"It's cool," she says. 'You go for months without working, doing a little thing here or there, then you get two jobs at once."

On "Angel," Eve is romancing Lindsey, her partner in some unspecified evil plot, and on "Line of Fire," she's involved with a hunky FBI undercover agent, played by Anson Mount.

"I've got my own wonderful guy at home," Thompson says, "but working with them makes the day go by smoother."

Thompson even found herself keeping a big "Angel" secret. In the last original episode that aired, "Destiny," Kane's return as Lindsey -- who left "Angel" a couple of seasons ago -- was only revealed in the last moment of the final scene.

"I didn't know about it until the last minute," Thompson says. "It wasn't in the original script. It was a secret scene. I heard rumors there were going to be a big reveal, but I didn't know what was going to happen. David Boreanaz was like, 'Maybe you're going to turn out to be a lizard.' Everyone was throwing up crazy ideas.

"So finally, one day, an envelope arrives in my trailer. It's confidential, and I open it. It's the secret scene, for your eyes only, don't let anyone know. I wanted to tell people, tell my friends, my boyfriend, 'I'm evil!' but I couldn't. I had to keep my mouth shut."

Although she's been shuttling back and forth between shows, Thompson says she doesn't get confused. "I'm focused on wherever I am. When I'm working on 'Angel,' I'm not thinking about the other show, and vice versa."

She's had love scenes on both shows (including a magic-induced romp with Angel), but Thompson still has one wish: "A fight scene?"


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Ооо... Спасибо. По описанию все немного... попсово, но все же очень хотелось бы посмотреть ролик... на безрыбье и рак рыба (А откуда дровишки? )



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"You’re human,You’re alive!"


Как-то это не радует. Если Спайк таки станет human - не радует, потому что я этого не хочу (и думаю, не я одна) Но вряд ли это в самом деле случится, конечно.
А если не станет, или побудет и перестанет - не радует, потому что такой сюжетный ход выглядит не слишком свежим и вообще слишком предсказуем. Впрочем, пока рано что-то предполагать, особенно опираясь на рекламу.




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Geroneja(01/01/04 16:27:57)

Откуда дровишки? Из лесу, вестимо Судя по всему, Cross and Stakes )) Что же касается хьюманизированного Спайка - посмотри топик Спойлеры 12-й серии, там ну все подряд написано, включая наши измышления на тему ))

Васкес, привет С Новым годом )
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VasquezE(01/03/04 05:39:33)

Дровишки и пр.

Дровишки от девушки Тары, ярой Б\А-шипперши, но тем не менее вполне вменяемой особы, хотя и с некоторыми странностями. Года полтора назад она почти убедила всех уток, что Коннор - ребенок Ангела и Баффи. И очень логично это доказала.

А вот и кое-что новенькое:

Нашла на Спарклях
http://members.shaw.ca/almosthuman99/babeofthemonthman.html

Голосование на "самого красивого мужчину месяца". Угадайте, кого выбрали?

Новые фотографии
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=4339

Обратите внимание - а Спайк-то в рубашечке!

Немножко спойлерное интервью с Винсентом Картайзером

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news03/031231c.php

Vincent on Connor's "Angel" Fate
Posted: Wednesday Dec. 31, 2003 11:45pm (Au-EST)
Author: Garth Franklin

In the last two seasons of "Angel", our lead character had a son played by young pin-up actor Vincent Kartheiser. The guy didn't survive the show rejuvenation though earlier this year, the character in fact has been made to forget his true heritage. Will he ever return though? That was the question posed to Vincent in the show's official mag.

Question: Would you like to come back from time to time?

VK: Yes. It's sensitive question, but I would love to come back. To tell you honestly, this is the best group of people I've ever worked with. I'm saying 'people' - as artists, they're very accomplished and as people their set was so was so pleasant and I had so much fun, I really made some good friends there. It was nice for me to have that stability in life. I'm really going to miss that, and I'm really going to miss some of the opportunities that it gave me too, to stretch and to try some things. But I'm also looking forward to going on and trying new stuff. I never really wanted to do five seasons, so one season I feel was nice. And hopefully they do want me back. Tim [Minear] spoke to me about bringing me back for a few episodes, and I would definitely do that.

Question: We don't know how he'll end up with his new family....

VK: Yeah, hopefully we'll see that arc. That's the thing with Angel: I could presume everything I wanted, and chances are it's going to be totally different than that. rent than that.

Kartheiser has been keeping busy, having worked on a new film entitled "Dandelion" which has an official site which is now active.

Шуточные предсказания на 2004 год с форума

http://www.voy.com/14567/3022.html

Date Posted: 22:34:03 01/01/04 Thu
Author: cjl (gazing into his crystal ball)
Subject: The Upcoming Year for Joss, Mutant Enemy and Friends

January 15 - Joss officially announces he's signed a two-year contract with Marvel to write New X-Men. He says he'll have no problem squeezing it into his schedule.

January 23 - Universal green lights Firefly.

February 11 - Angel's 100th episode draws a 5.2 Nielsen rating. Joss is ecstatic, and tells reporters the uptick proves that the fans are behind the new direction for the series. When asked if a specific, one-time only factor might have influenced the ratings, Joss looks confused.

February 21 - Venetian Heat is back on; James Marsters prepares to leave for Italy during the spring break in ANGEL shooting.

February 27 - "Scooby Doo 2" opens, earns $27 million at the box office during the first week--then nosedives.

March 4 - Alyson Hannigan and Luke Perry take London's West End by storm in the stage version of "When Harry Met Sally." Alexis Denisof flies over to support Aly, and roars with laughter at the "fake orgasm" scene. Then, after thinking about it for a moment, he noticeably stops laughing.

March 7 - Wonderfalls is postponed indefinitely.

March 12 - Anthony Stewart Head guest stars as Tru Davies' father in Tru Calling. Ratings drop below 3.0. Fox immediately renews Tru Calling for a second season. Police report an inhumanly loud shriek of frustration coming from Tim Minear's house in Northern California.

March 20 - Venetian Heat is back off.

April 7 - Preproduction starts on "Firefly: The Movie." Universal execs are delighted with the script, but make some minor suggestions about the new sets. Joss says, "No problem."

April 14 - Joss falls one month behind on New X-Men.

April 27 - Jordan Levin, president of the WB, renews the Jamie Kennedy Experiment, Run of the House, and Grounded for Life, calling them "integral parts of the WB family." At a WB affiliates meeting, Levin promises a new slate of exciting new dramas for the 2004-2005 season.

April 28 - Jordan Levin apologizes to Joss, claiming that Joss' invitation to the WB affiliates meeting got "lost in the mail."

May 9 - Fresh from her London run, Alyson Hannigan films her pilot ("Aly!") for NBC, a half-hour sitcom about a single girl trying to find love and happiness in New York City. Nicholas Brendon has a cameo as her ex-boyfriend. Joss and Amber Benson applaud from backstage. Charisma Carpenter is spotted in the audience, angrily scarfing down an entire bag of mallomars.

May 19 - In the spectacular, heartbreaking fifth season finale of ANGEL (written by Joss, Minear and Stephen DeKnight and directed by David Boreanaz), Angel sacrifices himself to save the Fang Gang and Connor by switching the mindwipe to erase all memory of his own existence. Unfortunately, the mindwipe carries over to real life, as the WB forgets to renew the series.

May 27 - Thousands of outraged e-mails and postcards flood the WB mailroom. Jordan Levin responds to the fan furor by calling ANGEL "a testament to Joss Whedon's genius, and a mark of honor for our network."

June 1 - The WB officially cancels ANGEL.

June 19 - The cast reports to the set of "Firefly: The Movie." Universal execs are delighted by the initial footage, but wonder if Ron Glass is "too old" to play Shepherd Book. Joss has no comment.

July 7 - Joss falls two months behind on New X-Men. Uncanny X-Men co-creators Chris Claremont and John Byrne are arrested after a knockdown, drag-out brawl at a restaurant in Manhattan. Marvel editor-in-chief Joe Quesada's calm, dispassionate assessment of the situation: "I'm screwed."

July 13 - In an interview with People magazine, Sarah Michelle Gellar says she doesn't understand why Joss never invited her back to ANGEL.

July 23 - All six of the WB's new dramas for the fall 2004 season elicit near universal hostility from test audiences. (One of the more favorable responses: "I will come to Los Angeles and burn your offices to the ground if you put this crap on the air.") Jordan Levin tells Variety he "may have to rethink the fall lineup."

August 16 - Stephen Collins quits Seventh Heaven, citing "nervous exhaustion."

August 17 - The WB returns Joss' phone calls for the first time in two months.

August 29 - The WB agrees to renew ANGEL under the following conditions: 1) Fox and Mutant Enemy have to cut the budget $250,000 per episode; 2) Charisma Carpenter has to rejoin the cast; and 3) James Marsters must appear naked at least twice during the first half of the season.

September 3 - Fox and Mutant Enemy agree to reassemble the cast and resume production of ANGEL under the following conditions: 1) The WB pays an extra $250,000 a season for the series; James Marsters no longer has to dye his hair; and 3) Jordan Levin has to quack like a duck over the closing credits of the season premiere.

September 7 - The WB agrees to all three conditions; ANGEL is back for Season 6.

September 18 - "Aly!" is given a much-coveted time slot, Thursdays at 8:30 p.m, after the Friends spinoff, "Joey!"

September 29 - SMG agrees to appear on ANGEL during November sweeps.

October 2 - Joss falls four months behind on New X-Men.

October 14 - ANGEL Season Six debuts; ratings are the highest ever for a season opener. "Aly!" debuts on NBC, but loses 66% of the audience from its lead-in.

October 25 - Alexis Denisof is signed to play Reed Richards in the upcoming Fantastic Four movie.

October 30 - Universal execs see the first cut of the Firefly movie, and ask Joss to "punch it up." Joss says he'll "see what he can do."

November 5 - "Aly!" is cancelled.

November 12 - Joss falls five months behind on New X-Men.

November 17 & 24 - A mindwiped Buffy meets Angel (who is once again a P.I. working out of a seedy office in downtown Los Angeles), giving false hope to thousands of die-hard B/A
shippers. The B/A/S triangle is revisited with a new twist, but--of course--Buffy leaves without resolving anything. Ratings go through the roof.

December 1 - A depressed Alyson Hannigan hangs around the ANGEL set for days at a time, sobbing into David Fury's lap, and constantly updating Alexis on merchandising deals and sequel rights for his upcoming movie. Some of the newer crew members start to call her "Yoko."

December 15 - Tru Calling's rating dip to 2.0. Fox renews it for the rest of the season.

December 27 - Universal re-cuts the Firefly movie, despite a contract guaranteeing Joss "final cut." Joss and Terry Gilliam raid Universal's main offices in Los Angeles and hold the entire board of directors hostage.

а это уже без шуток
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2003-12/23/11.00.film

Firefly Film Details Hinted

Joss Whedon, creator of the defunct Fox SF TV show Firefly, told SCI FI Wire that his proposed series-based feature film will aim at an audience that has never seen the show, but will also contain "big giant payoffs" for faithful fans. Whedon (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) added that he's finishing up the script for the proposed movie.

"It is still just that, a possible film," Whedon said in an interview at the Los Angeles Comic Book and Science Fiction Convention. "We have a good chance, actually. It looks like it's a real possibility. But more than that I cannot say. ... I don't want to jinx anything."

Whedon acknowledged that it seems odd to try to mount a movie based on a failed television show (Fox canceled Firefly after airing only 11 of the 14 produced episodes). But, he added, referring to his hit Buffy TV series, "It also seems unusual to want to mount a show from a failed film, so you know unusual is sort of my stock in trade. The only reason I'm doing this is because I believed that there was a story to tell that I had not had the opportunity to tell. And I believed that I didn't want to work with anybody except these guys for a long while. So ... there was just too much to give away."

Whedon declined to say which of the series' many loose threads he would tie up in the movie. Some of those include the secret behind the Blue Sun Corp. and its interest in River (Summer Glau); the secret behind Shepherd Book's (Ron Glass) past; the unresolved romantic tension between Capt. Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) and Inara (Morena Baccarin); and the unresolved romantic tension between Simon (Sean Maher) and Kaylee (Jewel Stait).

"There are about 400 things I'd like to see wrapped up in the film," Whedon said. "Unfortunately, then it becomes a miniseries. And so there are certain threads that this follows up on very heavily, and certain ones that it drops entirely. Because you have to pick and choose if it's a movie. ... Obviously, the movie is more epic than the show. There's big action stuff and all kinds of hijinks, but the ... development of the relationships and who these people are and why they belong together is always going to be the point." Firefly: The Complete Series was released on DVD on Dec. 9.

Отчет о конвенции в Великобритании, где присутствовали Кристиан Кейн и Стефани Романофф
http://www.cityofangel.com/behindTheScenes/bts4/senPartners.html

И еще очень забавная статья (хотя и недельной давности) из Miami New Times насчет фанатских конвенций Vulcon

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2003-12-25/feature.html/1/index.html

Я потырила оттуда кусочки, касающиеся ДМ на последней конвенции:

many of these women are no doubt hoping to see headliner James Marsters, who plays Spike, the often bare-chested and brooding vampire who became the only one to cross over to Buffy's spinoff, Angel, as a primary character.

Rumor has it that on Friday night, a group of impetuous females concluded that the actor was in one of the hotel's ballrooms and removed the door from its hinges.

Because of such adoration, Marsters has been put up at a different hotel. On Saturday afternoon he arrives at the Hilton -- his hair dyed blond, as it is in the show, his cheekbones dramatic -- for his 3:30 p.m. autograph session. Fans fill the ballroom to capacity while waiting to join a queue that moves row by row, hour by hour, into an adjoining room where a police officer and security guard are patient and protective. Marsters likes to take his time with his fans. Martinez and Motes are in charge of threading this tangle of people into an orderly line that ends, for many, in something of a dream -- tears well in their eyes, their hands tremble -- as they meet the mortal behind the fangs.
Soon Marsters will tear himself away, after having stayed more than an hour after his scheduled appearance was to end. When the sky is dark, he heads back to his own hotel to change for the convention banquet, which sold out almost immediately online. In the main ballroom, where the buffet-style dinner will take place, the heads that already fringe the white tablecloths are almost all female.
On the last day of this convention, Marsters returns to a secured convention room for another day of signing. When one young woman reaches him, the two hug. She refuses to let go, clinging to the actor as if he were the last rooted tree in a tornado, even as others try to pry her away. It's an embarrassing moment for everyone, especially since the young woman is a member of the Vulkon volunteer staff.

И еще интересный кусочек оттуда же:

In general, the Vulkon promoters acknowledge, Buffy fans spend more money to meet and obtain signatures from their favorite stars. Because of this, Vulkon began offering $40 personal photo opportunities with the headliners at Buffy conventions. Star Trek fans wouldn't pay the money for similar photo opportunities, says Martinez. "The problem we often find with Buffy cons is the availability of different stars," he adds. "How many Buffy cons there'll be and how long the interest lasts will depend on how much the stars are available." Gellar doesn't attend the conventions, and David Boreanaz, the actor who plays Angel, wants more than Vulkon will pay.

Все, пошла переводить интервью ДМ в новом номере "Ангела"...


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Васкес, большущее спасибо ))

Коннор - ребенок Ангела и Баффи?? )) Мдя-м, ну-ну )

А шутки у этих товарищей злые! Особеннов плане Эли, и за что ж они ее так? А вот по поводу "Итальянской жары" - я бы написала точно также, пожалуй, хотя хочется очень! ) Но самая жестокая штука - это финал "Ангела" 19 мая. Что опять, да? Почему всегда мой день рождения??? В прошлом году все бегали, потому что уже была в Сети последняя серия "Баффи", не дай Боже в этом году будет тоже самое ))

А фотки интересные, может, опять себе аватарку поменять?? )


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Насчет фото - уже появились версии, что если снимок Энди Халлета поместили без грима, может быть, он сыграет еще кого-нибудь? А то он в последнее время почти не напрягается - пройдет по экрану, болтая по сотовому телефону - и до свидания!

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Так Энди и раньше без гримма был, во всяком случае, в более ранних промо-фотках этого сезона был точно, у меня где-то есть, а вообще - красиво пойти в мобильным телефоном тоже надо уметь )) Но если серьезно, то было бы очень даже неплохо, если бы он сыграл кого-то еще ))


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Не знаю, куда бы это пихнуть, пусть будет здесь, Херк подвел итоги года:
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Спасибо Геро, Херк всегда неровно дышал к обоим шоу...

Немного новостей за последние дни.
WtP написал довольно забавный пост, и поскольку спойлеров все равно нет, утешимся хотя бы тем, что есть

Happy holidays, everyone. I've scanned through the massive number of
posts at the StakeHouse ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_stakehouse )

once more and found many of the ideas posted there interesting and
creative. I was especially struck by the amusing and creative "script
segment" penned by Linda Barlow that gave a look ahead to how this
season will end . . .

. . . quite amusing, Linda. 'Nuff said.

It amused me so much, in fact, that I tapped into mystical sources and
called upon demonic intercessors in order to see if I could gather any
further information about what would be happening this year in future
episodes. Unfortunately, I must report dismal failure.

. . . probably that aversion I have to spoilers kicking in.

. . . especially since what I *did* come up with were some deleted
scenes that you're not likely to ever see aired on Angel.

. . . truth to tell, though, they were mildly amusing, so I decided
some of you may be interested in being amused yourselves.

Just remember -- and this is your official warning -- the scenes
contained in this post are for amusement value only and do not purport
to be actual scenes from upcoming episodes of the show. Any
resemblance between these scenes and any actual scenes on Angel: The
Series is purely coincidental.

(Oh, and my second standard disclaimer applies as well. Any reposting
of this material anywhere else should please include the link to Kat's
StakeHouse board as a courtesy since she affords me a place to post
without fear of imitation.)

And now . . . things you are *not* likely to see in the coming weeks.
*veg*


1. ----------------


ACT II

21 INT. ANGEL'S OFFICE - DAY

Resume. ANGEL, WESLEY, GUNN, FRED, LORNE and HARMONY are watching the
newscast on the HD TELEVISION.


HARMONY
They've got two S.W.A.T. teams
called in already and I think I
heard them say they're calling
out the National Guard. I thought
you'd want to know about it.


WESLEY
What is it?
Terrorists?


HARMONY
No, that's the weird part.
(Off their looks)
The reporter said that it
was just one kid.


GUNN
One kid did all that damage?
(beat)
Some kid.


FRED
Turn up the sound.


LORNE looks at ANGEL and notices that he's still in shock. He starts
to ask what's wrong, then thinks better of it and reaches for the
TELEVISION REMOTE and turns up the sound as we move CLOSE IN on the
REPORTER.


REPORTER
. . . evacuated and the Mayor's office has announced that they have
requested help from the National Guard. The suspect has been
identified as Steven Rogers, a freshman college student at U.C.L.A.
who was being questioned in the death of his girlfriend, Ms. Tracy
Glass. According to reports, Rogers broke free in some way from a
holding cell in police headquarters and fled to the mall where he is
holding over a dozen shoppers hostage. No official statement has been
released by the police, but reliable sources indicate that nine
officers died during the escape and several others were seriously
injured.


Pull back to reveal the reporter at the mall scene, then STEADICAM to
simulate a shaky handheld newscam shot that pans the fleeing crowd
until it reveals CONNOR peeking out from a store holding a SHOTGUN.


GUNN (V.O.)
Is this really a problem for us?
Looks like the police have it in hand.


WESLEY (V.O.)
Yes, I agree.
(beat)
I wouldn't be surprised if he's in some
sniper's scope even as we speak. It should
all be over in another minute or two.


REVERSE on ANGEL watching the scene on the HDTV then slowly CLOSE IN
on his face.


ANGEL
(Horrified, to himself)
No.


GUNN
(Off Angel's look)
What's up, boss?
You know something we don't know?


And at that moment, as if on cue (which it is), we hear a GUNSHOT and
all heads turn to look at the HDTV and off that,


ANGEL
(shocked and scared)
Connor . . .


FRED
(Looking at Angel)
Huh?
(then to the gang)
Who's Connor?


SMASH CUT TO:

(I wish I could continue, but things become a bit blurry at this
point. *gr*)


2. ----------------

PUSH IN on the bed to show the sheets twisting as someone writhes
under them. Its that dream again, we realize as we FADE SLOWLY TO
WHITE and DISSOLVE into the dream sequence.


SPIKE
Come on, hero. Tell me more.
(punches Angel)
Teach me what it means.
(punches Angel)
And I'll tell you why you can't stand the bloody sight of me.
(punches Angel)


Angel staggers back into a STACK OF BARRELS, which break open
showering him with OIL (Salad, not Automotive.) More oil cascades
across the floor. Angel lunges forward and tackles Spike, pulling him
down to the floor.


ANGEL
(punches Spike)
Tell it to your therapist.
(punches Spike)


Spike struggles to get free and pulls away. Angel grabs his shirt and
pulls, ripping it off him. Spike falls to the floor and rolls away,
then rises to his feet with oil glistening on his bare chest. He
dives at Angel and knocks him to the ground, then bashes Angel's head
against the ground.


SPIKE
(punches Angel)
'Cause every time you look at me...
(punches Angel)
you see all the dirty little things I've done,
(punches Angel)
all the lives I've taken...
(punches Angel)
because of you! Drusilla sired me...
(punches Angel)
but you... you made me a monster.
(punches Angel)


Angel rolls free, leaving Spike holding only the shreds of Angel's
shirt. Spike jumps after him, but slips in the oil and skids across
the floor on his stomach. Angel staggers to his feet and carefully
walks to where Spike is laying, then kicks him hard in the ribs. Spike
groans, but Angel looses his footing and falls on his back. Spike and
Angel carefully rise, facing each other, glistening oil dripping from
their manly torsos.


SPIKE
(overwhelmed)
Damn you . . .


And then Angel rushes forward and PUSHES him hard, knocking Spike to
the ground. Angel straddles him, GRINDING against him. He supports
himself on his arms, bringing his face down close to Spike's.

Spike pulls Angel's arms out from under him, so that he falls on his
chest. He rolls him over, so that now he's on top of Angel.


SPIKE

Oh Angel. Angel I lo . . .


SMASH CUT TO:


INT. SPIKE'S APARTMENT - EARLY MORNING


Spike BOLTS up in bed.


Next to him lies a sleeping Harmony. Spike's eyes are wide with terror
as he realizes what his dream means. He stares ahead, sick with the
knowledge. He moans in utter torment:

SPIKE
God, no.

PUSH IN on Spike's face.

SPIKE
Please, no.

BLACK OUT.

END OF SHOW


3. ----------------

13 INT. SPIKE'S APARTMENT - NIGHT

Furniture has been overturned and the place basically upended. Bits of
broken glass or pottery and a broken prop or two are visible on the
floor. Pan over the destruction to reveal SPIKE on his knees on the
floor.


SPIKE
Everything that's happened . . .
(beat)
Everything . . .


EVE
Darn Skippy.
You really think they'd
leave something as big
as this to chance?


SPIKE
(Smashing both hands against the floor)
NO!
(beat)
It was MY decision.
I'm nobody's puppet!

EVE
Think again, Pinocchio.
Free will is for the little decisions
like what to have for lunch.
(beat)
What's at stake here, pardon the choice of words,
is just too important to certain interested parties
for them not to have taken a hand.
(flash to SPIKE's outstretched arms from EVE's POV)
Or two.

SPIKE sinks down on the floor as EVE walks closer to him.

EVE
All part of the plan, Stan.
You were needed to push Angel over the edge
and make that dark soul prophecy come true.
(beat)
You could say that the chips were stacked
against you from the start.

On SPIKE from EVEs POV. SPIKE remains silent and we are led by
STEADICAM as EVE slowly walks in a circle around him. PUSH IN on
SPIKE's face to show his absolute despair as everything she has told
him sinks in and he realizes that it is all true.

EVE (V.O.)
Of course, who knew that it'd work so well.
And the soul . . . well, that was just icing
on the cake, wasn't it?

Reverse on EVE as SPIKE looks up at her

EVE
But don't kid yourself, champ.
You've had strings on you just like
all the others. They've got you right
where they want you. Right where you
believe you belong.


SPIKE
Why are you telling me all this?
More torture?


EVE
Guess again, blue eyes.
Know how there are two sides to every story?


SPIKE
(puzzled)
What do you . . .


EVE
I work for the third side.

FADE TO BLACK


4. ----------------


30 INT. ANGEL'S APARTMENT - NIGHT

STEADICAM LEADS into the apartment around furniture to show the bed
with bodies moving under the sheets. One head pops out from under the
sheets and we move in closer to frame ANGEL's face (sweaty) with the
rest of his torso concealed under the sheets (sorry ladies).

ANGEL
Whew!
(beat)
Okay, stop for a bit.
Even the undead need recovery time.

Muffled laughter from underneath the sheets.

ANGEL
I can't believe how happy I am.
(beat)
Lucky Willow was able to re-ensoul me without the happiness clause
attached or we'd be in real trouble here.

The sheets writhe in a suitably suggestive fashion and as the action
gets more NC-17 we move CLOSE IN on Angel's face (also writhing
suggestively).

ANGEL
Ohhh! I said to STOP that!
(beat)
That's REALLY not playing fair.

More muffled laughter from beneath the sheets.

ANGEL
We have a long time ahead of us now.
(beat)
Plenty of time for this.
You know . . .

Muffled sound of inquiry from out of frame.

ANGEL
When we first . . .
(beat)
. . . I mean, the first time that . . .
(beat)
you know . . . you're the same age as your sister when . . .


DAWN
(head popping up into frame, enraged look on face)
I KNEW you'd bring her into this . . .
(beat)
Get out! Get OUT! GET OUT!!!!

BLACKOUT


5. ----------------


33: OMITTED

Cut to:

34 EXT. ANGEL'S OFFICE - NIGHT

The DOOR closes and CORDELIA turns away from it, a look of sadness
still on her face. As we move CLOSE IN on her face, the look changes
to satisfaction and the trace of a smile. Hold on that smile as we
MORPH into:

LILAH
Well
(beat)
THAT went well.

BLACKOUT

END OF SHOW

----------------


And that's the end of these little amusements. I would have dug up a
few more for you to mull over, but Time is pressing on me at the
moment.

I hope you find them amusing.

So a Happy New Year to all of you, and as you count down the minutes
and hours until the next new episode appears to dazzle and delight
you, remember that not everything you hear is necessarily true . . .

. . . and not everything you see is necessarily what you think it is.


WilliamthePoet

. . . reminding you that everything depends on how you look at it, and
on how much you really, really want it.

Новое интервью Кристиана Кейна

tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial...1|,00.html

Christian Kane Takes Direction from 'Angel'
(Monday, January 05 10:22 AM)
By Kate O'Hare


LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - At the end of the last original episode of 2003 for The WB's "Angel," a Nov. 19 installment called "Destiny," longtime fans were treated to a final scene that reintroduced one of the series' most popular recurring characters.
Throughout the run of the show, Angel (David Boreanaz), the vampire with a soul, has been at odds with the evil law firm of Wolfram & Hart, foiling their plans while trying to help the helpless in Los Angeles. Last season, W&H appeared to fold, handing over its L.A. office to Angel and his team.

One of Angel's early foes at W&H was Lindsey McDonald (Christian Kane), an ambitious lawyer with a lot to prove. He also had a teeny bit of a conscience and occasionally took Angel's side. Lindsey eventually left town in a battered pickup truck two seasons ago and was not seen again -- until "Destiny," when a very tattooed Lindsey appeared to be in cahoots with Eve (Sarah Thompson), Angel's mysterious liaison to W&H's unseen Senior Partners.

"It's good to have Christian back," Boreanaz says. "He's my bud. It's all good. He's a great guy. I have fun with him, the tiny Texan. I was the one who recommended it. I told Joss [series executive producer Joss Whedon] to bring him back. I told Christian I wanted him back. I initiated it at the beginning of this season, and it came to fruition."
After his brief scene in "Destiny," Kane's first full episode is "Soul Purpose," currently scheduled for Jan. 21. In that, Lindsey makes contact with Spike (James Marsters), the other vampire with a soul, now working with Angel. It also marks Boreanaz's debut as a director.

"It's not funky at all," Kane says of being back. "The character's very familiar to me. I don't have a problem with it. It was a little weird when I walked back the first episode, and Boreanaz directed. This guy, when he was single, we were out drinking beer until the sun comes up.

"All of a sudden, I'm walking in, taking direction from him, which was probably one of the best times I've ever had. He had an idea for what he wanted, and it was great. He really trusts me, I think he trusts James, so he let us run."

Kane did, though, have some requirements for his return. "I was in New York doing 'Taxi' with Queen Latifah, and Joss called and said, 'Hey, Whaddyah think about coming back on "Angel"?' Right off the bat, I said, 'Absolutely. I always would have.'

"But I told them, I didn't want to get beat up by chicks anymore. I still would have done it, even if he said, 'Every girl on the show's going to beat you up,' I would have said, 'No problem,' because I still want to work with him, and I still want to work with Boreanaz.

"I got beat up by everybody -- Darla, Drusilla. I was sick of it. But it's a new Lindsey now. In the past, I wasn't comfortable sometimes playing it, because everybody else got to be a superhero, and I was just a suit. But this is now probably one of the most fun roles I've played."

As for the tattoos, Kane says, "I can't give anything up, man. I went online the other day, and people are already onto them. I can't tell you what they are or anything, but they have a big part, obviously, or they wouldn't be on."

The episode also gave Kane -- who has his own Southern rock band, Kane -- the opportunity to do a little jamming with Marsters, who plays in a band called Ghost of the Robot.

"As soon as we're off the set," Kane says, "and we've got a little time, he comes over, or I'll go over to where he's at, we'll jump in somebody's trailer, and me and him will just trade songs back and forth on the guitar.

"He's got this little bitty amp that I've been trying to get him to get me one. We just sit there and trade songs. We should do a show together."

There just might be a record deal in Kane's future, but it might entail a move to Nashville.

"That's where the deal is," Kane says. "That's where some of the writers are that they want us to write with. Hopefully we don't have to move. If they say, 'Here's a record deal, let's make a record,' then I'll definitely take however much time off that's needed, if it's six months to a year."

Even if he does have to spend some time in Music City, Kane says it won't change the band's sound. "Just because they move me to Nashville doesn't mean that I'll play country."

И небольшая статья о ДМ из TV Guide (там нужно регистрироваться, поэтому я даже ссылку не даю)

Angel's James Marsters Rocks On
by Daniel R. Coleridge

After Buffy the Vampire Slayer bit the dust, creator Joss Whedon hired James Marsters to join Buffy's spin-off, Angel. How does he like playing Spike, the semi-reformed British bloodsucker, on a whole other series?


"I'm really pleased they have a TV show to put me on, baby!" Marsters tells TV Guide Online. "I like acting. I'm so happy I don't have to go look for projects like all my friends from Buffy do. I'm sure they'll find them, but I've got my plate full right here and I love it."

When he's not on Angel's set, the actor performs with his band, Ghost of the Robot. His appearance on stage — leather jacket and slicked-back platinum hair — isn't much different from Spike's look. Does his easy recognition as a TV star help Marsters lure rock and roll aficionados to concerts?

"We were afraid of a double-edged sword, which is that people will come listen to you, but no one will take you seriously if you're a celebrity band," he says with a smirk. "But we've toured all over the U.S. and Europe, and everywhere we go, people say, 'Right on, dudes! Your music actually is good!'"

Life as an almost rock star isn't all a joyride. It takes work. "I'm the lead singer," Marsters says. "I write about 40 percent of the material. In the beginning, I played rhythm guitar, too, but to play and front a band is hard. Because the frontman has to connect with an audience. You have to give them permission to release and exalt, even though they're standing in the middle of a crowd of sweaty strangers.

"I also have new respect for bands who sound good live on tour," he says with a grin. "I didn't realize that, singing for rock, you have to sing loud. My singing has improved enormously because it's a physical effort. I've got to stand a certain way, spread my ribs and really let it out!"

Ghost of the Robot are currently at work on their second album. More info is available on the band's Web site.



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Васкес, спасибо, WtP здорово поднимает настроение ))

Вот еще одно видео с вечеринки в честь сотого эпизода:
Васкес, спасибо, WtP здорово поднимает настроение ))

Вот еще одно видео с вечеринки в честь сотого эпизода:
И tribute в Hollywood Reporter:
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Geroneja(01/06/04 19:51:21)

Я тут в глубоких раздумьях и с температурой, потому ежели чего не того напишу на больную голову, то прошу меня по ней сильно не бить )

Во-первых, пересматривала сегодня третью серию (пытаюсь все подряд посмотреть) и заметила таки ту самую тенденцию - Номер Пятый мелькает возле Ангела с самой первой серии, причем очень заметно мелькает.

Во-вторых, когда Уэс говорил в этой серии о "военизированной, хорошо обученной подземной организации" и о том, что такое уже было, то он имел в виду Инициативу или я чего-то не поняла? )

И в третьих, в контексте Инициативы, очень может быть, что у меня глюк, но в той же серии, во время обеда, когда Банда Клыка уже прибыла на место, Ганн достал свою двустволку и лихо ее в воздухе подготовил к стрельбе, на звук резко обернулся мужчина и, может, я больная, но он был похож на Райли Финна. Или я таки больная?? ))


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Геро, позволь поднести тебе виртуальную рюмочку коньяка (на мой извращенный вкус коньяк лечит головную боль лучше любого лекарства). Во-вторых, рекомендую заглянуть в следующую главу Buffy the Cliche Slayer (ссылка в разделе фиков, "За пределами...") - там твой дорогой директор-стриптизер Вуд работает вышибалой в слэш-клубе, и его описание... гм... неописуемо. Настроение сразу поднимется, гарантирую.

По делу.
У меня такое впечатление, что Номера Пятого готовили к миссии на случай 13-серийного сезона, но потом поменяли на Линдси, когда стало известно, что будет 22 серии. Очевидно, в качестве компенсации отсутствия любовных арок Ангела окружают персонажами, которые спали с теми же женщинами, что и он - чтобы было хотя бы о чем поговорить.

Насчет Инициативы - не знаю о ней уже столько сказано, что вроде бы все варианты изучены. Не помню, приносила ли я сюда идею, которая обсуждалась на форуме уток - что в 4 сезоне "Баффи" Инициатива поковырялась в мозгу Спайка гораздо более основательно, чем кажется, и что изменение его поведения обусловлено не только чипом, но и какими-то более хитрыми способами воздействия, которые проявляются не сразу, а постепенно. Типа "переделаем вампиров в нормальных граждан - только с аллергией на солнце и специфической диетой".

Типичный фэнвонк, конечно, но очень хорошо вписывается и в "конференцию по правам демонов" и в наличие острой необходимости какого-то кардинального решения проблем, накапливающихся в ВиХ. Какой эквивалент сюжетного хода "поделиться слеерской силой" может предложить шоу "Ангел"?

Насчет Райли. Думаю, дело в том, что у него настолько банальная физиономия, что его легко увидеть в ком угодно. Будешь пересматривать Sleeper - обрати внимание, что одна из жертв Спайка похожа на Райли как две капли воды. Я помню даже споры годовалой давности: а что будет, ежели к Баффи придет вампир Райли и скажет: "Дорогая, тебе нужен монстр в твоем мужчине? Имей в полном объеме!"

Крохотный спойлер, который я даже не буду выносить в отдельную ветку по 15 серии
This is from luvthistle 1 on ASSB, from Spoilerfix. Info on episode 15.
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While the title is still unknown, spoilerfix had posted a small spoiler:

One of the characters will be named Scott, a youthful and good looking 17-19 years old. There will be scenes in a bar with a tall and intimidating club bouncer and club goers of 18-25 years old.

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Could be complete bullshit. Could be true. They are a pretty dubious site. Filmjerk and Showfax both have no signs of sides yet, so wait for info from a more credible source before you get too excited.


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Васкес, спасибо )) *выпивает, даже не задумываясь о том, что у нее потом будет давление повышенное, какая разница, собственно ))*
И.... Мой директор Вуд????? Вышибала???? В гей-клубе??? А клуб, случайно, не "Вавилон" называется, а? )) Так, куда-то меня не туда несет ) Надо пойти почитать ))

По поводу Инициативы.. Я просто пересматриваю в поисках "скрытого", потому меня и переклинивает на всякие такие вещи, а вот Райли.. Ага, я помню, мы в 7.08 это обсуждали, кажется, но тут как-то меня остро задело, хотя вот Стренджер тоже уверена, что это из-за стандартной внешности, так что это точно не история, как с 6.01 и ДМ ))



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"что это из-за стандартной внешности"

Внешность у Райли - стандартнее не бывает. В одной из постельных сцен с Баффи он до того похож на Ангела - я поначалу было подумала, что это такая режиссёрская находка, типа, спит с одним, а мерещится другой. Или это говорит об ангельской стандартной внешности?


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