Дорогие гости, перенос форума Marstersvers завершен. Мы рады приветствовать вас на новом ресурсе!)))). Вся первичная информация об этом форуме находится здесь
1. Почему хронология пятого сезона сдвинута ровно на четыре месяца назад?
а) сценаристам необходимо, чтобы события финала происходили в январе 2004 (то есть через 8 месяцев после Chosen) и) это просто оплошность вроде "потерянного месяца" в середине 7 сезона "Баффи"
2. Почему к матери Лайлы вернулась память сразу же после того как Уэс убил отца?
а) их души встретились на высшем уровне бытия, и теперь мама Лайлы вернулась с посланием от Роджера Уиндэма-Прайса к Уэсли или ко всей Банде Клыка б) просто совпадение
3. Почему амулет и материализующее волшебство были посланы по почте?
а) бюджетные ограничения б) Сценаристы не нашли другого способа подсунуть Хармони Спайку в момент его материализации
4. Зачем сценаристы спаривают Спайка и Хармони?
а) они намерены радикально переписать обоих персонажей и сделать их них "комическую разрядку" шоу б) они готовы принести Хармони в жертву гнева фанатов для того, чтобы другие кандидатуры в "девушки Спайка" (Фред, Ева) казались бы фанам более приемлемым
5. Почему в чаше страданий оказалась Mountain Dew?
а) Если это идея Джосса Ведона - чаша страданий окажется настоящей, что бы в ней ни находилось. Ведон не раз говорил, что в его понимании "цель путешествия - в самом путешествии". В соответствии с этим кредо единственное, что имеет значение - то, что Спайк все-таки выпил эту чашу. Можно начинать готовиться к тому, что Спайка снова будут мучить... б) Если это идея Дэвида Фьюри - значит, чаша страданий - всего лишь "оживляж", дешевый предлог для демонстрации драки двух крутых мачо
Геро, спасибо за английский текст, а русского вступления прочитать не могу из-за кодировки
Новости: вроде бы у Damage хороший рейтинг - 3,0\4. Если только я правильно все поняла. Mediaweek says "the WB's Angel (4.1/5) bested a repeat of UPN's America's Next Top Model (3.3/5) by 24 percent". Zap2it gave it 3.0/4.
Columbia Pictures announced the start of production this month on its upcoming supernatural horror film The Grudge in Tokyo. The movie, based on the hit Japanese horror franchise Ju-On, stars Sarah Michelle Gellar, Jason Behr, KaDee Strickland, Clea DuVall, William Mapother and Bill Pullman, and some of the original Ju-On stars will reprise their roles, including Takako Fuji as Kayoko and Yuya Ozeki as Toshio.
Filming will take place at various locations in Tokyo and at Toho Studios. The shoot continues through mid-March.
Ju-On director Takashi Shimizu returns, and Sam Raimi, Rob Tapert and Taka Ichise (Ringu) are producing. The Grudge is the curse of one who dies in the grip of a powerful rage, which gathers and affects the places in which that person lived, the studio said. Those who encounter the murderous supernatural curse die, and a new curse is born, passed like a virus from victim
Дамы и господа, по просьбам трудящихся топики по 10-й и 11-й серии перенесены в неспойлерный раздел, только прошу помнить, что спойлерить там не стоит Ежели чего - все сюда )
Новость номер один: tubbyk сообщает, что ежели в ближайшие сутки не будет сайдзов на 16 серию, значит их вообще не будет, и в 16 серии будут только те персонажи, которых пригласили в 15. Из чего можно сделать вывод, что, скорее всего, 15-16 - двухчастевка.
Новость номер 2:Hollywood Reporter сделал большую подборку про "Ангела".
Masters of illusion 'Angel's' behind-the-scenes team can bring even the most bizarre concepts to the screen.
By Annabelle Villanueva
When the cast and crew of the WB Network's 'Angel' wrapped their debut episode five years ago, series co-creator David Greenwalt leaned toward star David Boreanaz and wryly quipped, "One down, 99 to go!" But the actor had more modest goals. "While we were shooting the first pilot sequence, I wasn't concerned about getting to 100 episodes," he recalls with a chuckle. "I was more concerned with getting through the night."
Boreanaz need not have worried on either count. Although television spinoffs can be risky propositions -- after all, for every hit like NBC's "Frasier," there's a train wreck a la ABC's 1980s entry "Joanie Loves Chachi" -- "Angel" has proved a worthy heir to the WB's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" since spinning off from the pop-culture juggernaut. As "Angel" celebrates its 100th episode, set to air Wednesday, Buffyverse mastermind Joss Whedon finds the milestone particularly sweet.
"It legitimizes this bastard stepchild of 'Buffy,'" jokes Whedon, the show's co-creator and executive producer. "Because 'Angel' has flown under the radar a little bit and isn't as strictly structured as 'Buffy' was, we've been able to take some really interesting chances. I have an incredible staff, and they work hard to make each episode worth watching."
Like its predecessor, "Angel" uses a heady mix of fantasy, action, horror and hilarious wit to examine all-too-human foibles.
In 1999, Whedon conceived of a spinoff featuring Buffy's 200-year-old vampire-with-a-soul boyfriend Angel and recruited "Buffy" executive producer Greenwalt as a partner on the project.
They originally developed the show as a noirish monster-of-the-week drama that found Angel (Boreanaz) and his breezy girl Friday, Cordelia Chase (fellow "Buffy" alum Charisma Carpenter), helping other lost souls in the seedy underbelly of Los Angeles. The brooding bloodsucker's search for redemption offered an opportunity to tweak the superhero concept, and Whedon knew Boreanaz could sink his teeth into the challenge.
"What's great about David is that he's able to subvert the (hero) image very slyly while not taking away its power," Whedon says. "He gives me the necessary anguish but has no problem winking at himself as the big hero, which the show constantly does because my whole career is devoted to subverting that idea. He definitely plays both sides beautifully."
But a problem presented itself a few episodes into the first season: The self-contained detective-plot elements didn't quite have the emotional pull that the writers had expected. "We found we were more interested in the characters themselves than in the guest star of the week," Whedon says.
In response, he and Greenwalt subtly retooled the series so its story lines focused on sustained arcs featuring core characters -- which eventually grew to include vigilante vampire hunter Gunn (J. August Richards), bookish occult expert Wesley (Alexis Denisof), sweet science whiz Fred (Amy Acker) and Lorne (Andy Hallett), the golden-throated, green-skinned owner of a demon karaoke bar. With each subsequent season, "Angel" became more assured in exploring dark emotion, whimsical humor and a portentous mythology, often within the same episode.
"We can go to darker and lighter episodes than you would expect," Whedon says. "That opportunity to be very true to the intensity of these characters' lives and at the same time free-associate about the world they live in means that the show stays fresh. It differentiated itself (from 'Buffy') because it was a different world, different characters, a different feel. It's the same parents, different child."
The dramatic intensity reached a crescendo during Season 4, when the writers conjured a full-blown apocalypse for Los Angeles and Cordelia entered into a creepy affair with Angel's son before turning evil. Die-hard fans delighted in the ominous, complex action, and several TV critics hailed the series as one of the best on the air. Unfortunately, the acclaim came with a slight wrinkle: The arc was so all-encompassing that casual viewers who tuned in during the middle of the year were nearly unable to figure out what the heck was going on.
"Season 4, we were more linear than (Fox's) '24,'" showrunner and executive producer Jeff Bell says. "It wasn't our intent, but when you tell a story with as much gravity as an apocalypse, you can't really have stand-alones stuck here and there. When our 'previously on' (promos) were longer than the episode itself, we knew we were in trouble."
Complicating matters further, after "Buffy" jumped ship to UPN in 2001, "Angel" lost its lead-in and some of its audience, averaging a mere 4.4 million viewers a week. By the 2002-03 campaign, that number dropped to 3.7 million. Not helping matters was the fact that "Angel" had, as Whedon puts it, "danced the schedule dance": The network changed its time slot four times in four years.
"It certainly is a show that has a loyal following, and honestly, I think to some extent, we may have taken advantage of that, knowing that they would follow the show anywhere," the WB president of entertainment Jordan Levin says. "At the same time, it's a little bit more of a challenge to support a show that has such an impassioned audience simply because once they watch it, they're not always there for the repeat. Plus, they want storytelling that is open-ended and serialized and has a deep and complex mythology. That makes it very tough to bring a new audience in."
So tough, in fact, that last spring, the WB executives flirted with the idea of canceling "Angel." As "Buffy" wrapped its successful series run in 2003, viewers grimly faced the prospect of losing both their beloved slayer and her former flame. In an effort to convince the network to pick up the spinoff for a another year, the Season 4 finale concluded with Angel and his gang taking over the evil law firm of Wolfram & Hart, a setting that would help support a return to more stand-alone episodes.
"This whole idea of getting the keys to Wolfram & Hart was kind of marvelous but a little scary," says Greenwalt, who continues to consult for the series. "But what a great way to reinvent this show the first year 'Buffy' isn't on; it's almost like starting a new franchise."
The network approved of the concept and hammered out a deal with 20th Century Fox Television to renew the series. As an added show of support, the WB paired "Angel" on Wednesday nights with top-rated drama "Smallville."
"Actions always speak louder than words, and providing our strongest lead-in for a show in its fifth season I think says a lot about our company's love for 'Angel' and our appreciation for everything Joss, 20th Television and the two Davids -- Greenwalt and Boreanaz -- have done for us," Levin says. "What fun to take a show and reinvent it without undermining its core strengths."
Along with more contained episodes, the new season has brought another crucial change: the addition of fan-favorite punk vamp Spike (James Marsters), last seen sacrificing himself to save the world in the "Buffy" finale. Now a ghost of sorts, the delightfully sarcastic anti-hero provides an intriguing foil for Angel: Both vampires have a conscience, and both are desperately in love with Buffy.
"Some people were like, 'Uh-oh, he's the other vampire with a soul; it's redundant,'" Whedon says. "But he couldn't be any more different from Angel. I think of him in a way as the new ingenue. It's a very intense, contentious situation, and they bring out the worst in each other -- but ultimately, it's one of the strongest and certainly the oldest relationship in Angel's life."
The changes have helped ease new viewers into the show without alienating loyal Buffyverse aficionados. "Angel" also is performing well in syndication, enjoying triple-digit percentage growth in some markets. Meanwhile, DVD sets of the first and second seasons are selling briskly.
"How remarkable for a show at this point in its life to keep reinventing itself and to appeal to a group of people who, prior to this, weren't loyal viewers," 20th Century Fox Television president Dana Walden says. "It does very well internationally; it's done well on DVD. It's an incredible franchise."
The 100th episode strives to find balance between a stand-alone story and the deeper mythology, with Carpenter returning as Cordelia (the character has been in an offscreen coma since last year's season finale). "It's very much a 'Where did we start; where are we going?' episode," Whedon says. "We want to keep it new-guy-friendly, but an arc will begin to reveal itself toward the end of the season."
Subsequent episodes will include flashbacks to Angel's time on a World War II submarine and a lighthearted puppet episode that Whedon promises "will have to be seen to be believed." One story development not in the cards is a long-hoped-for visit from Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar); though Gellar has expressed interest in revisiting her signature role, nothing has materialized yet.
"I really don't know if it will happen -- the ball is in her court," Whedon says. "If she wants to come, I have two characters who are in love with her, so it's not like we'd be lacking for story. However, if she doesn't come, it's not like we're lacking for story, either."
Clearly, Angel has been more than able to make a go of it on his own. Whedon, on the other hand, credits the show's success to a dedicated team effort: Looking back on 100 episodes, he has noticed that most of his favorite installments are not necessarily those he has written or directed himself.
Groovy ghoulies From vampires to demons, the series' stars relish playing extraordinary characters
By Annabelle Villanueva
David Boreanaz Angel
As proud as David Boreanaz is of reaching the 100th episode of "Angel," the show's star might have found episode No. 98 equally memorable: That installment, "Soul Purpose," marked his directing debut. "I got a good episode and ran with it," he says. "My take on it was to pretty much let it fly." The first-time helmer earned raves from fellow cast members and executive producer Joss Whedon, but Boreanaz isn't sure whether he'll step behind the camera again anytime soon; after all, he's usually pretty busy anchoring the show. Having taken the contemplative bloodsucker Angel from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" to his own spinoff five years ago, Boreanaz believes that the vamp's complex search for redemption is fresh as ever. "The writers are just phenomenal," he says. "They make it easy for us. They put this character in compelling situations with a lot of conflict and irony, this incredible capsule I swallow with every episode. It makes it challenging for me to stretch him as far as I possibly can." A native of Philadelphia, Boreanaz recently completed production on the feature "The Crow: Wicked Prayer." His other credits include the 2001 thriller "Valentine" and the 2002 romantic comedy "I'm With Lucy." But Angel remains his signature role. "Joss created all these characters that will live on, and we've all put our own mark on them," he says. "Everyone on the show should be proud of what they've done."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charisma Carpenter Cordelia Chase 2003 likely won't be a year that Charisma Carpenter will soon forget: She welcomed the birth of her first child, began a popular recurring role on NBC's "Miss Match" and filmed the 100th episode of "Angel," bringing her portrayal of Cordelia Chase full-circle. (The episode marks Cordy's return to the show after slipping into a coma during the Season 4 finale.) Carpenter says her reunion with Boreanaz on the set was bittersweet. "I had a particular scene with David where we were repeating our dialogue, and it really rang true in the sense that I'm not there anymore -- and they address that," she says. "We were both kind of touched and having a moment there." Now that she has gained closure on playing Cordelia, Carpenter plans to take several meetings during pilot season and continue occasional appearances on "Match," where she plays Ryan O'Neal's love interest. "Just pinch me," she says. "He's such a great person and so gorgeous. I'm having a great time right now."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- J. August Richards Charles Gunn After four years as an "Angel" regular, J. August Richards knows one thing is certain: Expect the unexpected. "The thing I love about 'Angel' is that every year, I'm required to do something that scares the living hell out of me," he says. "I sort of defeat a dragon in my life -- whether it's doing a fight scene, love scenes, playing drunk or having to act in my underwear." Both Richards and his character, Charles Gunn, have come a long way. Before landing on "Angel," USC grad Richards appeared in the feature films "Why Do Fools Fall in Love" (199 and "Good Burger" (1997), as well as the Mark Taper Forum's production of "Space" in Los Angeles. Gunn, meanwhile, has evolved from rogue vampire hunter to slick attorney. But through it all, Richards hasn't abandoned the character's core values. "This is a person who'll go to any length to protect those he loves," he says. "That's what I took into my audition, and that's what I rely on to play the character now."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Marsters Spike When it comes to ultra-cool vamp Spike, nice is good, but bad is better. After his love for the vampire slayer defanged him on "Buffy," the character's trademark sarcasm has returned with a vengeance on "Angel." "Spike functions well ripping down other characters," says James Marsters, the "Buffy" regular who has jumped to "Angel" this season. "He's situated to do worse to Angel than Buffy. We've been able to accentuate Spike's apathy and the hilarity that can bring, which is so fun after being heartfelt and sincere for two years." Fan-favorite Marsters says he was excited to join the "Angel" cast but had no idea he would enjoy it as much as he has. "It's been even better than I thought it would be," he says. "There's so much fun in the work, and we have such great writers. I'm having the time of my life." Aside from his role as Spike, Marsters has appeared on CBS' "Northern Exposure," the VH1 anthology series "Strange Frequency," in the 1999 feature film "House on Haunted Hill" and in numerous stage productions. An avid musician, he also tours frequently with his band Ghost of the Robot.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Hallett Lorne Want to bring a tear to Andy Hallett's eye? Mention the 800 or so hours he has spent in the makeup chair being transformed into the red-eyed, green-skinned demon Lorne. "I'm going to have to mix a drink while talking about this, or else I'll burst out crying," he says. "God, it's horrible." But his suffering does have a bright side: After he gets through his three-hour makeup application, the actor gets to focus his energy on the delightfully kooky Lorne, a good-natured lounge lizard who can read people's souls while they sing. Whedon got the idea for the character after seeing Hallett perform in an L.A. music revue; Hallett was invited to try out for the part and landed it, his first role in Hollywood. Since then, the Cape Cod, Mass., native also has starred in the 2001 History Channel miniseries "The Enforcers," directed by former "Angel" writer Meredyth Smith, and the 2002 indie film "Chance." As for his marathon prosthetics application, Hallett helps cope by watching DVDs and chatting with makeup supervisor Dayne Johnson. One thing they don't talk about, though, is what Hallett will do if "Angel" makes it to 200 episodes. "Can you imagine what my therapy bill would be?" he jokes.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amy Acker Winifred 'Fred' Burkle Note to Joss Whedon: Amy Acker thinks it's time her character, Fred Burkle, gets a makeover. "I'm a big proponent of 'evil Fred,'" Acker says. "I'd like to be mean. I think it's bound to happen one of these days." For the time being, fans are content to see "good Fred," the sweet science whiz who has become a trusted member of Angel's investigative team. Born and raised in Dallas, Acker's credits also include several Shakespeare stage productions, the 2002 indie film "Groom Lake" and the 2003 CBS telefilm "Return to the Batcave: The Misadventures of Adam and Burt." She first appeared on "Angel" during Season 2, when the gang saved her from slavery in a demon dimension; since then, Fred has evolved from mousy slave to brainiac who has been the object of Gunn's and Wesley's attentions. "I was showing someone a little reel for all I've done on 'Angel,' and they said, 'Wow, how many different shows have you been on?'" Acker says. "Going from being in a potato sack in a demon dimension to running my own science lab has been a pretty dramatic change."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alexis Denisof Wesley Wyndam-Pryce Alexis Denisof didn't join "Angel" until its 10th episode, but he was no stranger to fans of the Buffyverse: The character of Wesley began life on "Buffy" as a bumbling heel whom fans loved to loathe. On "Angel," though, the former Watcher has evolved into a complex, troubled hero. "Initially, fans were horrified that I was being added to 'Angel,' and I got a certain amount of hate mail," he says with a laugh. "But now, I think many fans look at the show through Wesley's eyes -- he provides a human perspective. People who've followed us from the beginning seem to take great satisfaction from seeing him evolve." According to the actor, viewers will soon see more of Wesley's vulnerability. "We'll see what things went on emotionally to make him who he is and how that plays out in intimate relationships," he says. Wesley's pitch-perfect British accent comes from Maryland-born Denisof's time at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art, which led to roles with the Royal Shakespeare Company and on BBC productions. Other projects have included the movie "First Knight" (1995) and the NBC miniseries "Noah's Ark" (1999).
Additional tidbit added on February 2nd: Producers are now looking to cast a possibly recurring character named Hamilton, listed as being in his 30s to early 40s. The character is described as having an "imposing physical presence, but not muscle-bound...[he is] elegant, articulate, wears an expensive suit well.
From mnbird: I love your column, but what happened to your Angel 100th episode info? I thought you were going to do a column on it.
Kristin: It killed me not to run it on Friday, but with my Tru Calling commitment (double on the killing me) and requisite Golden Globes stuff, it had to hold until this Friday, because it's a big, whoppin' column, much larger than usual. My sincerest apologies, but we will have interviews with all the main castmembers, plus video clips, so please, please, please check back this Friday! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bruhahaha: Have you seen the 100th episode of Angel?
Kristin: Yes, and dear God in heaven, it is phenomenal. Like, early days of Buffy phenomenal. Including a heart-tugging little twist at the end, which I adored. The focal point of the ep is, of course, the return of Cordy. In Charisma Carpenter's words: "The whole episode is Cordelia and Angel, and it really just lays it all out. It's the pinnacle. We're peaking this episode for Cordelia--this is it. It all comes to this head now. So, it's going to be a great episode." She ain't lyin', home fries.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From caffeineaholic: When does Angel's 100th eppy air?
Kristin: This Wednesday at 9 p.m., on the WB. Appointment television, tube maven's honor.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rene_artois: Hey. The pic of you from your Tru Calling experience on your weekly column gave me the best laugh I've had in ages. Not because you look oh-so-spooky and above it and to the left is a pic of the regular beautiful you, but because someone put in the "click to enlarge" link right underneath. No offense, but who wants to see you look like that in a bigger shot. You're calling off our engagement now, aren't you?
Kristin: No chance, sweetie. The hall is already booked. And I happen to think that's the best glamour shot around, the bigger the better!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From drozymandias: You should know, I had given up on Tru, but I'll stick it out for one more hour for ya'...
Kristin: Much appreciated, hubby. I have to tell you, though, I have not seen the ep and cannot swear by the hair on my chinny-chin-chin (lost my tweezers) that I'm in it. If I am, you'll see Tru's bro pulling me out of the drawer.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From supiegirl: Is it true that Fred dies on Angel? Please say it ain't so.
Kristin: Honestly, I don't think it is so. According to someone very reliable and very close to the show: "Have no fear, though expect her storyline to kick up a notch or two." Personally, I know Joss worships the ground she walks on (they're very close, and she goes to his house to read Shakespeare), so I highly doubt that she'd be killed off. Amy loves the show, and the show loves her.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From homegeek: There was a character named Doyle last week on Angel who had visions and was helping Spike. Is there any relation to the Doyle from the first season?
Kristin: Sort of. It's all explained in the 100th episode. That "character" is someone you already know.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From slave4spike: I am beginning to think that Kristen ignores me. Please tell me about my beloved Spike.
Kristin: Well, Kristen might ignore you Kristin never would! Sadly, Spike's scenes are few and far between in the 100th, but he does have a bit of a shocker when he sinks his teeth into Cordelia.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kim_reed02: How long does hottie Christian Kane stick around on Angel?
Kristin: Not very long...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hy_pe: Spike has no hands! Andrew is fantastic! Angel is miserable! Angel was incredible! I cannot wait for Charisma!
Kristin: I know! I know! How good is the show lately? And FYI, the 100th ep is truly the quintessential fans' episode. (It's fan-tastic!) Watched it last night with a friend who (don't judge him for being slow) had never seen Angel or Buffy and was completely lost, which means, whoopee! The 100th episode is completely satisfying in every way for die-hard fans. Full of little inside jokes and nods to the past, including a videotape from Doyle. A very emotional and fulfilling ep. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gilmore Girls all talked out Buffy spinoff Angel continues to thrive
ROB SALEM
Sometimes you jump the shark. And sometimes the shark jumps you. And sometimes you're smart enough to just stay the hell out of the water, sit on the beach and read a good book.
The American networks' mid-winter "sweeps" period gets off to an early start this week on the youth-skewed netlet, The WB, with Very Special Episodes of two successful signature series, Gilmore Girls and Angel. The first is a classic example of a once-great show that has now "jumped the shark" (Internet-inspired terminology for "past it") . The second is a spin-off series that started off inside the shark, and has somehow managed to muscle its way out again and swim off to bluer waters.
Gilmore Girls, (tomorrow night on WPIX at 8 and KTLA at 11, Wednesday on Global at 9), kicks off what is ostensibly a two-part story, linked only in reality by the dubious return of Milo Ventimiglia's broody Jess, who left an entire season ago to be spun off into his own series, which somehow never quite got around to actually getting made.
Angel, a series spinoff (from Buffy The Vampire Slayer) that did succeed, against all odds, celebrates that fact, and its recent, fifth-season rejuvenation, with a thematically pivotal 100th episode (Wednesday at 9 on WPIX, 10 on CKVR and midnight on KTLA) that also brings back an absent friend, resolving once and for all the final fate of Charisma Carpenter's comatose Cordelia Chase.
But first, the bad news. Once one of the funniest and freshest hours on the dial, Amy Sherman-Palladino's Gilmore Girls has recently degenerated into a chatty snoozefest, having bantered itself inextricably into a creative corner.
The relationship at that show's heart, between quirky iconoclast single mom Lorelai (Lauren Graham) and her quirky, over-achieving daughter, Rory (Alexis Bledel), has been torn asunder by the latter's relocation to Yale, leaving much of their signature snappy patter to be crammed into unlikely cell-phone exchanges and unrealistically frequent weekend visits home.
At the same time, there has been an apparent downplaying of the other eccentric residents of Star's Hollow, and an over-playing of the otherwise fabulous Kelly Bishop as Lorelai's high-strung mom, and the ultimate playing-out of the once stoically unknowable coffee hunk, Luke (Scott Patterson) ...
Newly named Warner CEO Jordan Levin addressed the show's creative decline last month at the recent TV critics' confab in L.A.
"We're transitioning the show to this new model of Rory being in college," he began ("transitioning," "new model" — network suits do tend to sound very much like motivational speakers).
"I think there's two ways you can tackle that. One way is you continue to live in this TV reality where nobody ages and nothing ever changes and nothing ever happens, which I think is tougher and tougher to ask audiences, especially younger audiences, to suspend disbelief with.
"They buy these characters and they view them as real, and they have goals, and you want to see them try and fill those goals. But in doing so, I think we were very conscious of the fact that that was a transition for the show ... a transition period that was a bit rocky."
That's three "transitions," and not a single suggestion of what the show might be transitioning to. Which is, of course, the problem. A problem that bringing back Jess, that foul-tempered, delinquent Kerouak wannabe, ain't gonna solve (particularly not when his so-called "reunion" with Rory takes an episode and a half to get to, and lasts all of maybe 20 seconds).
On the other hand, his return does finally bring into the fold his errant mom, Luke's much talked-about ditzy sister, Liz, perfectly embodied by ER's Kathleen Whilhoite, who may, if we are lucky (and the show's producers are smart), stick around in Star's Hollow for a season or so.
If only to give Lorelai someone to talk to.
But enough doom and gloom. Time to talk vampires, demons and lawyers, and the unlikely fifth-season beyond-the-grave resurrection of Angel, this week celebrating its centennial episode — the magic number required for five-night-a-week "strip" syndication, in other words, residual money, the Big Ka-Ching.
The show has benefited greatly this year from the focused attentions of its creator, Joss Whedon, who, with the conclusion of the originating Buffy and Fox's unconscionable cancellation of his visionary sci-fi series, Firefly, is now devoting his full attention to Angel, transferring the action to a law firm of the living dead and adding that fan-favourite Buffy biter, James Marsters' Spike, to the already eclectic mix.
I mean, is there another writer on the planet who could come up with a line like, "The dead nuns we can deal with, but the firm's out $10 million in bail costs ..."? Or another show even remotely capable of accommodating it?
"I do feel there's a new energy this year," Whedon acknowledges. "You know, just coming off with kind of a new paradigm, the idea of putting them in the heart of evil and making it look really nice ... obviously, bringing in James and shaking up the cast a little bit ... having the mission statement of making the show accessible to people who haven't seen it before really kept us on out toes."
"I'm having fun kind of going back to the original Spike," allows Marsters, "which is really kind of a weird thing to say, because the character got a soul, which would have made me think I'd be going in a whole new direction. But I am enjoying not being `whipped' anymore.
"And so I can go back to, you know, what the character kind of did originally, which is go up to the lead of the series and say, `Hey, you're going to die. You're a fool,' and just be the grit in the wheel that way.
"I'm enjoying myself and this cast like never before ... and I think that's showing in the work, too."
И еще один материал оттуда же - о сериях. Есть и кое-что новеньбкое - даже для таких обспойленных, как мы
Monday, February 2, 2004 - 12:22 PM The WB Unwraps Its February Sweeps Plans By The Futon Critic Staff
CHICAGO (thefutoncritic.com) -- The WB plans to fill its February sweeps schedule with "original episodes of its dramas and comedies, featuring flashbacks to World War II, magic schools, vampires, werewolves, living puppets, car crashes, the return of old loves, loss of innocence and near-death experiences," according to a network press release.
Here's a complete breakdown of what to expect during the key ratings period. (Please note that the following episode descriptions may contain spoilers for future storylines.)
. The Wednesday night team of two critically acclaimed dramas, SMALLVILLE and ANGEL, continues to deliver fantasy, action and adventure in February. On the February 11 episode of SMALLVILLE, Clark (Tom Welling) risks revealing his true identity when he tries to save Pete (Sam Jones III) from death at the hands of dangerous thugs, and Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) discovers that Adam's (guest star Ian Somerhalder) doctor is treating him with an experimental drug. The February 18 episode finds Clark revealing his secrets to a girl with mysterious powers whose "fatal attraction" for Clark puts Lana (Kristin Kreuk) in real danger. Finally, on March 3, Clark realizes that he received a phone call from the future, proving that Adam is a threat to Lana's life.
On February 11, ANGEL (David Boreanaz) travels back to his days in World War II when the U.S. Navy enlisted his aid to retrieve a German submarine with a secret cargo of vampires, including Spike (James Marsters). In an unusual and whimsical episode on February 18, Angel is transformed into a puppet while investigating the deadly effect that a children's television program is having on its audience. On February 25, when they discover a hole in the world that serves as a burial ground for demons that existed before recorded time, Angel and Spike race to stop one of the ancient demons from using Fred's (Amy Acker) body to return to power. Finally, on March 3, Angel reaches out to an old friend from Sunnydale in his desperate attempt to restore Fred to her body.
Following is a list of programming highlights, all times ET.
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 11
"ANGEL" - (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) "Why We Fight" VAMPIRES ABOARD A GERMAN U-BOAT - Lawson (guest star Eyal Podell, "Behind Enemy Lines"), a mysterious man from Angel's (David Boreanaz) past, arrives at Wolfram & Hart and takes the gang hostage. Through flashbacks to World War II, it is revealed that Angel worked with the U.S. Navy to recover a captured German submarine with American sailors on board. The ship also has a secret cargo, a dangerous trio of vampires, including Spike (James Marsters), who were kidnapped by the Germans and forced to help the Nazis. When the sub comes under attack, Angel saves Lawson's life by turning him into a vampire. Now, sixty years later, Lawson has arrived at Wolfram & Hart seeking revenge.
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18
"ANGEL" - (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) "Smile Time" THE GREAT PUPPET CAPER -- When a popular children's show begins to steal the life forces of children by hypnotizing them, Angel (David Boreanaz) goes directly to the studio to uncover the evil doings. Upon entering the building, Angel triggers a spell that transforms him into a puppet. In a race against time, puppet-Angel and company must find a way to reverse the spell, save the lives of hundreds of children and return Angel to his normal vampire state. Meanwhile, Nina (guest star Jenny Mollen), the werewolf Angel befriended, returns to declare her romantic intentions, but puppet-Angel is too embarrassed to reciprocate.
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25
"ANGEL" - (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) "A Hole in the World" WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY JOSS WHEDON -- When Fred (Amy Acker) opens up an ancient sarcophagus that was anonymously sent to her, she is infected by a mysterious parasitic demon called Illyria. Angel (David Boreanaz) and Spike (James Marsters) learn that Illyria is an ancient demon who existed before recorded time, and they must race to return her to an ancient demon burial ground before she kills Fred and thousands of other innocent victims. Contact: Andrea Gruber, (81 977-2417
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3
""ANGEL" - (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) "Shells" THE END OF FRED -- Angel (David Boreanaz) and Spike (James Marsters) return from England defeated, knowing that the ancient demon Illyria has completely taken over Fred's (Amy Acker) body and soul. Upon learning that Knox (guest star Jonathan Woodward) and Gunn (J. August Richards) have each contributed to her demise, Wesley (Alexis Denisof) is bent on revenge and Angel tries everything to restore Fred, including calling on an old friend from Sunnydale. Meanwhile, Illyria tries to locate an ancient temple where she believes she will find an army ready to help her destroy mankind.
Васкес, подозреваю, что у них там было холодно - Эми Акер была в куртке на съемках 10-й, а ДМ - на съемках 11-й )
Спасибо за новости ) Во-первых, оффтоп - вот к сложившейся в "Смоллике" ситуации только Лекса на экспериментальных лекарствах и спасения жизни Пита нам не хватало А, во-вторых, по теме - кроме Уиллоу, я больше и не вижу кому звонить. Она, пожалуй, единственная обладает достаточной силой, но как они будут снимать Эли? Или только телефон?
Возьмут кусочки ее диалогов, как Баффи из "Прома" ))))Наскребут понемноту отовсюду - и готово!
"Футонский критик" забавную штуку написал
Monday, February 2, 2004 - 12:22 PM The WB Unwraps Its February Sweeps Plans By The Futon Critic Staff
CHICAGO (thefutoncritic.com) -- The WB plans to fill its February sweeps schedule with "original episodes of its dramas and comedies, featuring flashbacks to World War II, magic schools, vampires, werewolves, living puppets, car crashes, the return of old loves, loss of innocence and near-death experiences," according to a network press release.
Школы волшебства? Филиал Хогвартса, что ли? Автокатастрофы? Пока ничего такого не заметили. "Старая любовь" - это Корди? "Утрата невинности" - это совсем интересно... "Испытания на грани жизни и смерти" - про Фред? То есть дэвушка не совсем мертва к финалу 17-й серии?
Фотографии со съемок потрясающие. По-моему, ДБ выглядел потрясно . Или это только мне одной показалось в силу моей субъективности? Насколько можно судить по слухам, контракт на 6 сезон вполне может быть подписан.
Вряд ли. Актеры, которые прихоодят в шоу с самого начала, когда проект только создается, стандартно подписывают контракты на пять лет. Впрочем, трудно сказать. ДБ наверняка потребует прибавки, и он имеет на это полное право: все так делают. Вспомните, как Духовни качал права после пятого сезона "Секретных материалолв!" Ему по миллиону за серию платили, даже если он появлялся на 30 секунд.
Интересные новости из Англии: there’s an article in one of our Sunday papers on Luke Perry, AH’s costar in her London play – they note that she “is back in LA for a week working on a sitcom” – would that fit in with Angel’s shooting schedule? Если Ханниган будет сниматься в своем ситкоме целую неделю, неужели она не сможет выкроить пару часов на "Ангела"?
Думаю, что сможет, если она уже все равно будет в Л.А. )
По поводу того, что написали - "потеря невинности" и "автокатастрофы" могут вполне относится к "Смоллвиллю", там как раз по этой части - непаханное поле, хотя кто его знает?? )
Новый отчет о вечеринке в честь 100 эпизода. ДМ все-таки заставили высказаться насчет СМГ. Он, как всегда, проявил себя дипломатом... TV Guide Online http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/
Party Boy aka Daniel Coleridge
Angel's 100th Birthday Bash
This weekend, TV Guide threw a party for WB's Angel to toast the Buffy spin-off's 100th episode. The cast and crew all celebrated at Hollywood's trendy Club Ivar, including three-time cover boy David Boreanaz and his lovely wife, actress Jaime Bergman. Natch, Party Boy was there — risking his neck in a roomful of TV vamps, I might add — to bleed some scoop out of Angel's insiders.
Among the festive guests were Buffy and Angel creator Joss Whedon and cast mates Alexis Denisof (Wesley), J. August Richards (Gunn), Amy Acker (Fred), Andy Hallett (Lorne) and, of course, James Marsters (Spike). Ever the instigator, I was just dying to know what folks think of Sarah Michelle Gellar canceling her May sweeps Angel guest spot?
We already know Boreanaz was grumpy, but he still wants her back for Angel's series finale (whenever that is). How did the others feel about Gellar's decision? "She seemed very committed to do it," Marsters told Party Boy. "I don't know what changed. I suppose she doesn't owe it to anyone, but it would've been nice. Frankly, the real star of this show and Buffy is Joss Whedon. If she wants to come and play in this wonderful universe, I would love to have her, because she's a marvelous actor. But we're having a lot of fun, anyway. If she doesn't want to come aboard, that's cool, too."
"I'll be surprised if it happens," Denisof said. "People tried to get that talk going when Buffy was finishing, and she was smiling and not saying yes or no, because it was the right thing to do politically. But I think Sarah's moved on. In this town, anything can happen."
Notably absent was Denisof's real-life wife, Alyson Hannigan, who played lesbian witch Willow on Buffy. But we forgive her. Hannigan's in London rehearsing for the West End stage version of When Harry Met Sally — costarring Luke Perry! — which opens later this month. (Word is, she beat out Reese Witherspoon for the role. Buffy's very big across the pond.)
One fun surprise guest was actress Juliet Landau — Spike's sublime bloodsucking ex, Drusilla. When Party Boy spotted her, she was sipping non-sanguinary cocktails with her partner-in-crime, Julie Benz, who plays Darla. Last seen in November sweeps, Dru's been sorely missed. Landau told me she wants to come back, but is unaware of any plans in the works. Still, she's chummy with Whedon — the two shared a nice Hollywood hug later on in the evening — so it's only a matter of time...
Former Angel regular Charisma Carpenter couldn't make the bash — her rep says she was out of town visiting family — but she previewed the 100th episode during my recent visit to the set. "I come out of my coma because The Powers That Be owe me a favor," she teased. "Cordelia needs to set Angel back on his path. Angel is confused and in doubt about what his destiny is, because Spike has returned from another dimension and he is working for redemption and he has a soul, too. It leaves Angel in a lot of self doubt. So I set Angel straight and then I leave. I'm in, I'm out!"
Очень приятно прочитать, что Джульетт Ландау в приятельских отношениях с Ведоном. Может быть, он снова ее выпишет на пару серий?
At the end of last night's Angel, viewers learned big news: Cordelia Chase is dead. That's a dreary development for fans of her portrayer, Charisma Carpenter, who are mourning her big time today. But is she gone forever? Could she rise again, like Spike? Here, TV Guide Online sits down with the 33-year-old actress for a candid conversation about Cordy's farewell and her future plans.
TV Guide Online: What a trip it's been. From spoiled rich girl to psychic friend to evil cradle robber! And by that I mean the Cordy and Connor coupling was wrong! Carpenter: I was a dirty bird! Ugh. That wasn't Cordelia; she was possessed. [Laughs] I'm in denial about that whole story line. It was creepy. Connor was Angel's son and half my age.
TVGO: Why did Cordy have to die? Carpenter: I'm not on the show anymore and we didn't want to just leave Cordelia in a coma. [Angel creator] Joss Whedon probably feels like this may be the last year — or not — but this would be a very big story left untold. It was necessary for me to at least come back and set her straight.
TVGO: Could you still come back? Carpenter: Whatever happens after this, I'm open. But it's just best this story be [resolved] now. Otherwise, it's a disservice to the fans of our show. They pay attention, if you haven't noticed, and they're really rather fanatical about getting the full, complete story. They care about the story lines. The Connor/Cordelia thing was, like, major upheaval. They didn't like it and so they responded!
TVGO: It's great that they care enough to watch and complain. Carpenter: Yeah, my fans are amazing. I didn't even realize that I had such a big following until I left. Whatever it took to discover that, I'm very lucky.
TVGO: So they'll want you back as Cordy... Carpenter: I don't think it'll be necessary. You never say never. However, at this point in time, I don't see a future for her. Even if I didn't [have other acting work], I feel like Joss feels — the Cordelia stories have been told. There were no other directions to go with her. I mean, they made her a higher being! First she was bitchy, then she was nice. She's matured, she's evolved, what's left to tell? Not a lot. And that's fine.
TVGO: What are your plans? Carpenter: Well, I can tell you what my goals are. I have a son now, so I want the half-hour sitcom lifestyle, where you can have a family and work. And then, during summer hiatus, I'd like to do a Kill Bill or Wonder Woman or some movie like that.
TVGO: Wait, you want to do the long-rumored Wonder Woman movie? Carpenter: I am actively putting it out there that I want to do Lynda Carter. It's my mission to be Wonder Woman! My agent hasn't seen a script, but some studio needs to do it. She's beautiful, she fights, and I like the concept of an empowerment role. I've always been so passive on Angel, where they usually wouldn't let Cordelia do martial arts stunts. Charisma wants to kick ass and bust heads!
И вчерашний чат с ДБ
DishDiva says: We have so many questions so let's get started right now!
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Hi. Thanks for tuning in tonight, the big 100th episode. We're all proud to reach this milestone and I want to congratulate everyone that has been involved and thank you all for watching.
DishDiva says: Make sure to tune in after this event, if you are on the East Coast!
DishDiva says: Tori_gurl14 in onstage1 says: What did you enjoy the most about making the 100th episode of "Angel" which airs tonight?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Really being around Charisma again was great and to revisit characters from Season One. Having a great time with everyone else.
DishDiva says: Are you doing anything special tonight with the 100th episode?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I'm working. (laughs)
—?R???S??Ð??T— in Onstage3 asks: Are you aware that there are 1,000's upon 1,000's of Cordy/Angel fans?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I'm not aware of that Mr. President, seeing them tonight was a nice touch that Joss gave both characters, and I hope you enjoy it, but I'm not aware of that.
bobette1114 in Onstage4 asks: Good Evening, David. How is directing an episode differnt than just acting in one?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: You have more responsibilities. The whole cast was very supportive and just encouraged them to do what they do best and it was a great success and I enjoyed it.
Neha_DL in Onstage3 asks: Are you aware you have like a serious fan base in India. We love you here!
DishDiva says: Does it amaze you that the show is seen around the world?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Neha, it is amazing it's seen around th world. I think it's fantastic to have such a large fan base in India, it's a place I've always wanted to visit.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: A big shout out to everyone around the world and I think Joss has done a great job to bring you some new things and we'll need your support for another season.
lafemmedarla in Onstage3 asks: David, how do you feel about the direction this season has taken so far?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: My favorite season so far! It's been the best time I'm having on this show and I love the direction of the characters and have embraced the story line. I hope to have another season. I am really enjoying it.
JArsenal1966 in Onstage3 asks: "Soul Purpose" was awesome. Do you plan on directing more episodes?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Yes. I hope to, not this year, but if Season 6 comes to fruition, then hopefully. I had a great story line for that one and I think that all the stories this year were good and fun to direct. I look forward to direct more in the future.
Babskeschattie1 in Onstage4 asks: Hello a big huggle from Belgium -
David_Boreanaz_Live says: All right!
BuffyChosenWPower5 in Onstage1 asks: Do you ever associate the character Angel with yourself, especially this season how he's "lost the mission"?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: The Mission may have been a bit lost, but after this 100th episode it will come back. As far as what I take from my own experiences, every actor takes from their own experiences, and it's viable for the character. There's things that come from me that I
David_Boreanaz_Live says: heighten and explore and take a different look at.
Fulgencia7239 in Onstage4 asks: Which one is your favorite Angel: early, sophisticated Angel, season 3 goofy, dorky Angel, present Angel or Angelus?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: You know what, all the Angels have been great to play. Going through the list is a credit to the writers not being stuck with a certain personality and I've enjoyed playing them all. I am enjoying this season's Angel and the upcoming episodes. There's a
David_Boreanaz_Live says: submarine episode coming up and there's an episode that I'm turned into a puppet, that you have to see to believe!
shipperxphile in Onstage3 asks: Are we going to see any more Angel/Darla? Those two are HOT together!
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Yeah, Darla is another character. If the story dictates it it will be great. It's just a matter of finding the right story for her to come back.
tiggzOr in Onstage1 asks: David, does being a new dad have any effect of your working and the seasons to come?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Every time you're blessed with a child your responsibilities change and you know what's important in your life and you bring that to work with. It's good for me to see him grow from day to day and laugh and smile. It's been a great thing for me to go
David_Boreanaz_Live says: through.
chibi_kaze in Onstage4 asks: Do you personally think that the Spike and Angel characters have any romantic interest in eachother, albiet a somewhat dysfunctional one?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: No. I don't think there's any romantic interest. They have known each other for a long time. There's a lot of irony between the two, they really don't like each other. (laughs)
lafemmedarla in Onstage3 asks: Which has been your favorite season five moment so far?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Lafemmedarla, the first show that Joss directed was fun. It was a new direction. I enjoyed when I directed and the puppet episode was a LOT of fun, I'm doing a lot of looping for that in the next couple of days.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Also #16 where there's a cast change that I can't talk about.
Mike7883uk in Onstage3 asks: Hi from England David, when are we going to see you in the new Crow Film?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: That's coming out this year, there's no release date and there's not a final cut yet. I'm hoping for the fall, it's just in their hands now.
Aventurine6 in Onstage1 asks: Is there any chance we might see your lovely wife on Angel?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: No, that won't happen, Aventurine6.
bumbledee66 in Onstage3 asks: Do you believe that Buffy and Angel will end up together in the end?
TheXmasHooker in Onstage3 asks: Do you believe Angel and Buffy are soulmates? I mean so much time as pasted for them.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I don't know. I think their characters are destined for some romantic gettaway again. Those two characters may be heading back together at the end. Where they're at in their lives they are in the same place, they're just not together.
DamnSkippyToo in Onstage3 asks: We want Cordy back! Please tell us that door isn't locked shut.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Those doors aren't locked, all the characters that Joss created open. There have been many characters that come back. They may get killed off and die but there's always a beginning and can always be revisited.
Rachel169424 in Onstage1 asks: You Are So Cool .. love the show
TheXmasHooker in Onstage3 asks: David, will Drusilla (Juliet Landau) be returning this season?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I think that the type of character, I don't see that anymore this season. Her character is set up for a period and if a story fits she will but I don't see that happening.
Babskeschattie1 in Onstage4 asks: David do you still think that Angel should finish by being hit by a bus - that quote just made me laugh.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: (laughs) Yeah, someone asked me that question, if I became human and went outside and just got nailed by a bus. I will be happy with however he goes out. (laughs)
bobette1114 in Onstage4 asks: David, I grew up watching your father on tv. How has he influenced your career?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: My father is a big influence in my life and best friend. He's a gentleman that I respect and has taught me the writes and wrongs and work commitment and putting a smile on your face. That will help you grow with any profession you're in.
EnigmaticMythicGoddess84 in Onstage4 asks: Can we expect another season of ANGEL ?
Mike7883uk in Onstage3 asks: Hi David, any good feelings so far with the WB regarding a Season Six?
DishDiva says: Make sure you tune into the 100th episode tonight on the WB!
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I think Season 6 in my regards is preeminent. I suggest all the fans write in and ask for a Season 6. I would love to have another season. If the she hadn't changed I wouldn't want that, but now where these characters are I embrace that.
Valierisa in Onstage4 asks: Hey there David, do you have any upcoming projects that we should be on the look out?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: "The Crow" is next on my list, and there's a few things in development but when I have a definite then I'll give everybody a shout out and let them know.
kate_ferguson_10 in Onstage3 asks: What do you like best about working on T.V. shows?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: This is a pretty much different show, it's 8 days of mini work, stunts, drama, location shooting. For me it's a great learning curve to get into more things like movies and theater. I love theater so anything that comes. The best part has been learning.
Lisabon3 in Onstage3 asks: What's your favorite show on TV?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I don't have many favorites. I love AMC Classics and TMC and HDTV and Food Network.
QuietDelusions in Onstage1 asks: What's your favorite episode of Angel over the past 5 seasons?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: It's tough to call one. I liked the 50's episode where we went back in time. "Billy" and any location shoot. I'm pretty partial to every show. It's hard to pick out one that I love, QuietDelusions.
with_love_nikki in Onstage4 asks: David, whats playing in your CD player now?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I have a lot of Blues and Classic Rock. Pink's album, and I would say I'd be ipodding rather than CD holding.
DishDiva says: What music do you buy most of?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: A lot of rock and roll classics and blues. I love music so anything that catches me.
SoggyRbabe4 in Onstage1 asks: David, what can we do as fans to help Angel get picked up for a sixth season?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Support! Everything you've done so far has been great for us. Tunning in to watch the show, call up Jordan Levin or write letters in support of the show. What you are doing now is fantastic and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
moobunny925 in Onstage4 asks: David, what is it like to know that you and your character will be forever immortalized in the Jossverse?
BuffyChosenWPower5 in Onstage1 asks: Smooochies From Brooklyn !!!
fyreflye13 in Onstage4 asks: Hey David I just wanna say I love ya!!!
Michal185091 in Onstage4 asks: there is a very big fan base in israel too. we just wanted you to know.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Being associated with Joss has been fantastic for me including all the people I've been around. It's been a pleasure to be a part of it and go on and see it in the future, it's a testimony to the writing and everyone involved. It's great.
MaquisLeader47 in Onstage1 asks: What happened to the Angelmobile? I miss the Plymouth and would love to see it again.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: He got a chance to take over a law office and it's just waiting to boil and blow up in his face. He's rocking it out with different cars. The Plymouth is probably parked somewhere with a lot of parking tickets or food on it. (laughs)
Rinat_Lz in Onstage3 asks: David, are you satisfied with the "Dido clip" you did? I mean, with how it turned out?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Yeah, I didn't think it would be a music video. It was what it was and I got a lot of compliments on that video. I'm enjoying doing more performances.
BrassMonkey740 in Onstage1 asks: What was the reunion with Charisma like?
DishDiva says: BTW, David said boot and not food earlier. Misheard on that one.
David_Boreanaz_Live says: It was sad. We had some good moments and that played out. You'll see that tonight. When you share a part of your life with someone, seeing the two of them is just a great thing. We had fun and we had a lot of memories and she'll forever be in my heart.
DishDiva says: Do have a favorite book?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: I've always liked anything written by the last Roald Dahl, "Catcher in the Rye," Og Mandino, and I also liked "Siddartha."
DishDiva says: Do you have a favorite romantic movie?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Dr. Zhivago or Gone with the Wind. I also liked "When Harry Met Sally" it's cute, funny and romantic. I also liked "The Enchanted Cottage." It was done in the 50's that is a really beautiful love story. If you want to see a movie that you're like "WOW" at
David_Boreanaz_Live says: the end, see it.
DishDiva says: What's the best gift you've ever given someone or that someone has given you?
David_Boreanaz_Live says: My child Jaden, so Jamie my wife gave me the best gift.
DishDiva says: David, from all of your fans from around the world on MSN, thanks for joining us here tonight on MSN Live!
David_Boreanaz_Live says: Thanks I appreciate you guys tuning in and the support over the last 5 seasons and the love and desire to tune in. We'll continue to make you great episodes with characters coming to visit. We love you and thank you from all of us, me and the cast.
DishDiva says: Thanks, David!
DishDiva says: Thanks to tonight's hosts Budd, Ash and Fredia. If you missed any of tonight's event it will be available tomorrow on MSN Live.
Lisabon3 in Onstage3 asks: Hey David. We were in the audience last Monday for Last Call with Carson Daly. We were the screaming chicks standing. Just wanted to say you look freaking HOT!!
Aventurine6 in Onstage1 asks: Thanks for your time David.
4 февраля ДБ, ДМ, Джей и Энди были на шоу Райана Сикреста, о чем успели написать просто везде, но самое главное - транскрипт от всеми любимой Толки с MTS, переношу сюда, оно того стоит - я пока читала, получила массу удовольствия:
Transcript from "Angel" Cast Appearance on the Ryan Seacrest show:
David Boreanaz, James Marsters, J. August Richards, Andy Hallett appeared on the "On Air with Ryan Seacrest" show on Feb. 4, 2004. All in all, it was about 18 minutes of screen time.
I know what you want to know - what was James wearing? Did he look good? Of course! James was wearing a long sleeved, black knit turtle-neck sweater (very yummy!), jeans (surprise) and sneakers. I think it's the same black turtle-neck he wore on his last Craig Kilborn appearance. His hair is fully bleached and cut short. He looked good! He sat legs kind of apart (really wide at first, then less so), hands in front of "that area" in between his legs lush: most of the time. (Mindy is right, he really must stop sitting that way. Very cruel to get the viewers so hot and bothered. :LOL: )
James seemed very relaxed. In fact, they all did. You really got the impression that they all enjoyed each other and really were friends. And I was impressed with David. Like he did during the E! News set visit, he was good about talking about the others, drawing attention to the others, not just going on and on about himself as some stars tend to do. And he genuinely seemed friendly with James, often smiling and giving him friendly pats on the shoulder.
NOTE: There is some spoilerish info near the end about the 100th episode. If you don't want to know, stop reading when Ryan asks for some inside info.
First teaser during the show…
Ryan: Who is the biggest flirt on the cast of "Angel"? The stars rate each other, next.
[Cuts to live shot in green room - actually purple room - where David, James, JAR and Andy are waiting.]
[After commercial break…]
R: You know them as Vampires, demons and lawyers and they're here celebrating their 100th episode which airs TONIGHT. [Loud cheers from audience] Please welcome the cast from "Angel", David Boreanaz, James Marsters, J. August Richards, Andy Hallett.
[Cuts to the four of them standing at back of aisle between/under seats waiting to come out. They appear relaxed. James and JAR are talking, you see James smiling big and laughing a bit. They come out to LOUD screams, standing ovation from audience. Definitely fans of the show in the audience. People are holding up signs (one says JAMES MARSTERS) and pictures from the show or magazines.]
[David waves to audience. JAR gives Ryan a quick hug/pat on back. Andy and Ryan shake hands. David and James sit down on a red couchlike seat. JAR and Andy sit in tall chairs behind them. Crowd still roaring! David, JAR and Andy wave to audience. James is smiling. James sits down, legs wide (kind of like the infamous scene in Spike's apt. in "Soul Purpose". Crowd still clapping, cheering. Andy taps James on shoulder and points out to audience. James look back at Andy first then out to where he's pointing. They smile and laugh. Audience is quieting down but quite a few loud cheers still going. Someone yells out, "Spike!". David smiles, pats/rubs James on shoulder. James hangs head down kind of humble/embarrassed looking but smiling. While this last bit is happening, Ryan is trying to talk but gives up to let the cheering continue. Then says, "Oh, that won't go to their head. Do I even need to ask him a question or do you just want to stare at him."]
RS: Congratulations on everything Posse. I have the whole team here. I want to thank you for coming here, the whole gang, on the day of the 100th episode. That means a lot to us.
JM: (smiles) We could be drunk now you know. [Audience laughs, Ryan and David both say something I can't make out. James lets out one of his beautiful laughs.]
R: Angel is obviously, most people know this, is a spin-off. Spin-offs can be a very high-risk scenario. What was it, David, when you started this that you said, "Alright, I'm okay doing a spin-off in this case"?
DB: Well, Joss presented it to me and it made sense. It made sense. It made sense from this character's standpoint. He could no longer be on "Buffy" and be with Buffy, so there had to be a change. And when he presented it to me, I was actually working on the show and we were working on a period piece where we go back in time so I didn't really think much about it at the time. And it's just evolved from Season 1 to where it is now. And I've been blessed to have James come over, and Andy come over and J and Alexis and Amy, who aren't here today to say hello to all you guys. And the show has just evolved in the last four seasons and we're just really, really happy where it is right now.
JM: Basically, it doesn't suck. [Audience laughs. David laughs. Andy laughs and puts his hands on James' shoulders.] Really…
DB: (laughing) He loves that line. [audience claps]
RS: But James, was there ever a point when you said to yourself, "I don't think I'll even make it to the 100th episode?"
JM: No. I'm a glutton for punishment. Seriously, I love it. We work 12 to 15 hours every day and I love it. It's better than being home.
AH: Shall I take that question? (laughing) [James says, "Go ahead." David laughs, points at Andy and says "Andy, that's your cue." James turns toward Andy laughing a bit and says to go ahead. JAR is laughing too.]
RS: Why, what does he… what does he have in the hopper?
AH: I didn't want to jump on that one. (laughing) I'm just in the make-up for a little bit longer… three hours.
[Camera is close up on Andy. Someone off camera, James? David?, says, "Is it three hours?" Andy replies to them, nodding, "It's about three hours."]
JM: (leaning forward and turning to face Andy in teasing voice) The way you talk about it, it's like 9 hours man. [James and Andy laugh. James mimes a distressed "woe is me" kind of motion, with one hand to his forehead, leaning back quick.]
RS: We could play the other game sweeping the nation… Guess who has chemically induced hair on the set.
[Big laugh from Andy. Smiles from David and James. James laughing to himself then put finger to chin, like, "hmm, wonder who that could be?". David rests his hand on James' shoulder again and is laughing.]
DB: Well, my hair is chemically induced. [Andy smiles and sort of raises hand.]
JAR: (raises hand) Guess whose isn't? Who's all natural.
RS: I think you're what they call a "gimmie". We knew that, yeah. (JAR smiling, nods)
DB: When the show started off and then everyone kind of died off and they were looking for characters to come on. And J came on… (looking at JAR) Was it season 2 right?
JAR: Season 1
DB: Season 1, toward the end of season 1, and his impact was fantastic. We were doing a scene up on the rooftop and the two of us, we really got together real well on it and we just jibed. He's been fantastic. And then Andy came over and he's just added such a comedic level to the character. He's brought this small character and made it explode.
AH: Paul Lynde… remember when I first came on…
DB: I think his character is like Paul Lynde on acid. That's my take on it.
AH: That's what you always used to say. (everyone laughing)
DB: And James has been… having James this season for us has just been tremendous. I mean, we couldn't have a greater come over and help us out. [audience erupts in cheers]
RS: Do you guys give David a hard time for being Angel and a heartthrob? [David laughs]
JAR: No, we give him a harder time for being Mr. Mom. He's a really dedicated father and it's really cool to see him interact with his son.
RS: Are you getting better at that fathering thing?
JAR: He's always been good at it.
RS: Are you reading lots of books?
DB: I'm learning by experience. And that experience is pretty heavy.
RS: What's the strangest thing you've learned along this way, because you can't ever prepare for it.
DB: You can't because it's constantly rolling. It's ever changing and this little kid, every day he has something new to say.
RS: Anything that sticks out?
DB: He wakes up in the morning and he's like, "mom, dad" -- he's in between us -- and he says "juice". He says "juice" and I’m like, "let's get some juice kid." (smiling big)
JM: You should see him come on the set too. He's like a little producer, this high (motions a few feet up from floor.) He's like… (mimes… chin out, shoulders and arms back, looking around fearlessly). He just looks around. He has no fear.
AH: (talking to David) At the 100th … at the party, when he came out and took the cake. And you brought him over to the cake to look at the cake and he took a big piece of cake and just shoved it all over David's face. (they all laugh)
DB: They're fantastic because they make you simple. Kids are great.
[They go out to where a crowd is outside and there is a guy with a mic so people can ask questions…Note from Talkie: I'm going to skip over the chit chat, "where are you from" etc. and just get to their question and the answers.]
MicGuy: And the question is…
Woman in Crowd: David, you just directed your first episode. How is it to direct your coworkers?
DB: These guys here? (smiling) You know what, they all showed up, extremely prepared and I told them to throw everything out the window, do what you do best, and they were fantastic with it. I mean, everybody was very supportive. So it made my job a lot easier. Look, I know what these guys can do. I’m not going to sit there and tell you have to do them to do this and this and this. There are little things you kind of want to maneuver and stuff, but they're professionals. They bring something to the table. That's why they got hired. That's why they're doing this job. That's what makes them so great so you let that confidence ride and you'd be amazed at how beautiful things happen.
JAR: But now lie, the crew, the entire crew, felt that David was one of the best directors we've had since the beginning. (James is nodding his head vigorously up and down in agreement.) And that's not even an exaggeration. That's not being nice.
JM: That's not Hollywood crap. Seriously... (Ryan interrupts him…)
RS: So it's not one of those situations where the STAR just wants to be a director? (James shakes his head "no". Meanwhile David is silently reaching into his jeans pocket. Pulls out some money and starts to hand it to JAR. JAR and AH laughingly reach for it.)
JM: It's going to take more than a twenty. (looks over at it as David is putting it away) Oh it's a $100?! Oh, I've got…
JM: They were begging us. They were saying, get him to direct again when we're really tired. Because if they get a bad director when we're really tired, we'll probably quit. So please get David back when we need him.
RS: Can you give us some inside information on what's going to happen on the big episode?
* * * * spoilerish bit below * * * *
DB: Oh man. It's so much that's going on. I mean, we've seen this crew from where it was on day one and we go back in Angel's past, everyone who's had an impact on the first show. And there's a nice tribute to Glenn Quinn, who passed away unfortunately last year, who played Doyle. [cheers from audience] Charisma. Charisma Carpenter wakes up from her coma. And uh, you know, Joss Whedon creates again a story that is a bit of a tear jerker. And there's a big sword fight with me and Lindsey at the end and these guys are along for the ride. And I think it's the first time Charisma pushes my character over the edge and says you've got to get out there and start making an impact, a difference in your character. Stop wallowing around being depressed. You know, do what you do best, and that's kicking some a**. And that's basically what happens.
[audience cheers]
RS: (to camera) So the a** kicking ensues tonight on the 100th episode of "Angel". (turning back to James) Hey, did you see…
DB: Oh, I've got something for you…
RS: At the top of the show he's talking about that little announcement…
DB: But I brought something for you.
RS: You've got something for me?
DB: James, didn't you bring it?
JM: Oh yeah. [crew woman comes out and hands James a fake human leg and foot skeleton] We have to give you our bone.
DB: This is a gift for you.
RS: This is a gift you brought that we decided to make clue number 2. Alright, this is clue number 2. [some contest to figure out who their mystery guest is. Meanwhile, James is holding the leg up, kind of displaying it.] This is from the set of "Angel." What is it?
JM: It's David Greenwalt. (everyone laughs) This is the only thing that's left of him. He's not with the show any more.
DB: What size is that? (holding out his leg)
JM: (standing up) It's a big ole bone David. (James unfolds the bone at the knee so it becomes a full leg. He sets the foot part on the floor and holds it next to his own leg.) Oh I guess not. It's a little bone. [James folds it back in half. Ryan tells him to give it to an audience member so James walks over to the front row of the audience and hands it to a young woman. Then walks back to the couch by David.]
edited by Talkie to add remaining transcript. Then edited again for a couple of typos and name correction. (Thanks WM! I was trying to be accurate but I'm falling asleep at my computer. :smile: Yikes, now I have to go edit the conference program book for my organization's national conference, which is in two weeks. Can't wait until Feb. 21 when my life should return to it's normal crazed pace. :smile: )
Я тут долго думала, куда положить мои размышления по по поводу последних серий и решила в общеспойлерную, поскольку тут обо всех трех последних сериях сразу.
Какой логике следуют авторы?
Я задала себе вопрос "какой логике следуют авторы?", когда попыталась проанализировать события 11-12 серий со спойлерной точки зрения. И поняла, что четкого ответа у меня нет.
Например, в 11 серии Ангел и Спайк одновременно прибывают в психушку, из которой сбежала Дана. В 12 серии нам точно сообщают, что Спайка проинформировал Линдси. До этого у авторов оставались лазейки - например, Спайк позвонил Ангелу, чтобы предложить поменять вайпер на другую модель, а Харм ляпнула, что, мол, босс уехал в дурдом по срочному делу. Но теперь мы точно знаем, что Спайка навел на Дану Линдси. Соответственно, вопрос: как он узнал? Может быть, у него действительно видения? Или все-таки он как-то выяснил это через Еву, которая - теоретически - могла узнать, куда поехал Ангел. Но на это нужно время, а Ангел и Спайк оказались в больнице одновременно. Значит ли это, что Линдси не притворяется и действительно видит попавших в беду? Ведь это принципиально важный момент, который подтверждает его мандат от Власть Предержащих.
Но, с другой стороны, может быть, сценаристы вообще не заморачиваются такими сложными логическими построениями, и используют не логику реальной жизни, а логику голливудского боевика? Проще говоря, Ангел и Спайк вышли одновременно из разных лифтов, потому что кадр выглядит забавно и может быть прочитан как метафора параллельности их жизненных путей?
Чем дальше, тем сильнее я подозреваю, что попытки просчитать развитие сюжета на основе нормальной человеческой логики могут привести в тупик.
Что мы имеем на конец 12 серии по линии Линдси?
1. Получено подтверждение, что Линдси - это действительно Линдси (упоминание о руке) 2. Он говорит Еве, что Старшие Партнеры дали Ангелу то, ради чего работал он. 3. Он также говорит ей, что заинтересованность в ситуации Власть Предержащих повышает ставки, что вполне устраивает Линдси. 4. По словам Линдси (опять же, обращенным к Еве), Старшие Партнеры никогда не подозревали его (в чем? в интригах вокруг ВиХ, которые он творит в 5 сезоне? или еще в чем-то?), потому что они слишком стары.
Из этой диспозиции совершенно не понятно, почему Линдси проинформировал Спайка, что Ангелу грозит опасность, когда Ева подкинула Ангелу паразита в 10 серии. Причем в 12 серии нам специально подчеркнули, что Спайк оказался в нужном месте в нужное время исключительно по наводке Линдси, хотя в 10 серии этот момент выглядел двусмысленно. То есть - две серии назад Линдси спасал Ангела, а теперь он хочет его уничтожить? Или он не говорит Еве правды и ведет контригру? Но тогда почему он (явно по наводке Евы) натравливает Спайка на Корделию? Потому что она может его разоблачить? Перед кем? Перед Ангелом? Но тогда почему он не дал Еве уничтожить Ангела 2 серии тому назад?
Тупик. Или рай для слэшеров. "Ангел - центр моей вселенной! Я готов взорвать ВиХ, чтобы этот жестокосердый вампир наконец, обратил на меня внимание!" Плюс снятая рубашка.
Или еще что-то, чего мы не замечаем?
Если раньше я бы задала вопрос, что мы проглядели и недоучли, то сейчас мне все сильнее хочется спросить, а не наплевать ли авторам на все эти нюансы? C ниндзя сколько было заморочек - и ничего, проехали и забыли.
И как все-таки понимать события 12 серии? Вариантов масса.
1. Линдси хочет взорвать здание ВиХ, чтобы подорвать доверие СП к Ангелу и занять его место. Конечно, можно возразить, что "места", как такового, после взрыва не осталось бы, но, судя по событиям прошлого, здания ВиХ имеют тенденцию к самовосстановлению. Власть Предержащие хотят видеть на этом посту Ангела, а не Линдси, и поэтому вмешиваются.
2. Линдси хочет уничтожить империю зла, Власть Предержащие \Старшие Партнеры этого не хотят, будят Корди, убеждают ее, что Ангел в беде и она может исправить ситуацию. Соответственно, всех опять поимели: и Ангела, оставшегося на посту Hell Incorporated, и Корди, которую заставили его в этом убедить.
3. Пробуждение Корди - ее личная заслуга, должок, который отдают ей Власть Предержащие за то, что попользовались ею по полной программе. Не стоит искать глубоких подтекстов, Корди просто по старой памяти ненадолго возвращается в амплуа "глашатая неприятных истин".
4. Корди - все-таки не Корди, а ее очередное нехорошее воплощение (аргумент "за": ее предложение пытать Еву - предложение, которое поддержала только "технически нехорошая" Харм). Ее подослали, чтобы нейтрализовать усилия Линдси по уничтожению ВиХ, и она сознательно работала в этом направлении, изображая дурочку, а прокололась только когда потребовала пытки Евы.
5. Дэвиду Фьюри нужно было написать юбилейный эпизод, в котором были бы все элементы традиционного коктейля: и тайна, и страшная угроза, и юмор, и драки, и ностальгические воспоминания - а если особого смысла не получится - ничего страшного. Дело не в смысле, а в юбилейном настроении.
It's a Very Vampy Birthday for Angel--and You're Invited to the Party
by Kristin | Feb. 6, 2004 (The artist formerly known as Wanda)
Angel turned 100 this week. And, hot damn, that boy still looks fine.
To celebrate, I'm letting the show's entire gang (all seven castmembers and creator Joss Whedon) do the talking, thanks to one-on-one interviews and video clips from the 100th-episode celebration.
You have to be an E! Online Insider to watch the clips, but signing up is totally quick and painless--unlike, I'm sure, Spike's lovemaking. Mmm...
Up first, that soulless vamp who started it all. No, not that one. The other one. You know, Angel himself: David Boreanaz.
One hundred episodes. Must feel good. Yes. I never imagined the show getting to 100 episodes. I only imagined getting the work done that was in front of me. When we started this journey four and a half seasons ago, David Greenwalt and Joss Whedon were like, "One down, 99 to go," and I was like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa--I need to focus on this scene we're shooting on the rooftop." And here we are.
And now Cordelia's gone. Will Angel ever get some lovin'? That's always been a sore subject for him. He just can't seem to find the right girl. I think that because of his character, if she can't keep his interest, he'll be pretty quick to move on.
You have sparks of a different kind with Spike. Yeah, it's been pretty hostile lately, and it will simmer a little bit, but that conflict between them will always remain. At the bottom of it all, there is respect.
Right. And you can respect the fact that he kicked your ass. He didn't kick my ass! [Laughs.] It was fake. It's all pitiful. I'll come back. We've had many battles, and he may have beat me that time, but we still have nine episodes to go.
And after that? Another season? It's the same thing every season: You don't know. I think our show is open to another season. I'm proud we've gotten to 100. But I'm really itching to explore other characters and do other projects. I think I've been stuck in this medical school for a while, and I need to open up and get out. I look forward to that, and there's part of me that wants to explore. I don't know. I always evaluate that at the end of every season, and I will at the end of this one. I'll think about where I'm at when it's time.
Charisma Carpenter: Cordelia
How's the reunion? It's good to be back. Totally different and completely the same, all at the same time. It's surreal. I remember the first day Joss put his arm around my neck and said, "What do you think of a spinoff?" And I was like, "Eek, I don't know. What if it flops?" And he told me he'd never put me out there without a safety net. And here we are--well, here they are--100 episodes later.
Do you think you'll come back again? I don't think so, no. I think this is it.
No! Why? The thing about Cordelia is that her stories have been told. I think this is it. And what a time to go--the 100th episode. I think everything has been explored for her. And it's really a sweet, sweet episode. Joss had written me a note and said this is one of the sweeter stories we've ever told. And I agree.
Do you pay attention to what the fans are saying? Well, my mom tells me what they say online, on the Internet, and I think they're pissed, you know? I think they're pissed that she's not back for good...But I think the 100th episode gives some closure. It's good for the fans. It was essential to get it situated, because it would have been a horrible crime if we left her in a coma. Joss never wanted to do that, either.
And now you're a mom. Yes. I always, always wanted to be a mom. I thought I'd be a mom a long time ago. Like, at 22 or 23, I thought I'd be a mom and be married. But here I am, Hollywood woman, working and having a baby. [My son] was here earlier, hanging with us, but he fell asleep amidst all the cake-cutting festivities. It was like, "Hey, Mom, congratulations...ugh, I'm over it."
Andy Hallett: Lorne
So, 100 episodes. How does it feel? Yawn. You're going to start with that?
Okay--when was the last time you were naked in public? Oh, 25 minutes ago. Back at Stage Four with the caterers. No, really, naked in public? Mardi Gras three years ago. I walked off the plane and was like, "I can't believe people expose themselves for beads! I would never do that!" My friends found me three hours later in a ditch, covered in beads. Now, what was the first question?
One hundred episodes. Right. I came in at the beginning of season two with hopes of appearing a couple of times, and I never thought it would come to this. I did 53 episodes as a guest character. I sort of felt like part of the team already, but last season, Joss called me, out of the blue, and said, "What do you think about coming onboard?" And it was great and shocking. What made it really extra special, the nicest part of it, was he said, "We don't know if the show is going to get picked up next year. So, if it doesn't go, I'd like you to be able to say you were a regular castmember." Which I thought was really cool.
And now you're wasting away in the makeup chair. Yeah, I'm the only mother that has to sit in there for three hours. Have you seen Dane Johnson running around here? He's head of the makeup department, and he's armed and dangerous, with an airbrush. He came up to me and said I was getting Duo next year, which is a weak glue that keeps on women's eyelashes. David Boreanaz gets it, so he can just peel off his makeup, it's so easy for him. But, my dear, if I were to peel my makeup off, I would look like Freddy Krueger. It would peel off layers of skin! David gets a kick out of trying to pull my makeup off...What was the question?
We'll just move on. Do you ever get recognized? Working on Angel has been my first real gig, and you know, I'm green. But, one time--this is hilarious: My good drag-queen friend used to perform up at the Queen Mary in the Valley. It was a landmark, a famous drag-queen landmark for years. And Miss Patrice would get up there, and sometimes I would sing with her--not in drag--and she could sing her ass off...and what was my point? Oh yeah, some guy said he knew me from looking at my eyes. And I was like, No way. I mean, first of all, I wear red contacts.
If you tell me what's coming up on the show, I'll be your best friend. I haven't the foggiest, I swear to God. The policy of Joss Whedon and the other producers is that they are very secretive. I think that's cool, because it provides a very spontaneous vibe for everybody. The actors are just as surprised as the viewers.
J. August Richards: Gunn
Man, you've changed. I'm having a blast. My character has gone from being this scraggly, rough, homeless vampire hunter to this serious, methodical lawyer; the adjustment has been tremendous. I have to do what Alexis used to do: deliver very long paragraphs to tell the audience what's going on. I'm falling all over my words.
Are you getting a love interest? On the show?
No, in real life. [Laughs.] My character has either attacked or kissed everybody on the show. Gunn is attracted to every woman who walks in the door, so I'm sure it won't be long before I have another love interest. I gotta put the feelers out, and maybe something will come back.
Tell us the truth. Was David horrible as a director? I'll be honest. When I first heard David was directing, I was like, "Lord, we ain't going to get nothing done." [Laughs.] But he was one of the most accomplished and focused directors we've had, and the insight he gave me as an actor was mind-blowing. I was like, "I didn't know you watched my work that tight."
Are you hoping for another season? Definitely. Now that my character has changed, I feel like we've just started. Gunn's so much more like me now, which is a good thing. The words are words I would use, but this character is very much a child at heart. He still seems like a different person, but he's a lot closer to me.
How was the reunion with Charisma? Fantastic. We couldn't have done the 100th episode without her. It's like she never left, except now she has a little boy with her. This is the baby set. I'm one of the few childless people on the set, and I want to keep it that way. Everyone is popping out babies and getting married. Be careful, I think there's something in the water.
Alexis Denisof: Wesley First things first. How is married life? It's fantastic. I love it. I mean, I'm very proud of the show and all the work here--I'm proud of lots of things in my life. But definitely, the happiest moment has to be taking that step with Alyson [Hannigan]. She was radiant that day, and we went out on our honeymoon, and we just blissed out. I don't remember my feet touching the ground. We could be together in a trailer in Alabama and be happy.
And this milestone on the show? It feels good. I mean, it's like we put 100,000 miles on the clock, but it's a new car, and it just goes and goes. I think this season has got everybody really excited with the new energy, new characters, new sets, new storylines. There's a lot going on, and that's exciting for all of us.
Has it been tough playing the same character for so long? Never. I had to adjust to it, to be perfectly honest. I was used to quick turnover in characters, hadn't really experienced this longevity with a role. But I was fortunate with this role because I've grown and changed a lot, especially going back to Buffy, when I was this big, irritating dork.
Joss has a way of throwing curveballs, doesn't he? Yes. Unlike many shows, where the characters are forced to stay the same and let the events around them change, Joss encourages the events to affect the characters and really change them. He never lets it stay the same. Which is very brave--sometimes you feel like you're crashing into a wall, and there are going to be pieces all around. I don't know how he does it. He's insane, that Joss Whedon. That's the only explanation I have. The man is insane.
Amy Acker: Fred
We know you're close with Joss. So, spill. What's going to happen? Actually, Joss just told us the things that would happen at the end of this season and the beginning of next season. They sounded really cool. It's not the way I thought it would go at all. It's going to be intense. Literally, he told us, "Last night I thought of how the season is going to end." So, he just came up with it. He's really brilliant, not just in the show, but with anything he does.
How was it to see Charisma again? Awesome. She's a mom and all happy and looks beautiful. We were all happy to have her back on the show for at least a couple of days.
How do you feel about Buffy vets coming to your show? It's good! I wish I knew more about them--my character was never on Buffy. When James Marsters came on the show, I hadn't met him, but everyone told me he was great. He and Mercedes McNab bring a new energy to the show.
What do the fans say to you? Well, I don't get recognized a lot, so I haven't had too many weird interactions. But, it's funny, when I got on the show, my parents started having parties every time it was on, with 15 or 20 of their friends, who are in their fifties and live in Texas. Now I get calls from all of their friends who are addicted to the show, and they're like, "We'd even watch it if you weren't on it." It's always the people who you wouldn't think would be audience members who really love it.
Do you ever read what the fans say online? Alexis gave me a piece of advice. I went on there, and there were probably 30 great things and one bad thing and he said, "You only remember the one bad thing." So, I try not to read that stuff, but I think it's good even if people don't like it. They're passionate. And it's our job to get a reaction out of people.
James Marsters: Spike
How's your new home? On Buffy, it was like being at a buffet and just getting a little bit. Now, they are piling it on so much I'm weary. But it's exactly what I wanted.
And working with David Boreanaz? Be honest. Hollywood has not changed David one iota. He's the same guy I met all those years ago. The rest of the cast is in that same envelope--really supportive. And that's a gift, because a lot of your life is spent here.
And you get to beat up Angel. Yeah, man. It's good to get Spike and Angel together and let them just beat the living hell out of each other. That sets up a great arc for Angel. Spike seems to be a bit of a mirror for Angel. They both are vampires with souls, they've both had a very long lifetime, and they both have a huge amount of guilt and regret. So, there's a lot more dramatic potential between the two than I first realized.
So much in common...Do you think they'll ever reconcile? To evolve the relationship from where it is now, which is deep distrust...I wouldn't want to move away from that very quickly, because I think it's a good place to be for a while. I think it challenges Angel in a very deep way. It would be kind of weird if the two of them were steadfast buddies. So, yeah, Spike and Angel? They're not gonna kiss.
Another season--yay or nay? What's your gut feeling? That is a political game. There are bosses, and bosses above bosses, and I'm so glad I'm not involved in that decision. But our product is solid, and it's pretty amazing. I think we could go another 100.
Do you have that much Spike left in you? I have a deep sense that I am going to work in the field of acting for as long as I want. I may not make huge money, but I'll make a living. So, if Spike is around 10 years, I'll be around for another 30. As long as people are interested in Spike and the metaphors are used in a responsible way and not just for flash, he'll be around. And I'll be happy.
Joss Whedon: The Creator
Amy Acker says you know how the season ends.
Okay, Miss I-Won't-Ask-About-Spoilers! [Laughs.] I was upstairs working on the episode that I'm going to direct, and it occurred to me that it was going to change things for the group.
I felt we needed to pay service to the gravity of what we are dealing with. They are in a nest of vipers and working for terrible people. I had already pitched the very end, but we were trying to figure out how we get to the end without the same old, "Oh, here comes an apocalypse, we better stop it!" We've been there, done that. It's like a crutch. I'm like an addict. I can't go a season on a show without an apocalypse. There probably would have been one on Firefly. So, this is different. I was upstairs in my study free-associating late one night, and I realized, "Omigod, this isn't just an apocalypse. This is how I need to answer the question about Wolfram & Hart." And you'll never get the answer out of me.
Fair enough. Do you think we'll ever again see Buffy or Willow on Angel? Alyson was obviously on the show last year, and that was a lot of fun--we just love having her around. And Willow is somebody I'd love to see on the show again. Buffy, that's sort of up to her. If she's interested in doing an episode, we'd always make room. There are two guys in the cast who are in love with her, so it's not like she has nothing to play. But it's really her call.
Did you ever think you'd make it to 100 episodes? I always thought I'd make it to 100 episodes. I didn't have any idea what kind of show I'd have on my hands, the show has mutated so much, but you don't start making a show going, "This will be three episodes and out. Who's with me?!" You have to have that energy. But I have to admit, there were times that I doubted. There was no doubt in my mind we had 100 stories in us--it was whether we'd get to tell them.
Do you feel there's more life left in the show? Totally. I may not feel that way at the end of next year's season, but right now everyone feels vital and excited. We have a lot more paradigm to cover. If they cancel us, we'll go out with a bang, but if they don't, we'll just keep bangin'.
Обратите внимание на слова ДБ: But I'm really itching to explore other characters and do other projects. I think I've been stuck in this medical school for a while, and I need to open up and get out. I look forward to that, and there's part of me that wants to explore. I don't know. I always evaluate that at the end of every season, and I will at the end of this one. I'll think about where I'm at when it's time.
Похоже, начинается то самое, что обычно бывает перед истечением срока контракта. И то, что ДБ начал эти разговоры во время празднования юбилея - достаточно сезьезный признак того, что его агент будет торговаться о цене до последнего.
Катастрофа! У меня не скачивается, обрывается на 13-14%! Ужас!!! Но то что успела посмотреть впечатляет! Мне даже Дэвид понравился (сама не верю своим словам!), но он там действительно симпатичный,а ДМ как всегда неотразим и в неизиенных джинсах! Интересно у него другая одежда есть и сколько лел (веков) этим джинсам?!
Спойлернщ-параноидальные соображения после прочтения спайкфида 11 серии.
Геро:
цитата:
Ты как Гендальф Белый, воскрешенный из ям Балрога
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цитата:
Эры тому назад на Черном континенте три мудрых старейшины решили бороться со злом его собственным оружием. Они взяли молодую девушку и наделили ее силой демона, - Эндрю становится за Фред и берет ее за плечи, затем изображает демона, ставя рожки возле ее ушей *
Странно - за первые 3-5 минут своего пребывания на экране Эндрю делает две пророческие штуки: во-первых, сравнивает Спайка с Гэндальфом - и в конце серии мы видим Спайка Белого. Причем для поднятия рейтингов было бы выгоднее не облачать его в белые одежды, а оставить голым до пояса. Но авторы остановились все-таки на "варианте Гэндальфа". Во-вторых, Эндрю демонстрирует "демона" на Фред - и через 4 серии она таковым становится, если отвлечься от деталей - конечно, Старейшие не просто демоны, но в общем evil и пр. Легко возразить, что Эндрю демонстрирует "демона" на Фред, потому что она единственная девушка в комнате. Но на это есть контр-возражение, что он мог бы вообще ничего не демонстрировать или показать рожки у себя над головой. Эх, хреново, когда нет сценариев! Они очень многие щекотливые моменты проясняют. Наприемр, если бы в сценарии не было такой актерской ремарки, как "Эндрю показывает "демона" на Фред", можно было бы со спокойной душой забыть об этом моменте и списать на актерско-режиссерскую импровизацию, а не часть Большого Плана.
(паранойя нарастает, перерастая в истерический смех) В свете вышесказанного забавно, что в момент разговора о Баффи Эндрю пробует монетку на зуб. Как вы думаете, это тонкий намек?
Во-вторых, Эндрю демонстрирует "демона" на Фред - и через 4 серии она таковым становится, если отвлечься от деталей - конечно, Старейшие не просто демоны, но в общем evil и пр. Легко возразить, что Эндрю демонстрирует "демона" на Фред, потому что она единственная девушка в комнате.
Ага, а как он насчет Ганна и черного континента? И на этот раз я не про Египет
Так вот, пытаюсь восстановить свой пост, но мысль может потреяться - думала написать еще вчера, но решила докачать 12-ю серию и уже в ее контексте что-то писать )
Корди... Лично я после просмотра считаю, что это была не она, возможно, ее материализовавшийся дух, но кто его знает? Был в серии очень интересный момент - когда Ангел и Уэс приезжают в больницу, то думают, что Корди все еще лежит на кровати - видны женские ноги под одеялом, а вторую половину туловища, верхнюю, прикрывает шторка, они двигаются к ней, а тут оказывается, что Корделия в больничной одежде стоит прямо за ними, Корди начинает что-то вещать и старательно прикрывает шторкой даму, меня сразу кольнуло, мол, не хочет, чтобы они увидели, кто на той кровати - вот на ней, сдается мне, и лежала все еще Корделия.... Но я все равно не думаю, что это был злой двойник, хотя смотря для кого - эта Корди пыталась встряхнуть Ангела, помочь ему найти себя, но помогла ли? Кстати, в ее смерти я тоже не уверена - телефонный звонок в ВиХ? Are you kidding me? Впрочем, посмотрим
Ева - как по мне, с девушкой далеко не все так просто, как нам кажется, и она нам еще аукнется, причем хорошо, но вот что происходит сейчас - большой вопрос...
Бросился в глаза еще один момент - как минимум три раза за серию упоминает демоническая кровь. Спайк, пробующий кровь Корди, Линдси, подрезавший демона и кровь Лорна как демона для ритуала против заклинания Линдси. Последняя, кстати, фигурирует, как нечистая, Лорн долго отпихивается, а затем снова напоминает об этом уже в конце серии, интересный момент по ходу - когда Уэс проводит этот "кровавый" ритуал, проскакивают первые намеки на Уэс/Фред в завороженном взгляде Фред. Что мы имеем? Намек на будущее демонство Фред и непосредственное участие в этом Уэса? Хм...
Линдси, Линдси, Линдси.. Не знаю, на кого он работает, но ВиХ просто так таких сотрудников не отпускает (см. Лайла даже после смерти, контракты, как и рукописи, не горят), разве что он действительно работает на ПТБ, но тогда возникает наш любимый вопрос - ПТБ и Старшие Партнеры не одно ли и тоже есть? Зачем ему все это понадобилось - тоже вопрос, если получить то, что имеет сейчас Ангел - глупо, у него все это могло быть еще три года назад, когда ему отдали предпочтение в борьбе с Лайлой, в тоже время - "Некоторые люди не меняются!" - "Я изменился!", почему-то у меня сразу проассоциировалось с "Some people can't be saved".... В общем, загдочная ситуация, но в том, что Линдси все же дурил Еву я практически уверена.
И всю серию мне мерещилось Becoming, part 2 и Акатла - снова Ангел, снова Спайк прикрывает тылы, Ангела снова протыкают мечом в сердце и снова открывается портал, который засасывает виновника торжества в неизвестном направление, даже фраза Ангела "I'm Angel" вызывает четкие ассоциации со знаменитым "Me!" Баффи.... В общем, одна сплошная загадка природы )
VasquezE, мне кажется, что доля истины есть в каждом твоем пункте. Хоть я так сильно и не задумывалась. Но еще ко всему можно прибавить то, что Ангела надо оставить во главе «В и Х», а то он очень уж сопротивляться начал, даже уйти собрался. Но в конце серий вроде как успокоился и уверовал в правое дело. А глашатай Корди, сначала провозгласила неприятные истины, а потом сама же и успокоила. И почему Линдси решил выпустить зверя именно сейчас раньше не мог или он хотел комнату ему показать? Что еще удивило так это отношение его любимых друзей к новому офису. Ангел упереживался весь уже, а их вроде как все устраивает. Странные они какие-то. А рожки могут, объяснены просто, Эндрю очень экспрессивен, вот и показал. Он же Эндрю он не мог без шоу рассказать. Хотя, контр аргумент насчет, показать на себе, убедителен. Но вот только заострила ли ты на этом внимание, если не знала что произойдет дальше?
ЗЫ Если кому интересно, фотки с шоу Ryan Seacrest,, первая очень мила. )) Оттуда же, из серии ЖЗЛ, ДМ в килте.
*Выползая из-под груды дел и не вовремя пожаловавших хворей* Ух, а вот и я... (Не судите за нехарактерную краткость и характерную бесструктурность: ко всему упомянутому я получила несколько *очень* понравившихся мне серий подряд, а это всегда действует).
Во-первых, как уже знает Геро, я в очередной раз убедилась, что мои ассоциации идут решительно не в ритм с окружающими . Все видят в ангельском победном слогане повторение ситуации в "Становлении", а мне в голову упорно лезет "Энн": "Я - Баффи, Истребительница вампиров. А ты?" Ведь не только обстоятельства похожи (в отличие от "Становления", где Баффи находилась на грани физической гибели, в "Энн" расклад сил был уже много ближе к "Пожалуйста": в обоих случаях у героев в ту секунду не было *настоящих* врагов, кроме себя самих), но и фразы абсолютно рифмуются. "Я - Баффи". "Я - Ангел". И оба тут же определяют свою функцию. (Как бы не отрифмовался и тот факт биографии "Энн", что та моральная победа оказалась не очень надежной и не очень долговечной - уже в следующей серии едва не произошел рецидив, хотя и не без активной помощи любимого окружения).
А вот в чем я с Геро абсолютно согласна - так это по поводу Корделии. То есть, я пока не берусь даже предполагать, была ли это настоящая Корди - могла и быть, с учетом ее отношений с ПТБ (тело в коме лежит, а дух по делам ходит, в счет должка от начальства *ехидно*) - но что ее роль в этом деле выглядит сомнительной... Скажем так, надо довольно крепко зажмуриться, чтобы этого не заметить. Ведь правда же: посмотрев на сюжет беспристрастно, что мы видим, кроме того, что Ангел пытался сбежать - и был остановлен, возвращен в то самое двусмысленное положение, которое наконец и сам стал замечать? И является ли эта его новообретенная уверенность в себе прогрессом - или все-таки наоборот, возвращением к той самой простоте, которая хуже воровства, добровольным закрытием глаз?
А если еще вспомнить, что а) если бы не замечательный характер всеми любимого блондина , мы тут за милую душу могли бы еще одного very pissed-off vampire, которому в том же процессе обломали его героическую мечту; б) если Корди работала отнюдь не на добро, то понятен ответ на вопрос Васкез о вроде бы непонятном ротозействе на ее счет Линдси и Евы - то... Скажем так: если бы не тот факт, что в очередной раз сделав Корди представительницей темных сил, МЕ рискуют просто уже отчаянно (любители Корделии и так жаждут их крови), я была бы практически уверена, что опять мы все глубоко не так поняли. А так - я просто сильно это подозреваю.
И да, Васкез, я глубоко не уверена, что планы Линдси нам открылись во всей своей ясности - даже и теперь. (А вернее - *особенно* теперь, когда уже все проспойлеренные фаны знают, что это его явление далеко не последнее). Даже оставив (пока) в покое ту самую, навязшую в зубах гипотезу об андроидах - а мне все-таки весьма любопытно, как все обошлось с его чужой рукой, и никак не идет из головы ни Уиндам-Прайс старший, ни "более или менее похожая" на оригинал Баффи-бот - по поводу товарища МакДональда у меня на сегодняшний момент все время вертится в голове одна фразочка из мультика "Химеры". Был там такой эпизод про эльфов (кстати, довольно четко соблюдающий их мифо-психологию), где Титании вычитывают, как нехорошо то, что она хотела сделать, и как это было ужасно, если бы оно осуществилось. На что она отвечает: What makes you think that what actually came out, wasn't what I really tried to do in the first place? Вот и я не уверена, не был ли результат этой серии именно тем, чего Линдси *на самом деле* и хотел. (Что ответило бы на вопрос, зачем он спасал Ангела. И объяснило, почему монстрик такой - как жалуются многие - недостаточно впечатляющий).
То есть, я не говорю, что Линдси и Корделия (а не обязательно Линдси и Ева) действовали в компании и по сговору... но то, что они (по каким бы уж там ни было причинам) хотели одного и того же - удержать потенциально беглого Ангела "в игре" и на месте - мне кажется все более и более.
Потому что восстановлением статус-кво от этой серии за версту несет. Ангела не только вернули в эту самую игру, ему, как уже сказано, вернули "черно-белый" взгляд на вещи ("я Ангел, я побиваю плохих парней", а остальное неважно) в комплекте с привычным набором врагов. Вот Линдси образца *задолго* до "Тупика" (видишь, Ангел? ты всегда был прав, злодеи не меняются, все просто); вот Спайк-соперник... только со Спайком вышел облом (см. выше). Что лишний раз подтверждает его роль "темной лошадки" и внезапного фактора, вечно - и часто весьма не к худу - нарушающего баланс.
Словом, кто как, а я считаю, что недаром, недаром перевести этот заголовок можно не только как "Пожалуйста", но и как "Добро пожаловать". Обратно, надо полагать. (И кстати, Спайк теперь тоже объявлен членом команды - от души надеюсь, что новый представитель от СП переоценил свои, и их, возможности - так что добро пожаловать дважды...)
АlhenaG, фотки - класс! Спасибо! Стренджер, привет! Принимая во внимание твои соображения, я все больше склоняюсь к мысли, что Ангела-таки пользуют капитально, и очень не хотят это дело прекращать. Насчет Корди, честно говоря, неохота заморачиваться, потому что она явно ушла насовсем. Линдси... очень может быть, что он действительно получил именно то, что ему и было нужно. (Об этом мы, по крайней мере, получим возможность узнать - рано или поздно).
А пока - новость дня. Вчера вечером по американскому и сегодня утром по российскому времени. какой-то товарищ, назвавшийся Планетой Вампиров, кинул в Сеть бомбу: в 17 серии вернется Джули Бенц, она сыграет жену Линдси\Ганна, а потом будет играть Дарлу.
Date Posted: 22:28:57 02/07/04 Sat Author: Planet Of The Vampires Author Host/IP: dialup-171.75.42.235.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net / 171.75.42.235 Subject: Major casting news for episode 17!
Julie Benz has been cast for the rest of the season. In episode 17 she will be playing the wife of Lindsey and Gunn and then later in the season Darla. You're in for a wild ride this season, have fun!
Можно ли этому верить? Берем сайдзы и смотрим оригинал: A beat, then the door opens, revealing Trish. On Angel, surprised to see this beautiful woman.
TRISH Can I help you?
ANGEL (not sure what to make of this) Is Lindsey home?
Trish smiles
TRISH Sure. Come on in.
The guys exchange glances, follow Trish into …
INT. Suburban House – Entry/Family room – continuous.
As they enter …
TRISH (calling out) Honey! (to the guys) There’s coffee …
ANGEL We’re fine. Thanks.
As Lindsey emerges from the hallway that leads to the bedroom …
LINDSEY (to Trish) Zach’s hockey stick’s gone missing – (sees our guys) Hey, there. Didn’t realise we had company.
TRISH (to Lindsey) I’ll do search and rescue.
Окей, Ангел **удивлен** видеть Триш\Нэнси, но его удивление явно относится к ситуации: с каких, мол, это пор у Линдси семья и домик в пригороде? Если бы он увидел женщину с лицом Дарлы, его рекация была бы наверняка посильнее.
Но, с другйо стороны, если он перед этим побродил по альтернативной вселенной и встретил там еще кого-то из старых знакомых - вполне возможно, что способность удивляться уже притупилась...
В общем, подождем развития событий
Два часа спустя: Народ в Сети уже увял в спорах по уши. Самый интересный довод "за" высказывает небезызвестный агент лондонской страховой компании denmaroca.
[> Re: Major casting news for episode 17! -- denmaroca, 09:27:42 02/08/04 Sun (82-43-61-157.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk/82.43.61.157)
Darla coming back?
First thought I had was that Darla will turn out to be the vampire whom the shanshu prophecy is about. It would be delicious if Spike and Angel were head-butting all season about this, and it turns out to be someone else!
Thing to remember about Darla is that when she was last dusted she had a soul at the time, albeit she was sharing her unborn son's, and that she died a champion - of and for that son. Not a grand save-the-world champion, but a more personal, individual, though not in any sense smaller or less important, champion.
And Darla would fit the whole 'will the vampire with a soul save or destroy the world' uncertainty better than Angel, or even Spike.
How does it come about? The SP's alteration of reality re Connor will be subject to the law of unintended consequences - in respect of Connor's oft-despised mother. (One thing to remember about the 'not remembering Connor' situation is that the only thing we know so far is that the othres don't recognise the name - they could simply recall him as 'Frank' for instance , although I doubt it will be that simple!)
While I'm here - Lindsay (probably with Eve) will take over W&H at the end of the season. It's what he always wanted, but I suspect he will do so on the side of good - he'd make a better job of it than Angel, being a greyer (not the 'boring' meaning) individual. We'll have a completely new premise for AtS s6.
I think Joss is making a statement that it is the personal relationships of family, friendship and love that are what rescues the world from evil, not the grand plans - especially 'war plans' - of those who hold executive (read 'political') power.
Честно говоря, о том, что шаншу может получить Дарла, я начала думать, когда узнала, что Джули Бенц была на вечеринке в честь 100 серии. Я бы очень - ОЧЕНЬ - хотела возвращения Дарлы, потому что шоу ужасно не хватает сильных женских характеров. Особенно теперь, когда Корди угрохали окончательно.
Еще один интересный пост. Линда Барлоу со Stakehouse предложила очень забавную трактовку Soul Purpose (Линда сама писательница, но, правда, пишет не fantasy, а любовную прозу. Я не удержалась от комментариев, так что все, что по-русски - мое.
I was rewatching some eps today, including Soul Purpose. Given what we now know about Fred's organs being eaten away from inside, leaving her just a shell for Illeriya, I started to wonder if all Angel's parasite-induced dreams might bear kernel of truth.
He dreamt about each member of the FG. The Fred dream, with her bear assistant and all the strange objects she pulled out of Angel's body, has already been discussed a lot, so I'll skip it here.
WESLEY: This dream seems pretty direct. Wesley comes to Angel, tells him that it must be hard to finally come to grips with the truth. Then he attacks Angel with a stake. We've seen Wesley shoot the cyborg he thought was his father to protect Fred, so it's no big leap to guess that Wesley will turn against Angel when Angel lets Fred die. Wesley is also the person most likely to find out about the mind wipe, since he's the one most likely to be poking around in W&H's library. We know that W&H keep a copy of every contract they've ever made, so IMO they must have one that spells out the terms of the infamous deal with Angel. This could mesh with Wes's comment about "coming to grips with the truth."
А у меня такое впечатление, что Уэс сможет каким-то колдовским образом нейтализовать власть Иллирии и потребует, чтобы ее оставили в живых в "слабом" состоянии (см. конец дополнительных сайдзов). И конфликт возникнет не между "черным" Уэсом и "белым" Ангелом (это было бы слишком просто для Джоссверса), а между двумя непроверяемыми точками зрения: Уэс будет считать Иллирию безобидной, Ангел - опасной.
SPIKE: Angel's first dream of Spike is a redo of the "Cup of Eternal Torment" scene where Spike beats him to the punch, as it were. In the dream, though, Spike grimaces and appears illuminated and transformed -- just as he did in the moment before he began to burn in Chosen. However, it is Angel whose flesh melts off as his skull bursts into flame.
Я тут подумала, что процесс в Chosen поделили на две части: одному вампику достались все преимущества (спасение мира), другому отрицательные последствия (превращение в факел).
Angel surely knows that if he had used the amulet last year in Sunnydale, he would have been the one to do the pillar-of-fire thing. The whole amulet story has not yet been explained (I won't be too surprised if it never is). Surely it's not really Lindsey who recorped Spike -- I'm willing to buy that he can leap around Matrix style and turn jacknives into swords, but raising the dead? Ok, so Lindsey DID raise Darla from the dead, but he had all the power of W&H backing him up at the time.
Я тоже думаю, что объяснять дальше насчет амулета - себе дороже. Я не уверена, кто конкретно стоит за Линдси, но силы у него немеряно. Амулет - "подарок СП", логично предположить, что инструкция по применению тоже была у них. А вот получил ли ее Линдси легально, по блату через Еву или по иным каналам - неизвестно.
Getting back to Angel, will he be the hero who dies a fiery death this season? All the shanshu prophecy promises is that he will live until he dies. That doesn't guarantee longevity.
MORE SPIKE: Angel's next dream of Spike has Blondie Bear in bed making love to Buffy. Angel's worried that Spike is taking Buffy to the prom (LOL) while Spike seems to be more concerned about being interrupted. He mentions being a marathon man, which is obviously a sexual innuendo, but could also refer to the movie of the same name. Nazis, torture -- both of those were coming up for Spike with Soul Purpose aired.
Я почему-то сразу же вспомнила, что ДМ приводил пример "Марафонца" при обсуждении разных стилей актерской игры в интервью в журнале "Ангел" за январь 2004. Интересно, может быть этот вопрос обсуждался на съемочной площадке? И потом был включен в диалог как "инсайдерский" прикол?
Buffy mentions that she kills her goldfish -- a reference to Angel's Fred dream as well as to Spike -- who has been associated in the past with fish, fishes, Christ figures, etc.
The goldfish, said Fred in the Fred dream, is Angel's soul. It's dead and should be flushed. A foreshadowing, perhaps of the re-emergence of Angelus? Souless Angel killed Willow's goldfish back in BtVS season 2. That would be a bang-up way to end the season -- Angel's soul is banished, leaving Angelus to gloat over his victory, with only one vampire with a soul left in the world -- Spike.
Интересно - здесь Линда (спайкофилка, насколько мне известно) совпадает с девушкой с форума Уток.
THE FANG GANG, including the W&H employees: In the next dream they're watching the city burn, quite unconcerned, as if it were a movie. Sounds like typical W&H behavior. "We have one scheduled" (an apocalyse) said Holland back in season 2 during Angel's elevator ride to hell. As we heard yesterday, it seems Joss has one scheduled this year, too.
SPIKE is again the focus of the follow-up dream -- he's the hero who apparently stopped the apocalypse while Angel is the sad, no longer useful mailman (like the former Mexican wrestler-hero). Spike has a huge cake decorated with skyscrapers in flames. It says "Way to go, Spike!" on it, which is rather ambiguous. We don't see Spike putting OUT those flames.
Ну, это, я думаю, из-за малого бюджета...
"It was nothing, really," says Spike, ominous words for some of us who've followed WTP's posts over the years. To which Fred replies, "Nothing? Spike, you single-handedly ended Armageddon and turned the world into a beautiful, happily-ever-after, candy mountain place where all our dreams come true."
The phrase "where all our dreams come true," is an intriguing one, isn't it? Meanwhile Gunn describes the scene outside as "The Living End," which is perhaps even more ominous. When the living ends, Gunn, you're dead.
When the Blue Fairy transforms Spike and his heart begins to beat, Fred is the first one to listen. Next to listen is Gunn, who says, "Oh, I wanna hear." No one else listens to Spike's heart, but Wesley says, in a play on words, "Let's all hear it for Spike!"
We know Fred dies. She also listened to Angel's empty body in the Fred dream ("I think I can hear the sea"). Is listening for a heartbeat similar to walking up the stairs in Restless? Or speaking without moving the lips in Restless, which I think maybe Joyce, Tara and Anya all did. If you listen to Angel (i.e. follow him) are you doomed? I wouldn't put it past Joss to kill the entire Fang Gang, although it does cause problems if the show is renewed!
Ведон хотел закончить пятый сезон "Баффи" убийством всех, кроме Джайлза (да и его-то милостиво оставлял в живых только потому что собирался снимать "Риппера").
LORNE: They all listen to Angel in dream about Lorne, but Angel can't manage to make any sound louder than a squeak. Lorne notes that "the crowd's turning on you." The crowd, of course, consists of the Fang Gang.
THE GANG AGAIN: In the final dream, Angel is seated in an easy chair outside in the daylight, with Fred, Gunn, Wesley and Lorne gathered round him. Is he human here, and thus able to sit in the sun? Or he is dead?
WESLEY You can stay as long as you like. Stay forever.
ANGEL But I'm not supposed to be here.
LORNE No fighting, Angel heart. Time to let freedom ring. Let yourself go.
Ну, если уж играть в ассоциации с названиями фильмов, нельзя не вспомнить "Сердце Ангела" Алана Паркера. Частного детектива Микки Рурка нанимает некий богач Лу Сайфер (Де Ниро), чтобы тот нашел пропавшего человека. Детектив начинает расследование, трупы падают направо и налево, а под конец выясняется, что всех убивал сам детектив, хотя и не помнил об этом (mindwipe). А Лу Сайфер - это современное прочтение имени Люцифер (люблю я игры с именами). И еще одна маленькая деталька: в одной из финальных сцен все тот же Де Ниро, что играет Люцифера, на мгновение появляется в кадре в виде Христа.
All four members of the FG scream as if they're dying horribly as the parasite is removed by Spike from Angel's chest.
И Фред начинает кричать первой.
If Wes, Lorne, Fred, and Gunn die (punishment for working for W&H??), the season could end with Angel still alive, but distraught over the tragic results of the deal he made. (Or he could die a hero, like Buffy in The Gift -- which is kinda what we all expect, no?) If the show is renewed for another season, Angel might be forced to somehow reverse the W&H contract -- trading Connor's safe new existence for the restoration of his friends at the point just before they joined W&H. Spike, presumably, would not be affected, barring complications with the amulet spell. Neither would Harmony. Connor would die. So would Cordy, but since she's dead anyway that's not really a factor.
What could ever induce the SPs to make such a deal? The usual price of a bargain with the Devil is one's soul. So Angel dies, leaving Angelus back in control of his body at the end of season 5.
Джули Бенц, вау!! А насчет толпы смертей - ну зачем же так, я пытаюсь эту мысль уже неделю задавить в зародыше, и так не получается
Просто уж слишком много совпадений:
ANGEL Me. (an angry Spike turns to face Angel) But you're dead.
HARMONY (gesturing widely, rolling her eyes knowingly) Well, yeah. Who here isn't? (looks around) Besides him (to Wes) and him (to Gunn) and her (to Fred) and... (to Lorne) What are you again?
И что там WtP говорил насчет того что Анжелу больше нечего терять?..
Вообще-то, если 5 станет последним, я почти уверена, что Джосс угрохает почти всех. А если будет шестой - Ангел потеряет душу. Собственно говоря, это должно было быть финалом 3 сезона "Баффи", если бы "Ангела" не ответвили. Но поскольку его ответвили, место Ангела занял Спайк.
I've gotten some new information on Angel Episodes 16 and 17. In addition to that, there is a report at the Angel's Soul Spoiler Board about a possible return of a familiar face. Are they connected? Read on to find out what I think. Let me start with the information provided by one of my sources (who, I should add, has yet to be wrong). I should however note that I'm interpreting minor details, like order of events and locations, so this may not exactly match the finished product.
Quote: Mainly, the information provided deals with the aftermath of Fred's death.
Illyria rises, and although Fred seems to have died, some part of her lives on. Wesley and Illyria go to Wolfram and Hart, where Knox is eagerly awaiting the return of the 'goddess'. His joy is short-lived, as Wesley shoots and kills him (revenge for killing Fred). He also injures, but does not kill, Gunn. This is what I expect to be the big battle at the offices, and Illyria does throw Angel out of one of the office windows. Essentially, nobody is a match for her.
However, she is not as strong as she could be, and needs to return to her base of power in another dimension. She opens up a wormhole, and goes through with Wesley right behind her. At her temple, she discovers all of her followers have been destroyed. She and Wesley return to Los Angeles.
Meanwhile, back at Wolfram and Hart, Angel and Spike are the only two left to address the issue (Lorne's there, but he's not really a fighter). They need an edge against the Senior Partners, someone with inside information. Which means that they have to find Lindsey. They manage to track him down, the Senior Partners have imprisoned him in an alternate dimension/reality. He is being guarded by spirits, who are taking on the role of the perfect wife and son.
Unfortunately, they can't just take Lindsey out of there without alerting the Senior Partners. A guilt-ridden Gunn volunteers to remain behind, and impersonate Lindsey, if it will help Fred. This explains the necklace that he was wearing in the repeat of the Lindsey scene from earlier in the episode.
I'm beginning to see the pieces being tied together. It makes sense that Illyria will retain Fred's memories. The 'Old Ones' were responsible for creating vampires, who effectively use the human as a host vessel, and have all the memories of their previous lives as well. This also could explain why Wesley is still assisting her, but there may be other factors causing this as well. There are strong echoes between this story arc and Glory's story arc (host body, from another dimension, nearly invunerable, etc.).
I'm also getting the feeling that this may all be part of one episode, 'Shells'. While it's a lot to put into one episode, there is room to do it. Plus, the info for 'Hole In The World' was originally attributed to Episode 16. However, it may not fit the shooting schedule. But since these two roles are for limited scenes (only the alternate reality), these could be filmed last in the schedule.
***** Which brings me to the report at the Cross and Stake - Angel's Soul Spoiler Board,(http://www.voy.com/14810/133071340.html)that Julie Benz has been signed for Episode 17 on. According to the info, she will be the 'wife' of Lindsey in that episode, and will thereafter return as Darla.
So is it a 'foiler'?...
Normally, I would say that it's probably false without much thought, as I've heard nothing to independently verify this information. I think that overall the storyline with Darla is done. If they did go with this, I would think it would be more along the lines of how she appeared last season in the Connor storyline. Which strangely enough, could almost fit the above information. Since Lindsey is in a fantasy-reality, and his guards are 'spirits' or something along those lines, why not have it be Darla.
But while there may seem to be a possibility is there, I have to take into account that this is a completely new source, and there is no confirmation on this. Plus, in terms of story, having Darla in this scene would have no impact on the actual events happening in the Real World. To me, it's too much effort for such a small scene. I see nothing at all in the upcoming storyline that would require an actual return of Darla, so I'm doubtful that if she did come back, it would be for more than this one episode.
So while my gut says that it's 'foilage' (albeit very clever 'foilage'), with all the events that have happened this season I can't rule it out as 100% false. But I think the safe call is that it's false, and if I had to rank it, I would go with an 'Unlikely'.
У меня мозги шевелятся еще с самой 10-й, которую я все хочу по полочкам разложить, но руки не доходят.. Хм.. Васкес, спасибо, очень интересные размышления )
И я очень хочу увидеть Джули Бенц!!! И это очень даже может быть параллельная реальность - Линдси любил Дарлу, а в параллельной - она его жена. Почему бы и нет? Но причем здесь Ганн - вот в чем вопрос )
Я бы хотела видеть Дарлу. А также Корди. И не демонизированную Фред. В шоу остались одни мужчины, а это чревато перерождением в "производственный роман". Мне такие романы никогда не нравились.
И на немного другую тему, хотя и близкую этой: Мэтт Руш из TV Guide размышляет, не снизит ли рейтинги окончательный уход Корди http://www.tvguide.com/tv/roush/askmatt/
Question: I wanted to respond briefly to your Feb. 4 Dispatch about the latest Angel episodes to say that I agree wholeheartedly. The episode guest-starring Tom Lenk was both fun and thought-provoking. (Andrew's comments to Angel about the old Scooby Gang's lack of trust were great.) However, the episode featuring Cordelia was a near-perfect celebration of everything I have loved about the show over the years. The mentions of Connor, Lilah, and especially the tribute to Doyle were very well done. The invigorated Wesley's interaction with Cordelia (the "kickin' it old school" comment was priceless and Alexis Denisof's performance was flawless), the questioning of Gunn's possible bias toward the Senior Partners, and both Cordelia and Harmony's interaction with Eve were all high points for me. Cordelia's send-off at the end was perfect and heartbreaking, leaving me with tears in my eyes. Kudos to the cast and crew for two wonderful episodes, and I hope they can continue the trend. Cordelia, you will be missed. — Jordyn S.
Matt: Couldn't agree more, as I stated in my Dispatch referred to above. The response I got to the episode was pretty evenly split: some thinking it was one of the best episodes in ages (no question about that), and others predictably — and to some extent understandably — annoyed that this great character was not coming back for real or for good, vowing never to watch again. (Yeah, right.) Charisma Carpenter is missed, no doubt about it, and Angel's first priority — beyond getting renewed for a sixth season, which is by no means assured at this point — should be to develop yet another strong female character. Fred has grown on me over time, but not like Cordy.
Question: What on earth are the writers on Angel thinking? It was more than wrong to bring Cordelia back solely for the purpose of killing her. This episode was undoubtedly the best one since the interminably boring Wolfram & Hart stuff began. Everyone I know was hoping that this would change the direction the show was taking. Instead they caused every viewer I know to decide to boycott the show. It would have been better to let Cordelia languish indefinitely in a coma or wander off to join Buffy in "Europe." No matter the general opinion on Cordelia, she was always a character who kept the show fresh and continually changing. Will they realize that the show is royally sucking lately, and bring her back to save us from the blandness that has slowly been destroying the show it? — A. Nyst
Matt: I wouldn't count on her coming back, unless there's a way to do it symbolically, metaphorically, spiritually, that sort of thing. And though I can empathize with those who are mourning the character, I can't imagine a better or more respectful send-off.
Скорее всего, конечно. Однако, это еще не причина тому, что ее мотив более не всплывет. (Как и мотивация).
Возвращение же Джули Бенц я вполне представляю: тому существуют обоснования как в реальной жизни (увы, несправедливо, но факт: с новыми ролями у нее сейчас не очень), так и в сюжете, сколько я его понимаю из спойлеров – любящая жена с внешностью Дарлы, чего еще надо Линдси, чтобы встретить ста... упс, не тот фильм *увертываясь*, я имела в виду, чего еще надо СП, если они хотят его удержать в этом астрале? Вдобавок, она была бы не первой, чье имя подменяют в сценарии, «вытекшем» на публику раньше времени.
И я не имею ничего против ее возвращения – потому что совершенно не представляю себе, что из этого сделают Джосс и компания (помимо, разумеется, вышеупомянутых флэшбэков). Мне всегда, как шварцевскому Королю, нравились те, от которых не знаешь, чего ждать (*большой* фактор в моей приязни к Спайку, «и именно сегодня, и именно сейчас»).
Что же до производственного романа... чтобы не повторяться, могу только сказать, что для меня происходящее на экране слишком эмоционально, чтобы таковым быть (и далеко не в первую очередь благодаря женщинам, как ни странно). Даже и без шиппинга. И более того *кощунствуя*, я лучше предпочту полное отсутствие шиппинга, чем таковой по обязанности, потому что «так надо». *Постукивая по дереву* И до сих пор мне в этом везло: обошлось и без Спред, и без Спармони (что бы кто ни говорил). А то, что нам (судя по тем же спойлерам) светит, меня сверх-особенно не радует, но по крайней мере не притянуто за уши. Кажется *сплевывая через плечо*. Так что меня перспектива остаться с одной Иллирией и половинкой Евы в принципе не пугает. Но и Дарла не отвращает: увидим сначала, как оно повернется.
А вот насчет снижения рейтингов по известной нам причине – это уже, боюсь, глубоко wishful thinking обожателей Корди. Сама серия с ее участием имела рейтинги пониже предыдущей (это подтверждают на Юзенете даже те, кого это совсем не радует) – хотя все еще заметно выше девятой. (Можно было бы предположить, что разбежались заранее те, кто выяснил, чем все это кончится и не хотел этого видеть. Но – как ни странно – про это знало настолько мало народу, что вряд ли они все, вместе взятые, могли тут повлиять). Я готова поверить, что *сразу* после «Пожалуйста» будет некоторый отлив: еще до того, как начался сезон, некоторые объявили, что смотрят только до серии с Корди и ни шагу дальше (хотя еще посмотрим, скольких соблазнят подлодки и Спайк-брюнет ). Но что номера стабильно обрушатся... этих цыплят я все же предпочитаю считать по осени и не переживать неприятности до их поступления
А меня вдруг озадачили эти параллели с Глори, ведь действительно что-то есть! *это я наконец-то смогла нормально прочитать вчерашний пост Васкес, а не галопом по Европе*. А рейтинги... Эх... Посмотрим, что нам принесет подводная лодка )
Из новенького: 1. Капсы явления Бореаназа народу на шоу Джоан Осборн и видео оттуда же
2. Капсы шоу Райана Сикреста (кстати, я скачала видео, потрясающая штука, смотрятся они там великолепно )
3. Вчера вычитала на каком-то из западных форумов, кажется, на ВВВ, что Амбер Бенсон и Адам Баш (Уоррен) встречаются, а Адам, кстати, снимается в новом ситкоме ФОКСов в главной роли
Геро, спасибо за ссылочки. Насчет Глори - я тут вчера на ASSB наткнулась на очень интересные параллели, не могу не привести.
Rosalind I think the structure is a pretty classical sibling fairy tale one as well. Three siblings go out, one after another, on a quest and each gets as far as his or her level of maturity allows. Often the siblings represented the same person at different stages of development. At first I thought the three siblings might be our three vampires; Harmony, Spike and Angel. But it actually fits better with our three "gods". Glory, Jasmine and now Illyria. Glory as the most immature, selfish and vain who is fairly easily defeated by a small determined band. Jasmine as more mature but still defeatable and Illyria as the most mature and perhaps the one who will achieve the goal. Each seems to involve the death of a significant female lead. Glory/Buffy, Jasmine/Cordelia and now Illyria/Fred.
И вот что я ей ответила (переводить лень, извините) It's curious how the relationships between humans and Gods evolve in Jossverse. Glory killed Buffy because the Slayer stood between her and her goal. Jasmine used Cordy and made her a means to achieve her goal. As to Fred\Illyria combination - nothing is clear yet, but Old One may find her existence in a mostly atheistic society quite depressing and turn to science for help. I see a very nice resolution on a metaphorical level (religion\Illyria and science\Fred perfectly complement each other). I wonder if writers could come up with good story on a non-metaphoric level
Немного новостей: в колонке Кристин забрезжили первые размышления на тему "продлят-не продлят"
Watch With Kristin - Chat Transcript Monday, February 9, 2004
madbrad11 asks: Is Conner going to be on Angel this season?
Kristin replies: I can tell you that Joss said, "We do want to bring Conner back. We have every intention of seeing him again and seeing that Conner did grow up happy." As for Lilah, he said that they don't have any immediate plans but "if everything comes together - if the storyline is right" she'll be back. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dilvish asks: I think I saw you in the distance in Tru Calling...you were fab! and it was a terrific episode. What's coming up for our Miss Tru?
Kristin replies: Looks like Harrison is stepping into more of a sidekick role -- he's going to ask Tru to let him help her help the dead. Help me, help you. In upcoming episodes you'll see him swinging into action. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- annegirl1910 asks: Love you on "Tru Calling" Thursday night! you were to die for!
Kristin replies: My finest work yet, no? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- drewski asks: I am confused. Hercules says Fred is going to die. You say she's not. Who's right?
Kristin replies: Don't you hate it when mommy and daddy fight?! But we're both right, actually. Fred's body is going to be possessed by a parasitic demon called Illyria. So, while Fred might be going up to the big writers board in the sky, Amy Acker (the vessel) is not going anywhere--she's just getting a big bad challenge. (Personally, I love this development because Amy told me in July she wanted her character to go evil, ala Willow, and voila! Here we are. She even mentioned at the time she felt she needed to be careful because Joss just might do it.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hotcha3 asks: If David Boreanaz decides not to do a season 7, do you think they will keep on with James Marsters filling in?
Kristin replies: Mmmmm...I think it's pretty difficult to do a show called Angel with a lead named Spike. BUT, I just heard back from a rep at the WB (I called this morning after receiving a few panicked questions about the fate of Angel--someone's brother's sister's friend's dog's uncle thought they'd read somewhere it'd been cancelled) and she tells me that the show has NOT been cancelled--no decision yet on next season, but they are hopeful it will come back. Personally, I don't see a need to panic. (забавно - а ведь Кристин ответила совершенно не на тот вопрос, который был ей задан. Но при этом сочла нужным "выбрать" этот вопрос среди прочих - она же не на все вопросы отвечает) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- brizz asks: Kristin--Please answer this: Did Joss realize that "Angel" needs Cordy...the fans now realize the absence, please tell me they are going to have her spirit or WHATEVER come back once in a while???? plllleeeeeasseeee?
Kristin replies: I think Joss is fully aware of how much the fans love her--you can see from this week's column that she's aware of that, too. But you have to realize she's been playing this part for a long, long time and she's also a new mother. So sadly, there are just other factors that go into that kind of decision. If she doesn't WANT to return at this point, there's really not much anyone can do. So perhaps we have to just accept the Cordy void, as much as it blows. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
На ASSB народ развлекается - вот что я нашла: Date Posted: 01:39:30 02/10/04 Tue Author: Angel_Fan632 Author Host/IP: 202-172-119-76.cpe.nsw-3.comcen.com.au / 202.172.119.76 Subject: Angel Casting (SPOILERS)
I received an E-mail from a friend of mine who says that this new character coming up in epsiode 5x17 of Angel Hamilton will be played by none other than Nathan Fillion as you all know NF has been grinding on Joss to Co-Star on Angel for a while and is said to be friends with Joss Whedon & David Boreanaz.
He is a friend of mine on the set of Angel who does wiring and cables and stuff like that for the show that s what he told me.
У товарища австралийский адрес, но он пишет
My friend is Australian to he has been over there for 2 years now and has been approved for a Greencard.
Филлион сейчас вроде бы снимается в пилоте FOX Hollywood Division. И я сомневаюсь, что его заставили бы сниматься в пробах ( поскольку сайзды выпускают исключительно с этой целью). Но все равно забавно...
Я почти уверена, что это вранье, но не удержалась
Подземный гараж ВиХ, ночь Ева отступает, Хэмилтон на нее надвигается. Ева: Пожалуйста, не делай этого! Ангел наступает, вынимает меч. Спайк двигается по кругу с другой стороны. Линдси на земле, у него вид загнанного зверя. Ангел: Ева под моей защитой. Не смей ее трогать. Хэмилтон сует руку в карман куртки. Кажется, что он достанет пистолет, но на самом деле он достает дорогую ручку. Спайк: Вот уж не ожидал! Калеб, ты переквалифицировался в бумагомараку? Хэмилтон (нервно): Я не знаю никакого Калеба! Ангел: Как же не знаешь? Неужно не помнишь, как Баффи тебе яйца покрошила? Хэмилтон (еще более нервно): Я не знаю никакой Баффи! Ангел: Как же не знаешь? А кто мне морду бил в храме перед тем как Баффи его пополам разрубила? Хэмилтон (в панике): Не знаю никакого храма! Ангел: Я тебя там видел! Спайк: Я тоже тебя там видел! Ангел (удивленно): Спайк? Ты там тоже был? А ты-то что там делал? Спайк (ехидно): Знаешь, я все никак не успевал задать тебе тот же самый вопрос. Ангел (сердито): Ты следил за Баффи? Спайк (смущенно): Я прикрывал ее тылы... от таких засранцев, как ты и Калеб! (показывает на Хэмилтона) Ангел: Не смей сравнивать меня с этим засранцем Калебом (тоже показывает на Хэмилтона). Хэмилтон (не пределе терпения): Я. Не. Калеб! Я пришел за подписью на ответственном документе! Я теперь ваш новый представитель от Старших Партнеров! Спайк: Ну вот видишь, Пэрсик - как же не сравнивать? Ведь это теперь твой коллега. Интересно, у него яйца самовосстанавливающиеся? Ангел: Я слышу в твоих интонациях нездоровый интерес. Спайк: Не суди по себе, Пэрсик. Я лишь хоу знать - если придется их снова отрубать, потребуется ли специальная секира? Ведь она осталась у Баффи! Или обычный меч вполне сгодится? Ангел: Спайк, если тебе нужен предлог, чтобы уехать к Баффи - вперед, я тебя не держу! Спайк: Подожди, у меня тоже есть счеты у этому типу. Однажды Калеб прошиб моей головой винную бочку, и я хочу поквитаться. Пэрсик, в твоих подвалах нет винной бочки? Брось, Пэрсик, я же знаю своего грандсира, у тебя наверняка есть запасы... Хэмилтон (бьется в истерике): Я не Калеб! Я вообще здесь проездом! Я отказываюсь иметь дело с этой компанией идиотов! Линдси, ты не хочешь поработать на Старших Партнеров? Линдси: Я не уверен, что мы с господами вампирами сработаемся... Хэмилтон: В любом случае это лучше, чем пошлый домик в пригороде! Ты же борец с нечистью! Ева: Соглашайся, Линдси, иначе я стану смертной и начну стариться. Я не хочу умереть старухой! Спайк: Не волнуйся, pet, на такой работе, как здесь, ты наверняка умрешь молодой! Ангел: Никто не умрет! Вы все под моей защитой - все кроме Калеба. Спайк: Я с удовольствием еще раз посмотрю, как его разрубают пополам. Нервы у Хэмилтона не выдерживают, он начинает кричать. За его спиной открывается портал, его засасывает внутрь. Ева встает с пола, отряхивается и смущенно улыбается. Ева: Вы уж извините - у Старших Партнеров все время жуткая путаница с именами и лицами...
THE BIG SAD Those thinking that Lindsey was out of the running as “Angel’s” fifth-season big bad were almost certainly right. After Fred is killed, Team Angel decides it needs to recruit someone who might know more than they do about the senior partners. So guess who they rescue from a Wolfram-engineered purgatory?
SAILING THE RIVER TAM Buzz inside certain Los Angeles law firms suggests that talent contracts are being hammered out, and they’re timed around a May start for an upcoming Universal feature about a starship captain, a space hooker, a mysterious preacher and a pair of fugitives named Tam. The bad news: under the scenario discussed, “Firefly: The Movie” wouldn’t hit multiplexes until late 2005.
Это же целая виньетка! Просто прелесть. Уверена, что она вскорости будет растащена на цитаты.
цитата:
Вчера вычитала на каком-то из западных форумов, кажется, на ВВВ, что Амбер Бенсон и Адам Баш (Уоррен) встречаются...
Ага... Сначала завалил бедную девушку, а теперь туда же... Вину, что ли загладить хочет?.. Упс! Снова меня по ночам не в ту степь заносит... *прикрывается сковородкой* Sorry, ledies.
Похоже, мой выстрел был мимо цели - только что прочитала:
CASTING SPOILER!!!!!
A reliable source went to the Simi valley location shoot today and reported that the person playing Hamilton is none other than Adam Baldwin, aka, Jayne on Firefly
Download six clips showing off what lurks on the new DVD Dateline: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 By PATRICK SAURIOL News Editor
Beckoning to your wallet or purse today is the third season of ANGEL, now available on DVD. All 22 episodes from the show's 2000-2001 season are spread out over six discs, including commentaries by series creator Joss Whedon, writers Tim Minear and Mere Smith, screen tests for Amy Acker and Vincent Kartheiser, outtakes, three new featurettes and more ways to spend your free time staring at the television.
To celebrate the release of ANGEL - SEASON THREE, Fox Home Video and M80 have sent us six clips. Three of the clips highlight key moments from the season while the remaining three preview the bonus material to be found on the DVDs. They are:
Date Posted: 07:46:30 02/11/04 Wed Author: Simon Author Host/IP: ijgj113.infj.ulst.ac.uk / 193.61.148.113 Subject: Possible director for episode 20 *director spoiler*
Эли и Люк на том самом шоу - капсы и полный вариант видео:http://www.server121.xl-server.org/downloads/Clip%20Freaturing%20Alyson%20Hannigan%20R&J%20%204%20Feb%202004.avi
Я пока никому не верю. Когда увижу список ролей и исполнителей у Пандоры - тогда поверю. Насчет Каризмы - да, уже прочитала умильнейшую историю, что муж одобряет, а ребенок, мол вырастет - тоже одобрит.
"...we knew that the movie became held up back at the end of December. The original script was shelved and Joss wrote something else entirely. Something less of an epilogue and more of a potential springboard to a series return. Due to that and some other time constraints and projects, there was signifigant delay. Distribution stuff bogged down the works. Look for a few more official type snippets at the usual sources... "
"You will be hearing some stuff on the OB towards the end of this month... All the plans etc are still in place, they were just delayed while details were ironed out.
"There is still more legal stuff to get through, but I trust that Joss will deliver us the Big Damn Movie and makes us proud. : )
Вообще-то это не такое уж редкое дело - особенно если Ведон собирается продаться какой-нибудь другой телекомпании. Такие финты ушами делал Стражинский с "Вавилоном" (правда, он "переехал" после четырех сезонов на пятый), продюсеры "Звездных врат", еще кто-то... Если "Энтерпрайз в настоящий момент доживает последний сезон (а если судить по рейтингам, похоже на то), в эфире останется только одно шоу "про космический корабль и его экипаж" - "Андромеда". Свято место пусто не бывает, и опять же - для развития нужна конкуренция
Сегодня делала материал по мартовской премьере "Адского парня" Гильермо Дель Торо. Вот что я вычитала в рецензии на сценарий:
It is the end of the Second World War, and Adolf Hitler has, as is historically documented and already toyed with in Raiders of the Lost Ark, amongst other stories, taken to the supernatural in order to end the war victoriously. To this end, he has charged the dark magician Grigori to bring forth the OGDRU JAHAD, six sleeping elder gods awaiting their return to our dimension.
Маленькая поправочка: Тим Минир не будет ставить 20 серию
Со Спарклей:
Tim Minear on Buffistas said
Quote: "Okay, slight update: I won't have finished my duties on our first season of Wonderfalls in time for Angel 20, so that's out for the moment. Jeff Bell was disappointed but gracious and I'm sorry for mentioning it before it was a solid."
Девушка Тара сделала очень подробную и наглядную раскладку по рейтингам (ищите ее графики в нижней части страницы)
Я так и не поняла, чем одни рейтинги отличаются от других, но что-то как-то в последнее время грустно... Предварительный рейтинг 513 - 2,5, а окончательный легко может оказаться 2,4 или даже 2,3 (судя по составляениям сдругими сериями в графиках Тары)
не уверена, но вроде предварительный рейтинг - это по крупным городам, а потом приходят данные и из райцентров. Возможно, что я и ошибаюсь, или с чем-то перепутала (например, с выборами )
Этот сезон все-таки последний. Новости с [url=http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|86346|1|,00.html]Zap2it.[/url]
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Earlier today, an announcement was made to the cast and crew at The WB's "Angel" that this season, the show's fifth, would be its last. "It's official enough to know it's real," David Greenwalt, who co-created the series with Joss Whedon, tells Zap2it. "but I haven't talked to anybody at the network or the studio. I can tell you that it's real, that it makes Mr. Whedon and myself very sad, that we wish it had kept going and we thought it was only getting better.
"Joss and [executive producer] Jeff Bell told the cast and crew today. We have no understanding of the inner workings of the corporate world, but we've had a long and fruitful relationship with [producing studio] 20th Century Fox and The WB, for which we grateful. We just wish it could have gone on forever. Apparently, it's not going to.
"Joss literally called me this morning, so it's very new." This news comes on the heels of airing the 100th episode of the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off, the taping of which was marked by a party on the show's sets last November.
At that time, the WB's entertainment chief, Jordan Levin, said, "The work that you all do, I cannot thank you enough. This is something that will last. You can see it in the DVD sales. You see it in the fans. They give an incredible amount of attention to almost everything.
"You've created a cult here, and it's pretty wonderful to be a part of it. So thank you and congratulations."
Next week, on Wednesday, Feb. 18, "Angel" airs one of its most innovative episodes, called "Smile Time." Written and directed by Ben Edlund ("The Tick"), and based on an idea by Whedon, it sees the show's title character, a crusading vampire with a soul, forced to fight evil after being transformed into a walking puppet (with voice by series star David Boreanaz).
"It's so brilliant," Greenwalt says. "I just love it. It's one of the finest pieces of filmmaking I've ever seen. It just cracked me up. It's so ridiculous and silly, and yet there's all this heartfelt stuff in it. It's just quintessential Whedon.
"But wait until you see the episode that follows it in terms of abject heartbreak. It's just searing."
Greenwalt stepped away from "Angel" a few years ago but has remained a consulting producer. Since then, he's worked on two short-lived but critically acclaimed series, ABC's "Miracles" and UPN's "Jake 2.0." But he's contemplating a possible return to his old stomping ground.
"I might just go direct episode 20 [of 'Angel']," he says, "so I can say my farewell to everybody. That's something that might happen."
As of press time, The WB had made no official announcement.
For the last seven years Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer have been cornerstones of our network. The sum total of the work done on those shows has produced some of the proudest moments in our history. Like some of the great series that are leaving the air this year, including Frasier and Friends, the cast, crew, writers and producers of Angel deserve to be able to wrap up the series in a way befitting a classic television series and that is why we went to Joss to let him know that this would be the last year of the series on The WB. We have discussed continuing the Angel legacy with special movie events next year, which is still on the table. In a perfect world, all of these details would be completed before this information went to the press so that we could be definitive about the show’s ongoing future. But in any case, we did not want to contemplate this being the last year of Angel without giving the show the option of crafting their own destiny for this character and for this series. David Boreanaz continues to be one of the finest, classiest and friendliest actors we have had the pleasure to work with and we hope that the relationship furthers from here. The same can be said for all the actors and producers on the show.
Два любопытных момента. Во-первых, объявили о-о-очень заранее. В прошлом году официальное объявление сделали 12 мая. Второе - объявили вечером в пятницу, "под выходные". Типа "к понедельнику набежит много других новостей - авось забудут".
Теоретически-то понятно. Даже если рейтинги в этом сезоне выше, стоимость сериала в следующем сезоне будет больше. Потому что сроки контрактов истекают после пяти лет, актерские агенты начинают торговаться и т.д. И это ясно уже сейчас.
А практически... хочу услышать официальный комментарий Ведона. Интересно, что он скажет. Потому что все эти недавние фанфары ("Ангел - самый сексуальный герой на ТВ!" - на обложке TV Guide, который принадлежит той же корпорации, что и The WB) - в свете последних новостей выглядят несколько странно.
Первый отзыв Ведона - пока неофициальный, на Bronze Beta joss says: (Sat Feb 14 22:31:16 2004)
Some of you may have heard the hilarious news. I thought this would be a good time to weigh in. to answer some obvious questions: No, we had no idea this was coming. Yes, we will finish out the season. No, I don't think the WB is doing the right thing. Yes, I'm grateful they did it early enough for my people to find other jobs.
Yes, my heart is breaking.
When Buffy ended, I was tapped out and ready to send it off. When Firefly got the axe, I went into a state of denial so huge it may very well cause a movie. But Angel... we really were starting to feel like we were on top, hitting our stride -- and then we strode right into the Pit of Snakes 'n' Lava. I'm so into these characters, these actors, the situations we're building... you wanna know how I feel? Watch the first act of "The Body."
As far as TV movies or whatever, I'm not thinking that far ahead. I actually hope my actors and writers are all too busy. We always planned this season finale to be a great capper to the season and the show in general. (And a great platform for a new season, of course.) We'll proceed ahead as planned.
I've never made mainstream TV very well. I like surprises, and TV isn't about surprises, unless the surprise is who gets voted off of something. I've been lucky to sneak this strange, strange show over the airwaves for as long as I have. I don't FEEL lucky, but I understand that I am.
Thanks all for your support, your community, and your perfectly sane devotion. It's meant a lot. I regret nothing (except the string of grisley murders in the 80's -- what was THAT all about?) Remember the words of the poet:
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn."
See you soon. See you soon.
И довольно взвешенные комментарии со Spoiler Slayer
Tensai at Spoiler Slayer posted his thoughts and speculation on the news.Thought I would bring it over.
www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002777.php
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATS: Musings On The End
As expected, I am getting a inundated with emails about the announcement that Season Five will apparently be the final season of 'Angel'. It would probably be best to try to answer most of these here, rather than respond to each and every email. Did you hear the news/see this article, etc? Is it true? Unfortunately, yes it's all true. The WB has released an Official Press Release explaining their reasons for announcing their decision at this time. It also is an early announcement, as they do mention that they are still negotiating for 'Angel' specials. As articles/news is released, I will try to get the various articles posted in the News section, so please send links if you feel that I'm missing any.
Why did this happen, it doesn't make sense? Actually, looking back at the stories from earlier this season, it does make some sense. Since before 'Buffy' even ended, I had been hearing rumors that the budget was a big sticking point in negotiations. Add to this the reports that the show was doing a lot of 'in-house' shooting early in the season due to a tight budget, and the very intriguing comments after the season started about finally getting the go ahead for a full season. It's my hunch, that the WB was originally aiming for the show to reach Episode 100, then based on the decent ratings okayed a full season.
However, with several new (and pricey) series on The WB's horizon for next season, it's my guess that the cost of paying for another season, just doesn't make sense for the ratings they were getting. It's doing well in it's time slot, but at five years in (and with the addition of James to the cast), it's unlikely that they would improve any further.
What about another network, like UPN or Sci Fi? The same reason the WB decided against Season Six, is likely going to keep another network from picking it up. SciFi is definitely out of the question in my opinion, as they're going to be shelling out the big bucks for both 'Battlestar Galactica' and a new 'Stargate' series. 'Battlestar' gave the network it's highest ratings ever, but they still took a few months to decide if it would be worth making it into a regular series. UPN is dealing with the fiasco that is 'Enterprise' and I think it would be iffy at best that they would want to invest in 'Angel', again because at this point the ratings likely aren't going to jump dramatically at this point.
How can we save the show? Can you post links to my petition/postcard campaign? I'm going to be honest, I don't feel that anything the fans can do will save the show. Unless we managed to scrape up 10 million viewers, it's probably not going to happen. The WB knows that they have a core/niche audience of a few million, and yet they still determined that the show cannot continue. A couple hundred thousand signatures or postcards will probably not have any effect.
However, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't let your feelings be known. Send postcards and sign petitions, tell The WB how you feel. Even more importantly, let Fox know how you feel. As for the site, I've always taken the stance that in order to remain neutral, I don't want to single out any particular campaign or petition. So while I will not actively post any links or write-in info, there is a huge amount of information in the Daily Rounds linkage. Please visit these sites for information on how you can participate.
We should boycott The WB or it's Sponsors. I've gotten more than a few emails suggesting this tactic, and I have to be honest and say 'Absolutely not'. I am extremely grateful for the five full seasons of both 'Buffy' and 'Angel' that the WB gave to us, not to mention the other shows that I happen to watch and enjoy on their network. I hold no ill-will towards either the WB or the Sponsors who support the show. Broadcast television is a mess right now, with cookie cutter series being produced everywhere. If you aren't a 30 minute sitcom, a reality show, or a police/medical/law drama, you don't have a fighting chance. I give a lot of credit to networks like The WB which take chances on series like 'Buffy' or 'Angel', as well as shows like 'Smallville' or 'Gilmore Girls'. All I can say is Thank You for the wonderful five years you've given me, it's much appreciated. I also know that there are fans out there who would like to thank The WB as well, so please use the Daily Rounds linkage, as many of the petition/write-in campaign sites also have the addresses to where you can send your thanks.
How will this affect the final few episodes? This is perhaps the best question I've gotten, and I have to be honest, I really can't say for sure. At this time, my guess is that everything that hasn't been filmed, is subject to change. While I know that Joss always intended to wrap this season as if it was the series finale, we may see some additional faces from the past. With both Tim Minear and David Greenwalt expressing interest in Episode 20, it leads me to believe that 21 and 22 may have already been planned/written by Joss himself. I also think that this could bring an appearance by Sarah Michelle Gellar back into play, despite the reports to the contrary. I also would not rule out seeing Alyson or some of the others finding a way to make it into the series finale.
So with 'Angel' ending, is this it for the Spoiler Slayer? This is a tough one, because obviously the site itself isn't solely devoted to 'Angel'. But I'd also be lying if I were to say that after 'Buffy' ended, I've haven't been doing some of my own cost/benefit ratio analysis. The site is not an inexpensive one to run by a longshot, which doesn't even take into account the personal time I devote to the site. Although I've promised that even if all the Joss shows were to go off the air, the site would still stay around and spoiling for other series, this decision by The WB does have me thinking about the future. If 'Tru Calling' were not to make it to season two (and to be honest, 'Angel' has a better chance of being renewed.), 'Wonderfalls' doesn't get picked up (which would make me angrier than 'Angel' ending), and 'Dead Like Me' doesn't get signed for Season Three, it would be a very tough call.
However, 'Dead Like Me' seems to be going strong, and 'Wonderfalls' should have a decent chance. Also, as mentioned before, I will more than likely will be following spoilers for the new 'Doctor Who' series. Obviously, if any Buffyverse spin-off or mini-series were to be announced, I'd be right there in the thick of things. I also want to express my thanks for everyone who has written in during the past day, expressing their appreciation for the Spoiler Slayer site. I don't think there's any reason to think that the Spoiler Slayer will be going away anytime in the near future. Especially if you consider the last question I've gotten...
Do you think there will be a spin-off next season? As sad as it is to see the end of 'Angel' approaching, I can't imagine that Joss and Mutant Enemy will not be doing anything in the near future. It's rare that a production company can create memorable series that manage to achieve not only a devoted fan following when it's on the air, but turn around and generate very strong DVD sales as well. One only need to look at the success of 'Firefly' on DVD, to show that even a project that ended earlier than it should have, can still be profitable to the studio and production company. Not to mention the critical acclaim Joss and the company has received.
Is this the end of the Buffyverse, I highly doubt it. Especially since The WB is already expressing interest in 'Angel' movies or events next year. The strong fan response to the announcement is only going to prove that the Buffyverse is still very viable in terms of being able to pull in a strong, core audience. Maybe it's simply time for something new and different. While we might not see anything for next season in terms of a new series, I think it's almost certain that we won't be Whedon-less for very long.
On a final note, this is all still in the early stages of the announcement. I'm certain that over the next few weeks, we're going to see a lot of interviews and comments about this news. As I've mentioned earlier, I will try to keep up with the numerous stories as they come in. In addition, although the site doesn't have the capability of allowing you to directly comment to other fans of the site about the news, I am opening up a post on my personal page for those who would like to express their feelings about the show ending. Please feel free to comment about the news there.
Мне (сюрприз-сюрприз!) жалко кого угодно, кроме Джосса
Я когда прочитала его вот этот топик на спарклях, вспомнила реплику следователя из детектива "Дура": "Ну вот, и Вы заговорили, как нормальный человек" (адресована аристократу, разговаривающему со всеми свысока и непростым штилем, который всё-таки выдаёт простонародное "Вот скотина!", когда ситуация оборачивается для него нелучшим образом).
Для меня рассуждения о том, что конец "Ангела" - это ещё не конец Джоссверса, утешением не являются. Из всех творений Ведона я не разлюбила только Ангела и Спайка, а мои симпатии формируются слишком долго, чтобы я предполагала, что скоро смогу "инвестировать" свои чувства в кого-то ещё.
С другой стороны, для меня уже давно Ангел и Спайк - это Ангел и Спайк, созданные Дженни, а не Ведоном (я прониклась даже к "её" Джайлсу, хотя весьма равнодушна к оригиналу). Пресс-релиз WB почти совпал с выходом её нового фанфика Does Love Go On?, и я написала ей письмо, в котором высказала опасения, что с концом сериала она утратит свой источник вдохновения. Она ответила, что думает, что её муза почувствует себя свободнее с окончанием сериала, т.к. пока что поведение Ангела лишает её убеждения, что он хорошо относится к Спайку.
Больше всех почему-то боязно за Марстерса (слово "жалко" как-то не подходит здесь). Наверное, переношу на него своё отношение к Спайку.
Елена, а для меня Баффи и Спайк - это Баффи и Спайк, созданные cousinjean. Похожи, на ведоновских, но не совсем идентичны... Рано или поздно большинство фанов в страну Фанфикию, и каждый находит там свою нишу.
Новости: Сборы подписей под петициями продолжаются. Самые забавные
13208. Bill Gates As a world renowned Billionaire I insist that you leave Angel on air or I will buy you out and shut you down.......think about it!!!!!! USA, Seattle.
13239. God (The Almighty Creator) As the creator of heaven and earth I will smite you without a second thought if you DARE take Angel (one of my own) off air.... The Omniverse
13313. Tony Blair PM I am the Primeminister of England. I love Angel. Take it off air and Great Britain will declare war on the USA. Come on then..do you want some???? Londonengland (well thats what you yanks call us...)
Что пишут фаны на форумах - лучше не пересказывать. Характерный пример (не смогла удержаться - представила себе эту картинку):
Sock Monkey Crawl up my ass and die, WB, and bring a spoon with you so that you can eat my @#%$ while you're up there.
Из более взвешенных соображений любопытные вещи говорит небезызвестный следователь лондонской страховой компании
denmaroca Vampire
Joined: 19 September 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 45 Posted: 14 February 2004 at 11:57am | IP Logged
So who do you think will be in the spin off? (I'm an optimist.)
Woke up this morning and checked my email to find Narelle's announcing AtS' cancellation. Bit of a surprise (I'm English). But not a shock. Following all the shenanigans over the renewal last year, I was convinced then, and still am, that AtS was renewed as part of a deal between Fox and the WB. The question is was the deal simply to get AtS to the magic 100 (syndication et al) with the WB being offered s5 so cheaply that they couldn't lose, or do the WB want something from Fox and a new season of AtS was part of the price?
My first thought was that Fox will produce a spin off (AtS s5 being used to keep the Buffyverse fandom involved while the spin off is properly researched and developed) and that spin off will be on the WB. Spin offs have advantages. They usually have higher audiences initially, and they're often cheaper to produce (as they can bring in new, hungrier actors). And they're more likely to succeed than a completely new show. AtS s5 has shown that you can rejig a show, change its tone and send it in a new direction, with positive results on ratings and critical praise. So presumably you can do the same for a franchise.
Fox has merchandise to consider. It's where the big money is. And for that you need a shop window. Syndication helps, but it doesn't get the press attention. The press need news, every day. Those on the boards, or more importantly groups of friends, need something to discuss. Nothing is better for that than a new series. And obviously the WB need something (at the right price) to fill those hours.
And an advantage of a spin off within a franchise is that it doesn't have to reach 100 episodes to be profitable. It will be syndicated no matter how long it lasts. It will be sold abroad. The DVDs will be sold. There will be merchandise. Hell, Firely will eventually be profitable - if it's not already - and that's not even in the Buffyverse (although it is in the Joss-as-creative-genius-verse). In this context, a new series doesn't have to be developed for US television. We may very well see the Ripper spin off, and the deal may simply be that the WB gets to show it in the States. Perhaps an Australian channel might want to make a series within the boundaries of the Buffyverse?
If there is to be a spin off you would probably like one major character to follow on, to provide continuity. A character with a big fan base. One with lots of room to develop, who can convincingly play a range of emotions, who have sufficient grey to be dramatic etc. There are only four regular characters in the Buffyverse who, in my opinion, can fill this role. Those are Angel, Buffy, Giles and Spike (note the alphabetical order). The first two are out - that would simply be new seasons of AtS and BtVS. The Ripper scenario would be a BBC series. That leaves Spike.
Spike was originally mooted for the Faith spin off, which was a kind of on the road thing. A scenario with Spike could have him travelling the world training and helping the new slayers (The Slayer of Slayers trains The Next Generation!) An advantage of a vampire is that they're either in buildings or its dark - so you can convincingly film anywhere in the world in Los Angeles (or Vancouver). Throw in a few misfit new, or popular old (Harmony, Andrew, add your own), supporting characters and you've got your series.
My second thought had arisen this year from the rise and rise of the DVD. Increasingly important in profits. People like new things on their DVDs. Firefly had four new episodes (at least for people in the US). Normally you have to show the material in the movies or on TV before the you sell the DVD in order to develop the interest. But what if you have the interest already? Why not sell it on DVD first? Would you buy the DVD that showed Spike telling Buffy he was alive? Or one showing what was said between Angel and Buffy when they met after she came back from the dead? Or the new never-seen-on-TV Ripper series? Or Tales of Anyanka? Or Wesley's Quest to Save Lilah?
They could always show what's on the DVD on TV later (are these the WB TV movies?). This would basically be a more private version of what happens with movies. But an advantage of DVD is that it's a TV medium - it lends itself to private moments, whereas movies are for spectacle. And private moments are cheaper to film (my first two examples are basically two people in a room). There must be lots of great ideas for one off stories in the Buffyverse that didn't fit the series format. Or stuff developing what was already shown - more of Willow and Tara's romance for instance.
Something similar was tried in the UK by the makers of Coronation Street (one of the UK's top soaps). They sold videos showing one-off stories that hadn't aired (two characters' honeymoon trials and tribulations were one, I seem to recall). Only moderately successful, but I think that was because the format was limited (low quality compared with broadcast TV, not much material on a tape etc); the events shown were intrinsically uninteresting (if it was a great story it would have been on the soap), and because that's not why people watch soaps, which is basically to see what happens next. I think DVDs of untold stories of a drama series might work.
Either way, I doubt we've seen the last of the Buffyverse. I would bet that there's something, somewhere, in some format next year. Not complete consolation for losing AtS, but a glimmer in the gloom perhaps.
My wild speculations for the end of the series (I'm feeling sappy):
I don't think there'll be a bloodbath whether Joss wants it or not. Fox will not permit it. I'm convinced it was Fox who prevented any deaths in Chosen other than Anya (where Emma said she wouldn't reprise the role) and Spike (where we knew he was coming back anyway). Bad for potential future developments.
Darla will shanshu, but Angel (and Spike) will find out that the prophecy does not necessarily describe a single event. This shanshu will tie into the Illyria storyline, which will be the apocalypse the shanshu vampire can either prevent or bring about.
Angel will kill Sahjhan - he will do so in ep 18, and it's his ability to do so that will send him searching after Darla.
Spike and Angel will be there for one another at the finish. Near the end Spike will ask Angel what do we do now, and Angel will say that he wants Spike to go. Spike will be hurt, until Angel says that he wants him to go and find Buffy. To find out if there is hope for a future rather than let fear of their not being lead him to spending the rest of his days regretting what might have been.
Connor will recover his real past, but not lose the alternate one. That will be enough to save him from the despair and insanity. There'll be something sappy between the two sets of parents - a 'we can be proud of our son' kind of thingy.
Lindsay & Eve will take over Wolfram & Hart, which will have been seperated from the Senior Partners - so that they can turn it into your normally evil law firm. Gunn will lose his law knowledge, but will put himself through law school - it'll be pointed out that he may have got the knowledge mystically, but the skill with which he used it was all his. (W&H will pay - the evilly obtained wealth will be used for law scholarships.)
Wes will sacrifice himself to save Fred. He couldn't save Lilah, but he'll do whatever is necessary to prevent it happening again.
One other thought: ME won't survive. Joss will either do something else genre related (but probably more SciFi than fantasy, whether or not its Firefly) OR he will finally produce the Ripper series for the Beeb - he doesn't need ME itself for that. (Очевидно, Beeb - это Би-би-си?)
Мне трудно добавить что-либо к соображениям насчет выпуска "Ангела" сразу на DVD - я просто не представляю себе, как это может выглядеть. Но у меня есть кое-какие мысли насчет очень странных сроков объявления о завершении сериала. Думаю, никто не будет спорить, что сроки очень странные? Еще вчера шли победные отчеты о том, как все замечательно, ДБ красовался на обложке, на юбилейной вечеринке все братались...
У меня такое чувство, что на самой вечеринке все и решилось. Возможно, во мне сидит человек, привыкший с брежневских времен читать между строк, но меня сильно зацепило то, что ДБ очень недвусмысленно дал понять, что не будет сильно переживать, если шоу прикроют. Такое впечатление, что перед этим интервью его кто-то отозвал в сторонку и предупредил, что насчет шестого сезона лучше не обольщаться. Или же спросили: "По дешевке работать будешь? Нет? Тогда - до свидания."
Если это так, то не исключено, что Ведон узнал об этом задним числом, и, естественно, был страшно уязвлен, что начальство предпочло принять решение на основании разговора с актером, а не с создателем шоу. По крайней мере, его выступление на Bronze Beta кажется мне совершенно искренним.
Впрочем, не исключено, что ДБ никто не в какую известность не ставил, и он просто не слишком сильно стремится остаться на шестой сезон. Начальство подсчитало, что заманить его на следующий год можно только большими деньгами, а больших денег платить никто не захотел - и в результате шоу прикрывают.
И все же - почему так быстро и так рано объявили? Я по-прежнему ищу объяснения на вечеринке, потому что объявили сразу же после нее, в ту же секунду, как это стало "прилично". В прошлую пятницу - нельзя, была неделя показа 100 серии, следовательно объявили в эту пятницу. Почему в пятницу - уже говорилось: чтобы меньше шума было.
Версии:
1. Желание дать сценаристам пространство для маневра. То есть: во время вечеринки Ведон поведал начальству, чем собирается закончить сезон. Начальство схватилось за голову и решило немедленно объявить, что этот сезон последний, чтобы их потом никто не обвинил в том, что шоу закончилось на клиффхэнгере или на смерти героев. Это, впрочем, не значит, что Ведон не закончит "Ангела" всеобщей или почти всеобщей смертью. Я не согласна с denmaroca, что Ведон не сможет "устроить кровавую баню" - как раз, наоборот: если уж все заканчивается, он очень даже может снять свою "высокую трагедию", которую ему не дали снять в 5 сезоне "Баффи" по причине продолжения сериала. А что касается спиноффов - Ведон у нас большой специалист по воскрешениям (и на малом, и на большом экране).
2. Желание иметь побольше времени на раскрутку спиноффа. То есть: во время вечеринки ДБ поведал начальству, что не горит желанием сниматься в следующем сезоне, и, см. выше - про бабки. Начальство решило, что дешевле будет запустить спинофф, и для этого нужно заранее определиться что и как. Я прекрасно понимаю, что вторая версия - типичный продукт денайла, но хочется верить во что-то хорошее...
Joined: Dec 10, 2002 Posts: 1191 From: CA Posted: 02-15 12:02:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey all. I apologize for not posting sooner but as you can imagine things are a little in chaos right now.
First off let me state that the WB gave no impressions to ME that the show wasn't doing well or was pending cancellation.
All the indications that ME were given were just the opposite. Joss & company had always known being cancelled was a possibility. However, given the feedback and ratings of the show the staff is a little surprised.
All appearances are this was a decision based on the cost of the show. Angel went through some cost cutting last year. However, it remains one of the most expensive shows on the network.
The WB didn't feel that the cost to return ratio of the show was worth the investment. The ratings have improved but this is the old chicken in the egg. Did the shows ratings improve because the show is better or because it is after Smallville?
Now on to the bigger news. ME will talk to another network about extending the show. This does not guarantee the show will be picked up. However, this does show that ME wants to the show to continue.
For those hoping that UPN would be a lock to pick it up, it is not that simple. About a year ago I would say UPN was primed to pick up the show had it not been renewed. However, as most of you know UPN is having its own problems right now. The ratings for its shows are horrible this season and taking on a show everybody knows is headed out the door is a risky proposition.
Joss has the Firefly project coming up soon and if he doesn't get a serious taker amungst the other networks things don't look good. This is going to come down to timing. The longer it takes, the worse it looks. Unless Joss does a 180 the show will be shopped. Hope is at least there.
На вопросы, кто он такой и откуда знает, товарищ ответил SteelDogDG Super Star
Joined: Dec 10, 2002 Posts: 1191 From: CA Posted: 02-15 12:14:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey guys. Sending a petition to Fox could help. Let Mutent Enemy know you still support the show will help too. However, don't bother with the WB. There is ZERO chance of the WB changing their stance from what I am hearing.
As for those that don't know me, I have a friend that works for the Powers That Be so to speak. I am just passing on what that person is telling me. I have been doing that for long time now and most of the people here can verify that I have been pretty accurate to date.
However, unfortunately nothing is a certain in this business and that doesn't mean the show ultimately will get picked up by another network. All we can do it write and hope.
Другие постеры подтверждают, что мол, до сих пор Стальной Пес не врал. Подождем развития событий...
Кстати, не только на форуме WB так думают, еще вчера на ВВВ проскакивала мысль, например, что Уорнеры просто проверяют реакцию фанов и если их устроит то, что они увидят, то они могут и передумать, но если это действительно так и они не сказали Джоссу (а я тоже думаю, что он был абсолютно искренним на Бронз Бэта вчера), то я бы на его месте плюнула бы на них и ушла, так же ж можно психом стать! С другой стороны я еще вчера говорила *вон, свидетели есть*, что это может быть из-за ДБ и денег... С третьей стороны, у Марстерса контракт на два годы, о чем мы знали еще летом, соответственно если будет спин-офф и на WB, то это только спин-офф со Спайком, но вот будет ли он.. А убить всех... Хм, если будет спин-офф, то все идеи Джосса на шестой сезон, о которых он говорил, трансформируются и переползут туда, а если нет, то я тоже не исключаю такую возможность.. мдя-м, но будет надеяться
Нет, не сюрприз. И даже не новость. По каковой причине я не совсем воспринимаю "драйв" этого высказывания в данных обстоятельствах.
Нет, я все понимаю - свобода слова, наши чувства от нас не зависят и все такое прочее...
Но быть или не быть тактичным зависит уже исключительно от нас. Как бы лично ни относиться к Джоссу, к "Баффи", к "Ангелу", к "Светляку" - а мне бы и во сне не приснилось *требовать* от кого-то любви к нему или к его произведениям - и чем бы ни кончилась нынешняя ситуация (может быть, и в самом деле фаны рано паникуют, и все еще произойдет по Стальному Псу - спасибо, Васкез), на сегодняшний момент танцевать на его обломе, как последний американский юзенетчик... Стоит ли? (И нет, "я не радуюсь, мне просто все равно" тут не очень убедительный вариант: значит, не очень все равно, раз возникла потребность - "и именно сегодня, и именно сейчас" - сообщить городу и миру насколько именно все равно). Я же не высказываю здесь в подробностях, что конкретно я думаю о творчестве Дженни и о тех, кого она называет Спайком и Ангелом...
А кроме того существует еще такая вещь, тоже гораздо менее импульсивная и более связанная с разумом, чем любовь, как благодарность. Разочарование разочарованием, несогласие несогласием, но в течение не одного и не двух лет этот человек, не жалея пота, нервов, мозга и времени, развлекал (в ОЧЕНЬ широком смысле этого слова) всех здесь присутствующих по такой полной программе, которая мало кому снилась. (Развлекал в достаточной, полагаю, мере, чтобы оправдать те деньги, которые он за это получал - и судя по времени существования сериала и количеству петиций, так полагаю не только я). При этом еще кормя весьма-таки немалое количество талантов. И выведя к славе минимум троих наших нынешних любимцев. В том числе и того самого Джеймса, за которого так боязно... только было бы еще гораздо страшнее, если бы мы о нем так никогда и не узнали. (И не надо насчет "при таком таланте актера у Видона просто не было выбора": насколько талант и даже гений не мешает кого-то задвинуть и задушить его карьеру - сколько бы ни верещала публика - история уже показала неоднократно, и увы, при капитализме такое тоже возможно, хотя и в меньшей степени. Марстерс снимался и до "Баффи", тоже в сериалах, в гостевых ролях. И тоже работал там очень и очень качественно. Но с теми авторами почему-то ему это не помогло).
И как бы ни предпочитать фанфики, а только их тоже - в том числе и дженниевских - не было бы именно без этого нехорошего Джосса. Без его выдумки. Без его воображения. Без его способности подбирать актеров, без его упрямства и того самого нон-конформизма, который нам нравится только когда он против чьей-нибудь другой шерстки, а не нашей, но без которого вообще никакое творчество невозможно...
Так может быть, это стоит по крайней мере некоторой сдержанности даже со стороны тех, кого многое не устраивает в его творчестве и личности? Может, не пристало, получив - когда бы то ни было - столько удовольствия, а то и более высших наслаждений благодаря этому человеку, демонстрировать свое равнодушие к вышвыриванию (на сегодня) его с ТВ и, возможно, вообще из дела? (Как, например, тем, кто любят Микки-Мауса и "Белоснежку", не пристало бы торжествовать по поводу неудач Уолта Диснея и его студии, даже хотя он и был деспотом - куда там Джоссу - скупердяем-эксплуататором, стукачом и расистом...)
И нет, это я не пытаюсь заткнуть кому бы то ни было рот (благо - и я действительно считаю это благом - у меня просто нет такой возможности *в который уж раз порадовавшись, что она не модератор*). Это я тоже высказываю свое мнение (даже если оно будет стоить мне шанса в дальнейшем здесь появляться). Свобода ведь слова, так?
Dixi (Простите за патетику, не удержалась, больше, скорее всего, не буду...)
видя тебя на форуме, удивлялась - где же этот выговор. Что поделаешь - не могла удержаться, когда увидела, что и Джосс может перестать куражиться.
Подумала, и решила всё-таки ответить подробно (склочничать так склочничать - потом придёт админ и выгонит всех из леса ).
Без Ведона не было бы Марстерса, Бореаназа и даже Дженни с cousinjean? Согласна. Но считаю справедливым и другое утверждение - без Марстерса, Бореаназа, Дженни, cousinjean и многих других не было бы Ведона. Шоу-бизнес - система с обратной связью.
Тебя не возмущает, что Ведон позволяет себя публично (в отличие от меня - вряд ли высказывания на русскоязычном форуме можно всерьёз считать публичными ) неуважительно отзываться о Саре Мишель Геллар (вроде не последний человек среди тех, которые создали его личный успех), о Каризме Карпентер, о фанатах, чей вклад в успех его творений (я всякий раз восхищаюсь тем, насколько люди готовы отдавать свои силы, способности, деньги - и их умением самоорганизовываться) тоже не стоит недооценивать. Меня это возмущает.
У меня нет оснований предполагать, что Джосс Ведон с уважением относится к Джеймсу Марстерсу (возможно, мне просто не попадались те интервью, в которых он выражал свой респект). Я не видела, чтобы Джосс Ведон с уважением отзывался о тех людях, которые дают ему деньги. У меня сложилось впечатление, что Джосс Ведон благодарен только самому себе (ещё он когда-то делал книксены в сторону своей матери и жены) и уважает только самого себя (и именно это испортило персонаж, через который он самовыражался - основной мой "зуб" на него).
Далее - я не слишком верю в искренность людей, произносящих "Братья и сёстры!", когда я знаю, что до этого они говорили "Вот пошли бараны".
Мне неоднократно внушали, что Джосс Ведон прекрасно знает, как надо воздействовать на публику. Почему я должна поверить, что человек, который известен тем, что ни разу не сказал правды, даже отвечая на вопрос "Который час?", вдруг пришёл изливать душу не жене (которая ему друг, товарищ и брат) и сыну, а организованному фанатскому сообществу (да, я знаю, что он там не впервые выступает)?
Мне кажется, что Джосс Ведон пришёл просить помощи, но не впрямую - и если он с этой помощью получит желаемое (возможность продолжать быть в центре внимания за приличные деньги), то вряд ли он затруднится сказать "спасибо", и снова будет уверен в том, что благодарить и уважать ему нужно только самого себя
На спарклях (тоже ничего удивительного ) как раз на эту тему народ говорит. И ужасно понравилась фраза "Good morning! (not really, just being friendly) "
Интервью с J. August Richards, все по тому же поводу.
After the news came down From the WB and Joss himself, I sat down with J and asked him what he thought about the news and managed to squeeze in some fan questions as well. It was a shock for all of us and I couldn’t imagine what he thought so he gave us the exclusive interview below.
Rana: J, we just received the news, is it true about the cancellation of “Angel”?
J: Yes it is true. Joss came to the set and told us all at the same time. We found out Friday, the 13th, that afternoon.
Rana: How do you feel about the decision?
J: Well, First, I am gonna miss coming to work with the people, whom I grown close to over the years, and I work with everyday. I am going to miss my character whom I have grown to love and thirdly and im going to miss the world wide Angel fans and family that has supported us.
Rana: Is there a chance for future projects with the show? Or maybe being picked up by another network?
J: There is already boost talk about doing Angel tv movies in the future but that’s way in the future.
Rana: J, we have watched your character change from a street guy with muscle to the one everyone looks for to handle a situation when Angel is not around and now as a lawyer, everyone still looks to you. You are a key part of the show. How do you feel about your characters transformation since the start?
J: I am always very excited when my character is going to be making changes and there are still more big changes going to be made. Artistically and creatively I feel this season my character is in the zone and this season you will see my character go to place he has never been to before.
Rana: Is there anything you would like to say to your fans regarding the cancellation of the show?
J: Yes, thank you for supporting us, specifically me for the four years I have been on the show. I feel so grateful for that and having met so many of my fans around the world has truly been an amazing experience. Thanks for everything and I don’t want to sound final because I don’t feel this is final. The show is not airing next season but I don’t feel its over.
Rana: Do you have plans for the future? Or have you even had a chance to think about it yet?
J: I have a lot of plans and projects I am working on but the news is so new that I don’t have any immediate plans for anything.
Rana: Did you know since the news came out, that over 12,000 fans have signed a petition for the show to remain on the air?
J: No I didn't, that’s awesome.
Rana: J, we appreciate the exclusive interview about the shows cancellation but I would like to move on to the questions that have your fans on edge.
J: oh cool.
Rana: So, I have to ask, which one of your cast members came to your party dressed like a hooker?
J: ..smiles.. Amy did. The theme of my birthday party was “Pimps and Hoes” and everyone who was there came dressed as a pimp or a hoe and one of my crew members came as a hoe. It was funny because he is very macho and his name Stan Kernf. He was dressed up like a male prostitute you see on Santa Monica Blvd.
Rana: That sounds like fun. Ok, so now tell me, why do you find yourself between Alexis and James everyday?
J: laughs...my trailer is situated between them..
Rana: very cute.. Now knowing you and your character, I have to ask, when was it you refused to do a scene?
J: I refused to do a scene where Amy and I walk into a bathroom that is infested by rats. I was supposed to be submerged in rats in a bathtub. Needless to say I refused. I told the producer this is not fear factor.
Rana: shiver.. I wouldn’t blame you there. I don’t have anything against them but I wouldn’t have done it either.
Rana: Now tell me, what was the question all four of you guys refused to answer for Ryan Seacrest?
J: {smiles} Which of us was most likely to ditch on the Bill at a restaurant. When actually none of us would ditch, we would all fight to pay for it.
Rana: J, do you find it hard for fans to distinguish you and your character apart when you are away from the set?
J: No. I am very different from my character on the show. My character is ten times more serious than I am. I am always smiling and having a great time while my character is very serious. When people see me they ask why I don’t smile on the show and I tell them I am in character.
Rana: now that your show focus’s more of you and the cast being inside Wolfram and Hart, has it changed your work hours?
J: Yes, we don’t do graveyard shifts as much as we used to, which sucks for me because I cant function in the morning.
Rana: J, all the fans want to know who you spend most of your time with on and off the set, if anyone?
J: We all hang out together, so its evenly distributed among everyone.
Rana: How was it working with Charisma on the 100th Ep.? Since she’s been gone a while?
J: it was fantastic, just like old time. It felt like she never left.
Rana: Would you work with any of your cast members in another show?
J: In a heartbeat!
Rana: J, thank you so much for taking your time to talk to me and give me the exclusive Interview regarding the cancellation of your show and answering some of the fans questions. It has been a pleasure to interview you. I am sad the show is ending but with your personality and talent, I would say finding work won’t be hard for you at all.
J: Thank you Rana, It was a pleasure and I look forward to our next interview. You take Care and thank you and everyone for your support.
Люди покупают кассеты с «Coronation Street»?!? Вот тепреь я действительно в шоке.
...а то что ж это, выговоры давать, а за базар не отвечать
1. Нет, меня не возмущают высказывания Джосса по отношению к фанам и актерам. Потому уже хотя бы, что я в безнравственности своей не считаю эти высказывания признаком неуважения. Я не вижу, что неуважительного в том, что он не расшаркивается перед фанатами, не берет у них заказов, не извиняется за то, что следует своим курсом (нравится он кому-то или нет), получает удовольствие от успеха, не бьет себя в грудь при неуспехе и пытается скрыть будущие спойлеры. Я не вижу, где и в чем он обидел хотя бы одного своего работника - возможно, тоже не те интервью читала. (Правда, что с меня возьмешь: я не вижу оскорбления и когда Брендон, Марстерс или Хэд публично называют Джосса that lying rat bastard. Или это только актерам такие милые шуточки позволены, а режиссер-продюсер-автор изволь стоять в струнку и быть замогильно серьезен по принципу ильфовского "Почему вы пишете смешно"?) Кто действительно высказывал публичное неуважение к коллеге - конкретно, Саре - так это главный постановщик боев в "Баффи", Д. Пруитт. В результате ушел он, а не она, и ни на одну вечеринку с тех пор его не приглашали, если не ошибаюсь. (А то, что актеры иной раз сами не знают, чем кончится дело для их героев - в кого они влюбятся, зачем они ходят в Африку и что означает тот или иной поступок - это, ничего не поделаешь, part and parcel данной конкретной работы. Как ни уважай актера, но в общем раскладе он - солдат, а режиссер - генерал. И это его дело добиваться нужной реакции и по возможности предохраняться *я извиняюсь * от информационной утечки).
2. При том, что я абсолютно согласна насчет обратной связи и взаимозависимости в шоу-бизнесе (и уж не мне предъявлять претензии в недооценке Марстерса, чью гениальность я как минимум серьезно пододзреваю), связь эта - может быть, увы - равносторонней ни в коей мере не является. Несправедливо и грустно, но факт: соотношение между режиссерами (особенно которые еще и продюсеры) и актерами в этом деле работает по принципу "вас много, а я один". Да, режиссеров тоже много, и безработица среди них тоже свирепствует, но на каждого режиссера приходится *немеряно* больше актеров. И как бы ни был прекрасен тот или иной актер, он не является незаменимым - хотя бы уже потому, что пока его не пригласили, народ просто не знает, что он теряет в его лице. (А иногда и когда уже пригласили... Под давлением массовидных фанов и студии гораздо более послушный мальчик, чем Джосс, - Д. М. Стражински - заменил потрясающе тонкого и глубокого актера в своем Вавилоне стандартным гуд-ковбоем Брюсом Бокслейтнером. Немалое количество культовых, "оригинальных" фанов, как там, так и здесь, до сих пор считают это как минимум мини-катастрофой для сериала. Но славу его это не уменьшило и в неизвестность ДМС не обрушило: смотрели все, как миленькие, до самого конца). Так что повторяю: именно без Джосса не было бы ни Марстерса, ни Бореаназа, ни фиков - а вот обратное положение неверно. *Такого* шоу, как оно есть, без этих актеров действительно бы не было. Было бы несколько другое. Но тоже знаменитое и популярное. "Баффи" прославилась всерьез на культовом уровне еще с первых двенадцати серий, когда того же Марстерса и рядом не стояло. И даже если бы Видон не оценил потенциал Джеймса и прихлопнул его персонаж через пару серий, как собирался, не думаю, что это погубило бы весь сериал на корню. (В смысле успеха, я имею в виду). В общем, есть, есть тут за что быть ему благодарным.
3. Считай меня слепой и глухой, но никакого призыва на помощь, никаких "братьев и сестер" в последнем выступлении Джосса я не увидела. Увидела реакцию - вполне понятную - на этот сюрприз со стороны Уорнеров (и да, при разнице рейтингов по сравнению с пятым сезоном, при переносе времени показа напротив "24" и "Западного крыла", при исполнении их настояний в смысле кастинга, я считаю это сюрпризом... но даже если бы и не считала, не отказывала бы ему в праве выражать свои чувства на данный счет: для меня Муций Сцевола и спартанский мальчик с лисой не являются непременными образцами поведения). Увидела чувства человека, у которого произошло три облома подряд (кстати, не каждый способен признать свой денайл в таком положении). И не вижу причин отказывать ему в выражении этих чувств (кстати, почему ты решила, что жене и матери он их не высказал? вроде, никто из нас еще не устанавливал в его квартире камер наблюдения ... а сыну, надеюсь, не высказал, с учетом возраста ребенка). Но какой-то надежды, что фаны как-то ему помогут... что называется, я вас умоляю. По-моему, дураком его не считаешь даже ты. Человек работает в этом бизнесе мало не двадцать лет. Уж ему ли не знать, как в наше время "работают" петиции и бойкоты, и насколько это в принципе возможно - убедить в чем-то студию, если у тебя там нет мохнатой лапы или друзей-спонсоров (после "Мясного дворца" - ба-альшой шанс на это дело у МЕ).
4. Даже если бы я видела в этом выступлении то, что в нем видишь ты - то есть, призыв на помощь; и относилась бы к таковому призыву так, как относишься ты; и воспринимала бы речи Джосса и его поведение именно как неуважение, оскорбление, лицемерие и прочие достойные порицания качества (как воспринимаю поведение в жизни того же Диснея) - даже и тогда я не нашла бы данный конкретный момент подходящим для того, чтобы хоть косвенно пинать лежачего и не сочла бы отмену сериала поводом для самого завуалированного "так ему и надо". Хотя бы уже ради того кайфа, который Видон и Ко (благодаря Видону же) доставили мне в прошлом, не смотри я даже "Ангела" с полным кайфом сейчас.
Ну и потому что - как мы уже неоднократно соглашались по другим поводам - дело не в том, *с кем* ты это делаешь...
AthenaG, а именно потому что "Улицу Коронации" (а также "Санту-Барбару", "Жителей Ист-Энда", "Молодых и безбашенных", далее по бесконечному списку) раскупают, смотрят в массовом порядке и заваливают редакции и студии письмами на эту тему, "Ангела" и тому подобное отменяют, а каналы заполнены именно этим самым. В комплекте с ситкомами и реалити-шоу...
"именно без Джосса не было бы ни Марстерса, ни Бореаназ
"... ни фиков" Угу. Я помню такого актёра - Жана Маре, который был уверен, что, не будь его, миллионы женщин бы так и умерли, не узнав, что такое любить. Уж фики-то - точно не порождение Ведона. Возможно, без него не было бы Марстерса и Бореаназа, но фики Дженни были бы, только на другую тему (например, она писала о себе I worship at Brian's feet - речь идёт о QAF, так что она бы просто черпала вдохновение из другого источника).
Мы, как обычно, расходимся в одном - ты считаешь, что осознание себя исключительным даёт человеку права, я считаю, что это налагает на него обязанности (заметь, я пишу не о том, является ли человек на самом деле исключительным - лишь о том, что он себя таковым осознаёт). Изображал из себя спартанского мальчика, когда было хорошо - изволь изображать его же, когда стало плохо.
Что до "пинать лежачего" - я понимаю твою обиду, досаду и прочее, поэтому не воспринимаю такие фразы всерьёз. Может, всё-таки ты поймёшь, что я, даже решив послать Ведона трёхэтажным боцманским, наношу ему вред не больший, чем подчинённый, пинающий чучело босса, выставленное в холле для разрядки, ты же, сражаясь с мировой несправедливостью, говоришь свои слова реальному человеку.
Прошу прощения за вчерашнее отсутствие на форуме. С раннего утра до полуночи просидела в Останкино, переводила материалы с Берлинского кинофестиваля для передачи "Интересное кино", ввалилась домой в час ночи без сил и упала в койку. Но зато сегодня наверстываю...
Сначала - немного смешного Новое название The WB на форумах - The Wanker Bastards
Robert Bianco Chat Transcript - Monday, February 16, 2004
So what happened? WB will put the blame on so-so ratings and rising costs - neither of which would probably be a problem if the show were produced by Warner Brothers instead of by Fox. Here you have another example of the dangers of cross-media ownership, not that Congress has any intention of doing anything about it. I love the show, and think it's having a strong season. (I do miss Carpenter, but her exit was apparently unavoidable, as was WB's demand that the show drop the big story arcs.) And I'd be more willing to let it go if WB had shown any ability over the last few years to come up with something that would do better or be half as good. But here's what really has me worried: the creativity drain that seems to have struck network television. Look at some of the great writers who have left network TV over the last three years: Marshall Herskovitz and Ed Zwick, David Milch, Aaron Sorkin, and now, apparently, Joss Whedon. The networks should be begging these people to stay, and instead they seem to be actively pushing them out.
Елена, извини, что я вторгаюсь в твой спор со Стренджер, но мне кажется, что, говоря о фиках, она как раз и имела в виду вдохновение. Не знаю, как Дженни, а я до прошлого года фиков лет десять не писала - не было о чем, не видела героев, которых хотелось бы приручить, не было вселенных, в которые хотелось бы переселиться. И, похоже, больше не будет...
Если ты хочешь это использовать, как аргумент, то могу тебе противопоставить столь же "весомый" контраргумент - а я как раз до джоссверса фики и писала. На тему LFN.
Будет VasquezE, будет. Все зависит от того, как быстро и легко ты чем-то увлекаешься. А на счет фиков что касается Баффи и Ангела у мне я какое то странное к ним отношение, мне кажется что вселенная VV настолько самобытна, что добавить к ней что либо на серьезном уровне очень и сложно. Когда дело доходит до описания характеров Спайка и Ангела, они всегда для меня выглядит несколько карикатурно, в них всегда что-то не хватает. Хотя может быть я их и идеализирую. Но все-таки я сетую на то что Вся команда и конечно Джеймс с Девидом создали такие сложные образы, что описать их по настоящему чрезвычайно сложно. Каюсь, фики читаю, но почти все воспринимаю как фики. Пока не прочла ничего что было бы лучше оригинала или на его уровне. Фики писались и будут писаться с выдуманным миром Джосса или без. Но главное то, что мы увидели и узнали этот мир из за которого мы сейчас находимся на этом форуме. Или любом другом форуме посвященному кому либо или чему, либо из этой вселенной. Так что бы там Джосс не горилл и не делал я ему благодарна. Да всем я там благодарна. Кроме.. ну да ладно.
цитата:
Д. М. Стражински - заменил потрясающе тонкого и глубокого актера в своем Вавилоне стандартным гуд-ковбоем Брюсом Бокслейтнером. Немалое количество культовых, "оригинальных" фанов, как там, так и здесь, до сих пор считают это как минимум мини-катастрофой для сериала.
Strenger, если ты имеешь ввиду Майкла то я как раз те самые люди, которые страдали, но продолжали смотреть. Мне он нравился безумно. Сначала смотрела в надеже что он вернется. А потом и сюжет так лихо завернули, что продолжала смотреть, потому что было интересно, что произойдет дальше. Идея дорогого стоит. Дороже актерских талантов это точно.
Начет ситкомов ничего сказать не могу, тут я пристрастна, так как люблю ситкомы. Но меня удивило как можно покупать кассеты с шоу которое в эфире каждый день уже сорок два года? Как можно что-то смотреть столько времени? Как бы я ни любила Б и А, но то что они должны были завершится есть суровая правда жизни. Просто «Ангел» завершается как-то очень скоро и неожиданно . В этом году заканчивается мой любимы ситком (кстати о ситкомах) «Друзья», но как бы я ни любила это шоу, я понимаю что 10 лет это много и шоу пора завершить. Хотя конечно у всех свои закидоны и не мне и им удивляться.
Вот, притащила цитату (дровишек в костёр, а то вдруг загаснет, а все так подавлены, что и говорить будет не о чем ) - jass claims credit for everything good about angel, so he must take the blame for everything that's bad, and he doesn't, he blames others.
Что до соответствия характеров - я ищу не соответствия чего-нибудь одного чему-нибудь другому (особенно если и то, и это - вымысел), а того, что нужно именно мне. И если я на регулярной основе шмыгаю носом над фиками Дженни (давно перестала это делать в самих сериалах), то из посещений психотерапевта я вынесла, что я получаю то, что мне нужно, что каким-то образом задевает мои личные проблемы (надеюсь, при этом и помогая их решить).
Каюсь, фики читаю, но почти все воспринимаю как фики. Пока не прочла ничего что было бы лучше оригинала или на его уровне.
Разумеется, фики нужно воспринимать как фики. Вторичный материал всегда вторичен по отношению к оригиналу. Речь сейчас не о качестве (это тема спорная, причем безнадежно спорная, ибо, как показывает практика, все остаются при своих мнениях). Речь о другом - о том, что тысячи людей под воздействием шоу начинают принимать участие в достройке чужой художественной вселенной. Кто-то несет кирпичики, кто-то дома, кто-то целые города. И это делается в удовольствие. Огромное удовольствие. Сочинение фиков - совершенно иной кайф, чем просмотр шоу. И совершенно не обязательно "добавлять на серьезном уровне". Можно и на несерьезном. Ты mahaliem читала? Это же блеск!
Елена
цитата:
"я до прошлого года фиков лет десять не писала" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Если ты хочешь это использовать, как аргумент, то могу тебе противопоставить столь же "весомый" контраргумент - а я как раз до джоссверса фики и писала. На тему LFN.
можно посмотреть сколько фиков написано по тому или иному сериалу. Я подобрала все (вроде бы все, но могла что-то и просмотреть), где фиков больше тысячи. И вот что получилось:
Buffy: The Vampire Slayer (20870) Stargate: SG-1 (4749) X-Files (4574) Angel (4006) Dark Angel (375 Gilmore Girls (3657) Smallville (3586) CSI (3296) ER (3115) Friends (2603) Roswell (2556) Power Rangers (2281) Lizzie McGuire (2136) JAG (1872) StarTrek: Enterprise (1554) General Hospital (1310) Andromeda (1105) Pretender (1043) Xena: Warrior Princess (1006) Third Watch (1002)
************* И La Femme Nikita (181)
Похоже, Джосс Ведон вдохновляет сильнее других...
цитата:
Вот, притащила цитату (дровишек в костёр, а то вдруг загаснет, а все так подавлены, что и говорить будет не о чем ) - jass claims credit for everything good about angel, so he must take the blame for everything that's bad, and he doesn't, he blames others.
А чья цитата, если не секрет? ********************* Новости от SteelDog
Ok guys. I have an update and I am afraid I jumped the gun a bit. My friend read the thread and asked me to clarify some information.
First off it is not official that the show is being shopped around. Unfortunately just like any other company, when something like this happens, employee gosip runs rampid and so does speculation during such a stressful time. ME is no different.
The person I know is not a person who makes the decisions and the information I was given was based on employee conjecture. It was also based on previous information that was passed on to the employees had Angel been cancelled last season by the WB.
So I think the assumption was that whatever direction ME would have taken last season to keep Angel alive would apply to this situation as well. Again I took this as if this was actually going to happen versus it may happen.
It was my fault I jumped the gun and I throw myself under the bus. You guys know I don't post anything that isn't reliable and I think my track record speaks for itself. However, I just thought I would own up to jumping the gun a bit cause I have a little egg on my face right now. My friend didn't want to give anybody false hope and neither do I. For that I apologize.
The good news is that some employees still are hoping that this is the direction that Joss decides to go. Many of the employees want to fight to keep the show alive. So I hope that ME does shop the show around. It deserves to go on based on it's success alone this season.
I know this is a sensative subject for fans and everybody wants the best. If I am able to post any more information regarding this situation....I promise to dot my I's and cross my T's before I post anything else on this topic (and get approval before posting ).
Thanks guys and keep up the fight!
А это статья из вчерашней Variety Кое-где я не удержалась от комментариев. Где-то - чтобы объяснить, в чем дело (товарищи пишут на своем профессиональном сленге), где-то - чтобы выпустить наружу пар.
This "Angel" has gone to heaven.
The WB has opted not to renew the Joss Whedon-produced drama "Angel" for a sixth season. Frog topper (в смысле - босс The WB) Jordan Levin informed Whedon of the decision to cancel the skein (шоу) Thursday night.
Move on the surface is a head-scratcher. Twentieth Century Fox TV-produced skein is the net's second highest-rated hour among viewers 18-34 (behind lead-in "Smallville") and fourth among auds 12-34. Its numbers have been solid this year, even against brutal competish on Wednesday night and in a year in which the WB is experiencing double-digit Nielsen declines.
But Frog execs are also facing the reality of an aging sked, with skeins such as "Charmed," "7th Heaven" and "Gilmore Girls" potentially facing final seasons next year.
У них установка на молодежную аудиторию, и "взрослые" шоу не вписываются в их имидж и маркетинговую политику.
Levin also said the rapidly changing economics of network television played a big role in the decision to end "Angel." Skein doesn't repeat well (естественно - потому что все фанаты записывают серии на видео, зачем им пересматривать в прямом эфире?), and Levin anticipates having to double run one or more dramas in primetime next season --- as well as add more reality programs to the Frog's mix.
Реалити-шоу гораздо дешевле, но как написала одна девушка со Спарклей, "если я захочу посмотреть реалити-шоу, куплю попкорна и сяду перед окном".
"We have a lot of veteran shows that are aging, and we're going to have to make room for new programs," Levin said. "I know this will make lots of fans unhappy. But we have to have more at-bats, and we need to create timeslots where we can repeat shows (the same week episodes premiere.)"
Что такое at-bats - не знаю. Кто-нибудь в курсе?
"This isn't about the WB bailing out on one of its top shows," Levin added. "The show had a loyal core following, but it didn't have a tremendous amount of new audience upside."
All parties involved said the cost of the show itself was not the central factor in the decision to cancel "Angel."
См. в моем предыдущем посте мнение аналитика - он пишет прямо противоположное. И Variety дальше тоже пишет
The WB made waves three years ago when it decided to part ways with Whedon's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" after a squabble with 20th over its license fee.
Вот это, кстати, может стать первым препятствием на пути перехода на другой канал. Fox может потребовать большие деньги за лицензию или предложить "собственное производство" с сохранением лицензии на DVD и сопутствующие товары. Это будет очень невыгодно для сети, которая по сути купит сериал только для одноразового показа.
Дальше слова Ведона. Очень резкие. Одно дело - высказаться на фанатском форуме, другое - в главной газете шоу-бизнеса.
Whedon said that while he understands the business part of the decision, he's nonetheless "heartbroken."
"I thought that if a show was really good and doing really well (in the ratings), it was renewed," scribe said. "I was apparently misinformed."
Whatever the intricacies of the Frog's business model, Whedon said the decision to axe "Angel" doesn't seem logical.
"I do understand the business of it," he said. "But to me, when they're scrambling to hold on to their audience, their revenue, their dignity, it doesn't seem the best decision. And it's certainly not the classiest."
"If there's no place for quality in the equation, I don't know why we're here," Whedon added.
Комментарий Fox (держателей лицензии)
Dana Walden, prexy of 20th, said she understands the WB's point of view, even if she's disappointed by the net's decision.
"I can see their perspective. Jordan has been very honest about the decision-making process," Walden said. "(But) when a show works on your air, you have to find ways to keep it there. Shame on all of us for not finding a way.... There are a lot of disappointed fans."
Похоже, The WB предложил им либо снизить цену лицензии, либо поделиться, но товарищи не договорились...
Levin said he and Whedon started talking about the show's future a few weeks ago, right around the time of the show's 100th episode party. Conversations about the changing state of the TV business left open the possibility that "Angel" --- despite its creative and ratings strength --- might not be a slam-dunk to return.
"He said he wanted to protect his cast and crew, and asked if I could let them know sooner rather than later," Levin said. "These are usually decisions you wait until the last minute to make. But after 'Dawson's Creek,' I saw how important closure was for a cast, and given Joss' request, I owed him (an early decision.) It was a very bittersweet parting and an end of an era for us," Levin added. "I have the ultimate respect for Joss as someone who created two landmark series and stood behind them the whole time."
Да, похоже, они сильно поскандалили. Ведон даже отказался ставить финал. Это говорит о многом.
Because ratings and reviews have been solid for "Angel" this season, Whedon said his cast and crew were "stunned" when he broke the news to them Friday. "Nobody saw this coming," he said.
On the positive side, with casting season just heating up, the show's thesps will now have time to line up projects for next season.
Whedon said he and "Angel" exec producer-showrunner Jeff Bell have already mapped out the series finale, which Bell is slated to helm. Whedon continues to explore the possibility of a feature based on his short-lived Fox skein "Firefly."
As for "Angel," Whedon said he was glad the show passed the 100 episode milestone, and grateful to Walden and 20th prexy Gary Newman for their support during a two-year frame that saw the natural end of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Firefly" and now the end of "Angel."
While there's already talk of some "Angel" telepics, Whedon said it's too soon for him to imagine such a possibility.
"All we have left on 'Angel' is to end the season with episodes as strong and meaningful as we can muster," Whedon said. "But then, we were going to do that anyway."
Hi Harry - Youve still got the best movie site around! My Name's Ben, I attend the Digital Media Arts College here in Boca Raton, fl. Yesterday we were privy to a special forum of screenwriters. No one especially biggish - but Liz Craft, a TV writer for television's "Angel".
Craft hinted that the series mightn't be back next year - but didn't say anything.Of course it all makes sense now - some of the other ideas for the buffy universe that are being discussed. As the statement by warner says they are looking at doing a series of telemovies, at one time Craft said that joss whedon had plans for a "Buffy/Angel" film - not telemovie - but decided to wait until both series were off the air. It would be the one movie re-teaming both characters, angel and buffy. she fielded a few questions about it, but didn't know much. just said wait till both shows are off the air and then joss will probably get something going, a'la firefly. i thought that small bit might cheer up some of those angel fans. and also thought the news might be of some use to you.
Transcribed by *and with much thanks to* Totally David Boreanaz UK
Anyone expecting any resolving of Angel's love-life will be disappointed. The series will probably be just as open-ended on that aspect.. Jeff Bell answered Fans' questions in Angel UK Mag #8.
From Alicia: It doesn't seem like loving Buffy has been a major factor for Angel on his own series. Do you see Angel as truly loving Buffy (The Buffy that is now as opposed to the girl of his memories)? Their transcendant love doesn't seem to have carried over to the newer show. What are your thoughts on this one?
My thoughts are that Angel is an adult. I think he and Buffy have come to a place, and you got a sense of this near the end of Buffy, where they were thinking, "We love each other, but the way things are now it ain't gonna work out. We're adults, so let's move ahead with our lives." One of the things that's interesting about my position is that we get lots of fan mail. Some of the fan mail says Spike and Buffy should be together. Some people think Angel and Buffy should be together forever. And we get fan mail from people who think Angel and Cordelia should be together forever. There are lots of different factions with lots of different beliefs, and what's kind of fun is that they're all right in some way. To land too hard on any one idea takes away some of the fun of it. I will say that for everyone who wants whatever pairing together I think they'd be ultimately be disappointed if we actually did it. Once you're together, what's there to pine for? And for people who want them apart, if there's some way to keep their love alive, there's something to keep those people interested and questioning. Не забудем, что Белл будет ставить финал.
ANGEL UPDATE: Don't expect a certain Slayer to pop up on the series finale of Angel in May. A source tells TV Guide Online that there are still no plans for Sarah Michelle Gellar to guest-star on the Buffy spin-off, despite the WB's announcement Friday that this would be the show's final season. It may be just as well, judging by all the anti-Buffy e-mails I've been receiving. "We don't need no stinkin' Buffy to have a quality send-off for Angel," writes Claudia. "He is so much more than Buffy!" Adds Megan: "How about no to a Buffy/Angel reunion? What agenda are you pushing, Michael?" Well, for starters, Megan, I'd like SoapNet to acquire Santa Barbara.
"It seemed like we hit our stride, so this is a big shock," Whedon told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "It's like a hale 49-year-old fellow just having a heart attack and dying like that."
The show maintains a small but loyal cult-fan base, but WB executives decided the numbers were not high enough to justify the program's cost.
There may be hope for resurrection. Although nothing is finalized yet, the WB has proposed a few "Angel" TV movies to tie up any loose ends in the story.
"It's my fervent hope that all my cast and my writers will be much too busy," Whedon said. "It's not that I'm not interested in the idea, I just want steady jobs for my people. But I definitely think there are more stories to tell."
A lot depends on whether Whedon and 20th Century Fox Television, which produces the show, will succeed in shopping a sixth season of "Angel" to another network, such as TNT, which carries reruns of the show, or UPN, which previously picked up "Buffy" after it left the WB.
Whedon also plans to ask "Buffy" star Sarah Michelle Gellar about a possible guest role on one of the final episodes. Her character's romance with Angel was one of the vampire's defining storylines.
Whedon responded to the news with typical wry humor, releasing a mock statement celebrating the series' sixth season pickup ("It's really wonderful...Angel is hitting new strides in terms of creativity and appeal, and everyone is so full of energy...") before saying the cancellation "sucks."
"Angel is as strong as it's ever been, except for that's it's dead," said Whedon. "I'm heartbroken."
The network gave no reason for driving the final nail into Angel's coffin, but the series has been on the bubble since last year.
Despite a dedicated following, ratings for the show have failed to break the 4 million mark this season, as opposed to its first year when the show averaged 4.8 million viewers.
Whedon also refused to speculate. "I can't speak for the WB's reasoning, and this would probably be a bad time for me to comment on any of the shows they're NOT canceling," he said. "But they provided a home (albeit a temporary, foster home) for both Buffy and Angel that otherwise would not have existed, and I'm grateful for that."
The network said Whedon was told about the cancellation in time to wrap up the show's storylines for the May finale.
"Like some of the great series that are leaving the air this year, including Frasier and Friends, the cast, crew, writers and producers of Angel deserve to be able to wrap up the series in a way befitting a classic television series," the network said in a statement.
"We did not want to contemplate this being the last year of Angel without giving the show the option of crafting their own destiny for this character and this series."
According to the statement, there's also the possibility of Angel-related "special movie events" next year. Internet-based rumors about the potential special prompted the network to come clean about Angel's fate before arrangements were finalized. http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/17/tv.angel.cancelled.ap/index.html
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The WB has done what no vampire slayer could: It killed "Angel," the do-gooder bloodsucker with a soul.
"Angel" creator Joss Whedon may try to shop the show elsewhere.
There may be hope for resurrection. Although nothing is finalized yet, Whedon is talking with the network about possible "Angel" TV movies next year to tie up any loose ends in the story.
A lot depends on whether Whedon and 20th Century Fox Television, which produces the show, will succeed in shopping a sixth season of "Angel" to another network, such as TNT, which carries reruns of the show, or UPN, which previously picked up "Buffy" after it left the WB
И маленький прикол со Спарклей: M'Lu You know what we need? A frog-in-a-blender emoticon. (Напомню, что "лягушкой называют The WB)
Кстати, фаны начали делать сайт, посвященный спасению шоу. Пока есть только главная страница, но обещают, что скоро появится много чего интересного.
Его, AlhenaG, его (кстати, дико извиняюсь за замыленный глаз, в упор не видящий напечатанных букв ). И я тоже «те самые люди» (до сих пор иной раз глупо переживаю и воображаю, как бы все это было, если бы...)
А против любви к ситкомам в принципе я ничего не имею (не разделяю, за небольшим количеством исключений, да и то не уверена, ситкомы ли это – невеликий специалист – но это еще не значит, что никто другой их не должен любить). Просто... ну много их, ситкомов (как и мыла, как и реалити). А таких шоу, как у Джосса – раз-два и обчелся (как уже лучше меня сказал автор цитаты из «США Сегодня» - спасибо, Васкез). Впрочем, подозреваю, что тут мы во мнениях не расходимся...
Елена, *продолжая изумлять действительность отсутствием смены позиций*, я честно не вижу признаков сцеволизма у Джосса – даже в интервью самых что ни на есть его успешных времен. Можно обвинять его в том, что он строит из себя гения (я считаю, что ему и строить не надо, но это сугубо личное мнение ), больно умного, передового-свободомыслящего – но где он изображает стоика и героя, не вижу в упор.
А насчет реальных людей... во-первых, ну что тут поделаешь, я-таки действительно вижу в Джоссе реального человека, все присвисты в свою спину он слышит-читает сейчас или не все. И во-вторых я тут не только его защищаю (и уж всяко не мировую справедливость: для этого надо как минимум знать, что оно за зверь, для меня же пока это дело не более реально, чем социализм с человеческим лицом). Мне еще очень грустно, что такой реальный человек, как именно ты, говорит вещи... которых, с учетом все тех же данных конкретных обстоятельств, можно ведь было и не говорить. (Заметь, я же уже лет сто как не возникала на эту тему, пока Джоссу не прихлопнули последнее шоу).
А что сказано про Уорнеров в твоей цитате – нет, мне это не нравится. И если это цитата из Джосса – чему, извини, без его личного подтверждения не поверю, и не только потому что он такой хороший – мне не станет менее неприятно это слышать. Но даже и это не отменит того, о чем я уже говорила выше: сделанное сделано. Полученный кайф получен. Имена вышли на свет и фанфики написаны (даже если я отношусь к ним в общем и целом как AlhenaG). И по одному по этому... но я повторяюсь. (А ведь хотела вообще больше не высовываться...)
Свежие новости. Похоже, Ведон действительно собирается умыть руки и писать комиксы.
Date Posted: 22:25:30 02/17/04 Tue Author: royd_9 Author Host/IP: ppp190-243.lino.sympatico.ca / 142.217.243.190 Subject: Confirmed: Joss Whedon to write X-men
Joss Whedon will be writing a 12 issue-run on Marvel Comics' new mutant title: Astonishing X-men. The new title begins in may 2004, it features art by John Cassaday, and becomes the core title of Marvel's "X" line.
There is a short interview with Joss Whedon at www.wizarduniverse.com
X-MARKS THE SPOT Whedon, Cassaday launch new X-Men title
Hit televisions shows just weren’t enough for Joss Whedon, he had to have the X-Men too. After creating both “Buffy: The Vampire Slayer” and the hit spin-off “Angel,” Whedon’s now signed on to write a new X-Men title debuting in May. Alongside superstar artist John Cassaday (Planetary), Whedon will launch Astonishing X-Men, the newest title to join the ever-expanding X-line of books.
“For the last couple of years, I’ve really been reading New X-Men pretty avidly,” Whedon told Wizard. “I was really into the book and I don't have three shows on the air anymore, just one. I love the world so much. I love the book. I felt like, ‘Well, my schedule is opening up a little bit and these guys are all so cool, it'd be so much fun.’ Then, John Cassaday expressed interest—that made it exciting and everything kind of fell into place.”
While Whedon’s team members are still top secret and he’s wary of releasing too many details about his upcoming 12-issue run, Cassaday did mention that it was a hard deal to turn down after the artist heard about the cast of characters he’d be allowed to draw.
“I doodled some character ideas way before I'd given Marvel a firm answer,” said Cassaday. “Some characters were instant and easily handled, but there are some concepts I'm still tinkering with. I can't say I'm intimidated by any of them, though. I just feel lucky that so many of my favorites are on our team. It certainly makes a difference.”
For a full five-page feature on how the entire Whedon/Cassaday X-Men deal came together with exclusive quotes from all the creators on board the project, check out Wizard #151, on sale March 31
Но с другой стороны, пресса не хочет его отпускать за просто так и даже намекает, что неплохо бы запустить The Spike Show...
Buffy, and to some extent its spin-off Angel, helped put WB on the map — much as The X-Files was key in establishing Fox's network identity. I still remember my shock when I first put in the tape of the Buffy pilot, with expectations that couldn't be lower — after all, I'd seen the movie. I wasn't counting on much from the series or from the mini-network that up until then had little to recommend itself. (This was before Felicity, Dawson's Creek and Gilmore Girls, mind you.) Sarah Michelle Gellar's delightful performance as the spunky slayer, the warm wit and wisdom of Whedon's worldview, and the dynamic presence of David Boreanaz's soulful Angel (who would prove himself to be a leading man capable of carrying a series of his own), all were revelations to me.
Over the years, I have come to expect a certain level of quality from WB, and I have also become accustomed to the network not making that many regrettable programming decisions. Losing Buffy to UPN was one, letting Angel go before its creative team was ready is another. I will miss this world terribly. I think WB will come to miss it as well.
It's yet another body blow in a discouraging season for fans of offbeat TV. How many more reluctant goodbyes will we be forced to make to our favorite series before this year is over?
No Angel: Well, I'm not exactly happy about the WB's decision to put a stake in Angel. And I'm going to be even more steamed if they decide to renew sludge like One Tree Hill and The Surreal Life. More than 32,000 viewers have signed this petition to keep Angel alive; at the very least, might the WB consider launching Spike: The Series? Posted 5 p.m. ET
Знаете, господа, а ведь USA Today - это серьезное издание, там не дураки сидят... Значит не мы одни такие, кто этого хочет?
"И если это цитата из Джосса" свят-свят-свят, откуда такая мысль? Я её привела к тому, что если Джосса оскорбляют и вылизывают попеременно (а в местах его вероятного появления вылизывания предписаны, а оскорбления пресекаются), то Левину не достаётся ничего, кроме. Хотя вот уж кто не обязан был подставляться разъярённым народным массам не в период летнего затишья, а в сезон наибольшей активности этих масс.
"я тут не только его защищаю" а в других местах - где он вероятнее появится - ты его защищаешь?
"Но даже и это не отменит того, о чем я уже говорила выше: сделанное сделано. Полученный кайф получен. Имена вышли на свет и фанфики написаны" Угу. Наверное, это во мне атеизм говорит, но нет во мне этого смирения, потребности благодарить и когда Ведон дал, и когда Ведон взял. Вывел имена на свет - обгадил имена перед всем светом. Он в своём праве? Безусловно. А я в своём - мне плюнули в лицо, и от того, что он не в меня целился (и даже не подозревал о моём существовании), а просто так самовыражался, мне не легче. Моё уважение - не то, что выдаётся раз и навсегда безо всяких условий. Были основания для респекту - получи респект (и мою двухмесячную зарплату впридачу ). Основания исчезли - вертай респект взад, гений там или не гений.
"А ведь хотела вообще больше не высовываться..." Хе! "- Видали вы Саянова, Саянова не пьяного? - Саянова - не пьяного? Значит, не Саянова!" (кажется, это писал сам Виссарион Саянов )
Vasquez, цитата с форума сайта Каризмы. Похоже, что после четвёртого сезона посетители имя, данное Ведону при крещении, забыли напрочь.
Ну, а демонстрация того, что "мне и без "Ангела" есть чем заняться" в такой момент... впрочем, ни моего, ни незнакомкиного уважения это не убавит (хотя и по разным причинам )
Елена, я прошу считать мой пост не попыткой оспорить твои слова (я знаю, что все останутся при своих мнениях, и за здравстует плюрализм...) а просто размышлением по поводу.
Если кому-то мои соображения не понравятся - не бейте слишком больно.
В каком-то из своих интервью Ведон говорил, что создавал свои шоу в расчете на сильные зрительские эмоции. Он их получил. Но, как известно, в шоу-бизнесе без подвоха не бывает. В данном случае подвох заключался в том, что у наиболее вовлеченных в шоу зрителей эмоции стали слишком сильными. Они перестали воспринимать происходящее как шоу. Оно стало для них... нет, не просто реальностью (сильно ли мы переживаем по поводу тех реальных ужасов в других странах, которые показывают в новостях?) а реальностью их личной жизни. Думаю, среди них - большинство тех, кто общается на этом форуме. Поэтому, наверное, лучше писать не "они", а "мы". Ежели кто не согласен - извините, пожалуйста.
Проблема в том, что если воспринимать Спайка, Баффи, Ангела и прочих персонажей Джоссверса на уровне реальных людей, то Ведон автоматически превращается в злого гения, который их мучает. А не мучить их он не может, потому что ежели все будут довольны и счастливы - шоу получится неинтересное. Положение совершенно безвыходное и безвыигрышное: мучить героев - навлекать на себя гнев экстремальных фанатов. С их точки зрения, он плюет им в лицо и обгаживает любимых героев перед всем светом. Не мучить - значит, снимать неинтересное шоу (если кто-нибудь приведет мне пример интересного сериала, в котором все герои счастливы и довольны своей жизнью - буду весьма признательна. Я такого не знаю).
Парадокс заключается еще и в том, что зачастую отрицательные фанатские эмоции оказываются самым мощным источником вдохновения (потребность в творчестве вообще возникает из отрицательных эмоций, комплексов и пр.) В прошлом году одна очень талантливая сочинительница фиков сказала мне одну чрезвычайно забавную фразу. Дословно, естественно, не помню, но общий смысл был такой: "я не могу спокойно смотреть на то, как Баффи обращается со Спайком, я смотрю одну-две сцены, и во мне все закипает и я сразу же иду писать фик".
Собственно говоря, именно это и советует Ведон. Не нравится - делайте по-своему.
Но есть и еще один аспект слишком глубокого вовлечения в чью-то художественную вселенную. Создатель этой вселенной постепенно начинает казаться тебе богом местного значения. А бог, мучающий свои создания - плохой бог. Его нужно низвергнуть. И низвергают. Утки готовы его убить, цитата с сайта Каризмы, которую приводит Елена, сама за себя говорит, Спаркли тоже его не жалуют, Котята (шипперы Уиллоу\Тары) тоже в свое время джихад объявляли.
Проблема в том, что Ведон все-таки человек. Были у него просчеты? Думаю, были. Возможно, кто-то считает иначе. Я лично вижу в нынешнем сезоне один очень большой промах. И как раз по поводу этого промаха мы с Еленой в своей время очень яростно спорили. Совершенно верно, я про Спармони. Эта 30-секундная эскапада стоила Ведону порядка миллиона зрителей - примерно трети тех, кто перекочевал в 5 сезон "Ангела" после 7 сезона "Баффи". Того самого миллиона, которого, на мой взгляд, хватило бы, чтобы шоу продлили на 6 сезон. Я убеждена, что если бы рейтинги удержались в районе 3.0 (плюс-минус две десятых), Левин бы покочевряжился и дал в конце концов зеленый свет на 6 сезон. Но от Destiny и дальше рейтинги упали примерно на 0,5. Если бы не перетряска старых контрактов - может быть, и прокатило бы (вон с Charmed средний рейтинг 2,5 распрекрасно прокатил). А поскольку срок контрактов истекает - не прокатило.
Да, наверное, Ведон чувствовал себя слишком уверенно и считал, что полностью держит ситуацию под контролем, что фаны скушают Спармони, а The WB продлит "Ангела" на шестой сезон, потому что... потому что иначе быть не может. Сержусь я на него из-за этого? Да, сержусь. Елена наверняка помнит, какие диатрибы в адрес Ведона я выдавала, когда протекли спойлеры Destiny. Но это все water under the bridge, а сегодня я готова делать все, что можно, в защиту "Ангела" - подписывать петиции ( уже подписала), слать e-mail'ы и прочее.
А что Ведон - манипулятор - согласна на все сто. Только что прочитала:
HIGH STAKES: Angel fans may be deeply divided as to whether or not a certain Slayer should play a part in the show's series finale in May, but exec producer Joss Whedon isn't: He wants Sarah Michelle Gellar back. "We'll put out some feelers [again] to see if there's some interest there," he told TV Guide Online in an interview last night. "We'd certainly love to have her." But Gellar nixed an earlier offer to guest-star on Angel this season and Whedon says he isn't "banking" on her changing her mind. Still, we have to ask: If the Chosen One were to reappear in the Buffyverse, which of her undead loves would she be returning for — Spike or Angel? "You think I'm going to tell you that? I'm not going to tell you that," Whedon says. "If she were to come back it would be to answer that question."
MORE HIGH STAKES: In other Angel news, rumors that the axed WB drama could follow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer's footsteps and put down stakes at rival network UPN are just that — rumors. "We've talked about the possibility," Whedon says, "but it's a longshot." A UPN spokeswoman had no comment, but an Angel insider confirms that execs at 20th Century Fox (Angel's producer) are putting together a proposal for UPN.
Конечно же, Ведон обращается к фанам, чтобы иметь за плечами поддержку. Конечно же, он нами манипулирует, нагнетая страсти - но ему нужно срочно получить много голосов в свою защиту, чтобы сказать - смотрите, какую фанбазу я к вам приведу, если захотите. И меня это совершенно не коробит. Я уже обдумываю, как буду писать на UPN, что шоу "Ангел" - это хорошо, а шоу "Спайк" - еще лучше.
я со всеми согласна, кроме мелочей, в которых кроется дьявол. Хотя здесь не тот случай - скорее, это несущественные комментарии.
Меня каждый раз изумляет слово "мучает" - само собой, автор должен "мучать" своих героев, иначе бы кина не было, и чужих негодований на эту тему я не разделяю и не понимаю.
Мои претензии к Ведону не в том, что он героев мучает, а в том, что он окружающих (актёров, фанатов, персонажей) не стесняется унижать.
То, что он сделал с персонажем Каризмы, расценить иначе, чем унижение, невозможно. То, что он сделал с персонажем Сары Мишель - тоже. Ангел в Chosen после Home... ну, жаль, что за обязанность играть в идиотских сценах актёры не могут требовать прибавки.
Его заэкранные комментарии о причинах снижения интереса к обоим сериалам, каковыми он считает поведение ведущих леди обоих шоу (А уж фраза "Я вами руководил, я и отвечу за всё" просто колом в горле стоит ) истребили во мне остатки уважения к нему.
Меня возмущает в Ведоне его желание "чтобы я всё мог (слэйергазм, спармони, куки-ду спич...), и мне бы за это ничего не было", его убеждение "если мне больше других дано, то мне больше других позволено". Нормальные человеческие заблуждения, за которые нормальный человек очень здорово огребает в процессе взросления. Моё глубокое убеждение заключается в том, что именно в этом-то процесс взросления и состоит.
Опять же, я не в претензии к Ведону, что он просит помощи у фанатов (актёров, спонсоров - кого угодно) - я в претензии за то, что он не хочет это сделать открыто, признав тем самым, что не только "они" ему чего-то должны, но и он, возможно, чем-то обязан "им" (зрителям, актёрам, персонажам. Меня злит то, что он резко похолодел к Марстерсу, когда Спайк стал серьёзным козырем в переговорах). Так, здесь выпущен большой кусок рассуждений - ибо скучно и уже многократно повторялось, состоит просто из примеров ведонова желания и рыбку съесть. Его поведение слишком совпадает с поведением Баффи, чего я ему никак не могу простить (не его поведения, конечно - баффиного).
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Несколько офф-топик - в каждой строчке приходится удерживаться от того, чтобы не сравнить его поведение с поведением Марстерса. Ну, дык к Марстерсу у меня и отношение другое - хотя ему тоже от него ни горячо, ни холодно.
Мои претензии к Ведону не в том, что он героев мучает, а в том, что он окружающих (актёров, фанатов, персонажей) не стесняется унижать.
Извини, но я не поняла. Давай по пунктам.
1. Унижение персонажей. Но это - составная часть их мучений. Разве мы бы сочувствовали Спайку, если бы все персонажи "Баффи" ему сочувствовали? Или под унижением ты имеешь в виду спаривание Спайка с Хармони и превращение Корди в злодейку? Согласна, Спармони - идиотская затея. Насчет Корди - это длинный разговор, ты ведь не случайно говоришь "персонаж Каризмы", а не "Корделия", потому что это ведь и не Корделия вовсе была. Рано или поздно все герои Джоссверса оказываются на "плохой" стороне - даже everyman Ксандер побывал когда-то в шкуре гиены.
"Что он сделал с персонажем Сары Мишель..." Да брось ты! Я тут недавно пересматривала второй сезон и освежила память - Баффи уже тогда проявлялась определенные склонности. Помнишь, как она пытала вампиршу, засунув ей в рот крест? Просто с годами склонность к садизму развивалась, поскольку жизненная ситуация способствовала. А если бы Баффи была идеальной героиней, кто бы стал смотреть сериал ее имени? Скучно.
"Ангел в Chosen после Home... " Да, согласна, этот кусок писался без вдохновения, "просто потому что нужно написать", но Ведону некуда было деться, потому как он хотел 5 сезон "Ангела", а его никак не соглашались запускать без Спайка, а ежели так, значит, нужно придумать, почему Спайк не с Баффи, но вместе с тем - чтобы и Ангел не мог быть с Баффи. Пространства для маневра у Ведона почти не было, крутился он как уж на горячей сковородке. Наверняка у него было уже давно придумано что-то другое, пришлось наспех все переделывать, а в такой ситуации особого настроения для творчества не бывает. Слава Богу, что он раньше работал сценарным доктором - вывернулся, профессионализм не подкачал. Хотя, скажу я тебе, "лечить" свой собственный сценарий, перелопачивать свои собственные идем гораздо труднее, чем обрабатывать чужой материал.
Конечно, он мог бы сказать: "К черту ваш пятый сезон! Я оставлю в Chosen все как есть и обойдусь без 5 сезона!" Но тогда ты бы сейчас не "сидела, балдела" (насколько я помню,ты именно так характеризовала свои впечатления от нынешних серий).
2. Унижение актеров. Что ты имеешь в виду - то, что он заставлял ДМ проходить через "эмоциональную мясорубку"? Или то, что не не говорил актерам, что ждет их персонажей?
Насчет "эмоциональной мясорубки" - sorry, но такова цена настоящего искусства. Вот Геллар играла исключительно на технике, и хорошо играла, она очень техничная актриса - и что? Пока ее окружали актеры, также игравшие на технике, или изображавшие себя в предлагаемых обстоятельствах - она блистала. Как только ее поставили рядом с ДМ и дали им драматургический материал одного уровня - она сразу же померкла.
То, что Ведон не сказал ДМ, зачем Спайк поехал в Африку - да, согласна, большая ошибка. Но отчасти могу понять Ведона: он хотел сделать сюрприз, а ДМ, как известно, большое трепло, и в те месяцы он постоянно ездил на конвенции - вполне мог проболтаться.
А с другой стороны, Ведон всегда шел навстречу ДМ (вся эта африканская эпопея возникла только потому что ДМ хотел сниматься в Стар Треке). И в "Ангеле" они были готовы высвободить ему окно для съемок в "Венецианской жаре".
Так что, извини, преднамеренного унижения не вижу, хотя ошибки - да, на мой взгляд, есть. Но ошибки совершают все. И что бы ни произошло между Ведоном и Геллар (не хочу говорить о том, чего не знаю), это все равно не пойдет ни в какое сравнение с тем, как, скажем, уходила из "Вавилона" Клаудия Кристиан. Я почти 15 лет слежу за событиями в мире шоу-бизнеса и мне есть с чем сравнивать. У Ведона гораздо меньше грехов, чем у других создателей шоу. Он сумел собрать вокруг себя талантливых и не склочных людей, и они работают в очень хорошей атмосфере.
3. Унижение фанатов. А вот это я вообще не поняла. Я знаю, что Фьюри один раз назвал поклонников Спайка "любительницами серийных убийц". Это было в 5 сезоне, на Bronze Beta. Но я не припомню, чтобы Ведон позволял себе что-нибудь подобное. Елена, если у тебя есть какая-то конкретная информация на этот счет - поделись, пожалуйста. Ты меня заинтриговала.
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Его заэкранные комментарии о причинах снижения интереса к обоим сериалам, каковыми он считает поведение ведущих леди обоих шоу (А уж фраза "Я вами руководил, я и отвечу за всё" просто колом в горле стоит ) истребили во мне остатки уважения к нему.
То же самое. Если можно - конкретные примеры. И вышеупомянутую фразу, если можно - в оригинале и с указанием источника. Извини за въедливость, но я довольно внимательно слежу за прессой и не понимаю, как могла пропустить такое.
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Опять же, я не в претензии к Ведону, что он просит помощи у фанатов (актёров, спонсоров - кого угодно) - я в претензии за то, что он не хочет это сделать открыто,
Открыто? Как это? "Дорогие фанаты! Я Джосс Ведон, обращаюсь к вам с просьбой слать письма и факсы и требовать, чтобы "Ангела" продлили на следующий сезон". Я не думаю, что это укрепило бы его позиции в мире шоу-бизнеса, поскольку подобное заявление стало бы прямой конфронтацией с телебоссами. У Ведона достаточно сильное "молчаливое взаимопонимание" с фанами, которые хорошо вычислили его желания еще после первого выступления на Bronze Beta, которое ты назвала "братья и сестры" (из чего следует, что ты тоже поняла его адекватно).
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признав тем самым, что не только "они" ему чего-то должны, но и он, возможно, чем-то обязан "им"
ИМХО, по отношению к фанатам он обязан только одно - снимать интересный сериал. А он это делает.
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Меня злит то, что он резко похолодел к Марстерсу, когда Спайк стал серьёзным козырем в переговорах
"Похолодел" - слишком емкое слово, предполагающее, что мы знаем, что Ведон чувствует на самом деле. Я не могу влезть в мозги чужого человека, поэтому не рискую оценивать ситуацию. Могу сказать только одно: в шоу-бизнесе порой опасно открыто демонстрировать свои привязанности и симпатии, потому что кое-кто может сыграть на этом и поиметь тебя по полной. Например: "Вы с Джеймсом друзья - пусть он по старой дружбе согласится сниматься по дешевке!" Но опять же - не знаю, не берусь судить.
мелочи нарастают и нарастают, и давать объяснения по каждой из них - это переплюнуть ПСС Ленина.
Привожу только один пример: "Насчет Корди - это длинный разговор, ты ведь не случайно говоришь "персонаж Каризмы", а не "Корделия", потому что это ведь и не Корделия вовсе была. Рано или поздно все герои Джоссверса оказываются на "плохой" стороне." Угу, только не каждый из них начинает ассоциироваться со словом "инцест". Именно это, а не Big Bad Cordy я бы назвала унижением и актрисы, и персонажа. Только не надо песен про то, что беременность Каризмы по-другому было не обыграть. Про западные сериалы точно не помню (т.е., знаю, что такие ситуации бывали, знаю, что кого-то снимали обычно сидя, живот заслоняя партнёром, например ), а в "Тайнах следствия" беременность главной героини обыграли исключительно мило, хотя создатели были жутко злы на актрису, так их подставившую (вроде она оказалась беременной ещё на пробах, и поставила их перед фактом, когда они уже не могли отыграть назад), а с точки зрения Елены Топильской беременный прокурор - это... ну, как беременный champion.
Относительно статей - посмотри примерно май прошлого года. Точнее не могу сказать, т.к. специально это не отслеживаю и не фиксирую, просто что-то западает в память. Если хочешь узнать об отзывах о Каризме - сходи на её сайт, думаю, там тебе пальцем покажут. Про СМГ - не знаю, где искать такие архивы.
Относительно того, что я балдею от того, что вижу на экране - я уже не раз говорила, что я балдею теперь не от самих серий, а от того, как хорошо они иллюстрируют мои любимые фанфики. Так что и по части "по отношению к фанатам он обязан только одно - снимать интересный сериал" у него довольно серьёзная проблема. ИМХО, ИМХО. Вон, у Хелен спроси про её интерес к "Баффи" в седьмом сезоне. Да, я помню, Ведон говорил (опять ссылки не приведу, уж извини, в своё время эти высказывания весьма бурно обсуждались, но не знаю, где искать следы этих высказываний), что он предпочтёт работать не для толпы, а для небольшой группы тех, кто его понимает. Пойми, ну лень мне в очередной раз выволакивать старые фанатские (не мои, кстати - ничего личного, хоть я и говорю "я, меня", это просто от нелюбви выражаться от имени всего народа ) обиды и удивления. Каждый может жить так, как ему хочется - если его не интересует результат. Его мечтания исполнились - от него больше не ждут, что его труды привлекут широкое внимание.
Понимаешь, спор-то начался с того, что я высказалась на тему, что и Джосс может перестать выделываться. Strenger мне за это припаяла "пинание лежачего". От этого и начал раскручиваться клубок "взаимных болей, бед и обид". Мне предлагается либо уважать человека за то, что есть экземпляры и похуже, или о Ведоне, как о покойнике, либо хвалить, либо молчать?
Я всё-таки оставляю за собой право уважать того, кто, как Джеймс Марстерс, этого, на мой взгляд, заслуживает, и не затрудняться поисками поводов уважать тех, на кого мне наплевать. И в первом, и во втором случае не помалкивая в тряпочку. Это - форум, на котором нельзя плохо относиться к ДМ, а не к ДВ (до тех пор, пока админ не поменяла правила. Вот сегодня приедет - узнаю, не поменяла ли )
Елена, согласна, мелочи нарастают (они всегда имеют такое обыкновение), ну извини, не могу не вякнуть снова (хотя по идее должна сидеть и переводить статью - но нет, руки чешутся...)
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Угу, только не каждый из них начинает ассоциироваться со словом "инцест". Именно это, а не Big Bad Cordy я бы назвала унижением и актрисы, и персонажа.
Эээ... значит ли это, что все актеры, игравшие царя Эдипа и Иокасту, были "унижены"? Равно как и персонажи, пережившие тысячелетия?
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Про западные сериалы точно не помню (т.е., знаю, что такие ситуации бывали, знаю, что кого-то снимали обычно сидя, живот заслоняя партнёром, например ), а в "Тайнах следствия" беременность главной героини обыграли исключительно мило, хотя создатели были жутко злы на актрису, так их подставившую (вроде она оказалась беременной ещё на пробах, и поставила их перед фактом, когда они уже не могли отыграть назад), а с точки зрения Елены Топильской беременный прокурор - это... ну, как беременный champion
Sorry, я не знаю, что такое "Тайны следствия", но сомневаюсь, что в этом сериале беременной актрисе нужно было (по первоначальной задумке сценаристов) сражаться врукопашную с вампиром-чемпионом.
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Относительно статей - посмотри примерно май прошлого года.
Читала все, что попадало в поле зрения Cross and Stake и Forums For Fans. И даже переводила. И не видела ничего такого, что выходило бы за рамки политкорректности.
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я балдею теперь не от самих серий, а от того, как хорошо они иллюстрируют мои любимые фанфики.
А вот это - здорово! Я еще не дошла до этой стадии, но близка. У меня пока Джоссверс и фанверс аналогичны "линии партии" и "линии диссидентов" в социалистическую эпоху. Я по-прежнему надеюсь на возвращение Баффи, но ее фанфиковские приключения волнуют меня гораздо сильнее. Ты шмыгаешь носом над Дженни, я над cousinjean.
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На закуску - виньеточка, которую я обнаружила на Cold Dead Seed. Это, конечно, слухи, основанные на других слухах, но все равно забавно sueworld2003 Over on another board that I frequent, which is a large Dr. Who forum (yes sadly I'm a fan of that aswell, I know I'm sad!) someones put up a thread saying they think James should be play the part of 'The Marster' in the new series of Dr.Who!
How sweet!
Nice thought, but I don't think they should hold their breath, even though I've heard the new producer/writer for the show (Russell T. Davies, who wrote the original series of Queer as Folk) is a huge Marsters fan. In fact I've read somewhere that he fancies the character of Spike something rotten!
"значит ли это, что все актеры, игравшие царя Эдипа и И
Рискну тебе напомнить разницу между актёром сериала и актёром театральным и (отчасти) киношным - согласно тому же Джеймсу Марстерсу: сериальный актёр - единственный из этой троицы, кто совершенно не представляет, что именно ему придётся играть. И уж редко когда театральному актёру достаётся играть "инцестный" персонаж в наказание за конфликт с Карабасом.
Относительно беременности - можно встроить в сюжет, можно попытаться скрыть, неважно. В конце концов, Каризма там совершала некие телодвижения, её беременность встроили в сюжет, просто сделали это... мерзко.
Что до информации - вау, у Марстерса есть фанаты и в среде профессионалов! Держу за него все пальцы в чернилах!!!
Насчет того, что не известно: да, но что поделать - таковы правила игры. Насчет "наказания" - ну никак не могу согласиться. Конфликт Карпентер и Ведона - следствие, а не причина. До 4 сезона у них все было хорошо. В 4 сезоне, из-за утиного джихада Корделию вырулили в злодейки. Если бы актриса не забеременела, обошлись бы "вариантом Уиллоу". С учетом ситуации - не обошлись. Понятное дело, актрисе было неприятно играть все это. Отсюда и конфликт.
В мае у меня сложилось впечатление (возможно, ошибочное), что Карпентер предложили перейти из основного состава в recurring, поскольку авторы не могли придумать ей место в новой структуре шоу и хотели попробовать "отмотать ее назад" и посмотреть, что получится (так, как они "отмотали" Спайка на 4 сезон "Баффи"). Но она отказалась, потому что устала от экспериментов. Думаю, какого-то по-настоящему склочного скандала не было, были трения, но не более того - иначе Карпентер вообще не вернулась бы, даже на 1 серию. ***** Интересный кусочек из December 2003 issue of Buffy Magazine Quote:
Jordan Levin, top programming executive at the WB network, has revealed that he's keen to broadcast any potential spin-off that Joss may be planning. "Oh, absolutely," Jordan told journalists at a recent press event. " Given our relationship, I would expect that unless there's something contractual [with another broadcaster], that we would have a conversation about it. I think the WB is where a show like that belongs. And, given what's happened elsewhere, I think Joss would like to have it here."
Я не знаю, какой там у них производственный цикл, но смею предположить, что интервью давалось в конце октября-начале ноября. Рейтинги тогда стабильно держались в районе трешки. Высказывание Левина - явно ответ на вопрос журналиста, а не его собственная инициатива. И все равно - товарищ знает, что спиноффа ждут и хотят...
"given what's happened elsewhere" - о чем это он, интересно?
Cancellation bites by Kevin Williamson Calgary Sun
And while it's hard to comprehend -- what with the current epidemic of creative dysentery called reality-TV -- that the small screen could get any worse, it took another small step towards a lousier place late last week with news that The WB network had staked the Buffy The Vampire Slayer spinoff, Angel, after five seasons.
There are many appalling ironies here -- not the least of which is that this smart, stylish entertainment gets nixed the same time the reality-romance genre's revolting answer to dwarf-tossing, The Littlest Groom, debuts.
But the worst of them all is that Angel, which took a few years to find its footing, is enjoying its best, most confident season to date.
Что реалити-шоу - это "эпидемия творческого поноса" - это точно!
Насколько мне известно, Каризме Карпентер доктор запретил (буквально - информация от кого-то из близких семьи на форуме её сайта) вступать в обмен пререканиями, когда Джосс начал её трепать в прессе и в Сети. По мнению посетителей форума, это решение было правильным, т.к. с каждым новым безответным выступлением Джосс всё больше и больше выглядел, как задница (это мой дословный перевод ) Поэтому я тебе и говорю - хочешь, чтобы тебе указали пальцем на высказывания Джосса, спроси на том сайте. Там их помнят, похоже, куда лучше, чем я.
Почему вернулась - мы же не знаем, во сколько это возвращение обошлось компании, да и фанаты уверены , что Каризма - не тот человек, который бросит свой персонаж навеки в коме.
Ой, забыла (вернее, поленилась) процитировать ещё одну ассоциативную фразу, которая возникла, когда ты говорила о том, как Баффи пытала вампиршу (кстати, ничего ужасного в этом я не вижу - ужасное я вижу в том, что, спроси её об этом в седьмом - а то и в четвёртом - сезоне, она бы категорически отрицала свою вовлечённость в это ). Дело в том, что ещё одна причина, по которой я злюсь на Ведона - это то, что я не могу пересматривать первые сезоны, я всё время говорю себе (я дошла, дошла до фразы ) - "теперь-то ясно, что это были ранние симптомы" (c) newkate.
Не хотела (как, наверное, заметили уже выше) вообще больше продолжать эту действительно бесполезную дискуссию - но раз (невольно) втянула в нее Васкез (спасибо, кстати, за поддержку), все же вякну напоследок.
Да, примерно так. И примерно по этим самым причинам. Потому что положение Видона сейчас, хоть, к счастью, и не аналогично реальной смерти (тьфу-тьфу-тьфу), но в смысле работы и шансов... скажем так, 'This is the end for Joss' и 'is ME finished now?' на сегодняшний день достаточно распространенные и популярные топики как на Юзенете, так и на немалом количестве прочих форумов. (И почему-то даже самые ярые его ненавистники там этому не радуются, хоть он больше вроде и не производит массово-востребованную продукцию). *Поэтому* - а ни по чему другому - я и нахожу, что любить его или ненавидеть, а заниматься обличениями, когда его и без того добивают (особенно *побывав* заинтересованным зрителем)... впрочем, я это уже говорила.
Так что в последний раз: ну не отказываю я никому в праве не уважать Джосса, отрицать его авторские заслуги, быть на него в ярости и не огорчаться по поводу его (на сегодняшний день) изгнания с ТВ. Не отказываю уже потому что сама надеюсь сохранить право не принимать всерьез "ОБС" на форумах об отношениях Видона с Каризмой или слухи от непоименованных членов ее семьи - и на солидарность с Васкез насчет уровня "скандальности" его выступлений в прессе. Каждый, право, имеет право, как пели в одном старом телефильме. И на этом форуме, действительно, это не запрещено. Я только высказала мнение (снова и снова - свое собственное - это, кажется, тоже здесь разрешено) насчет того, как это демонстративное неуважение и нелюбовь *выглядят* в сложившихся обстоятельствах.
И это не я, а вышесказанные обстоятельства "припаяли" этой самой демонстративности статус пинков лежачего. (А то можно подумать, что я взяла и отменила "Светляка" и "Ангела" в целях создания обстановки, в которой Джосса стало бы не очень красиво поносить). Я-то триста раз предпочла бы, чтобы и обе эти серии, и - с моим-то безнадежным вкусом чего еще ожидать - "Баффи" продолжались и посейчас, и еще не один сезон. Даже на условиях регулярных проклятий Видону хоть в Сети, хоть в эфире, в primetime ...
А вот теперь я уже действительно постараюсь замолчать. И никого больше в эту дискуссию не "провоцировать".
и я приползу назад, со словами "I think we got punished."
"слухи от непоименованных членов ее семьи" Тогда, наверное, остаётся один вариант - Каризма не излагала свою версию событий из-за неприязни к публичным склокам. Приятно знать, что в этом случае Ведон выглядит куда как лучше.
ANGEL UPDATE: Angel may be dead, but the show's fans sure aren't. Less than a week after the WB drove a stake through the Buffy spinoff, more than 45,000 Angel addicts have signed an online petition at PetitionOnline.com to keep the toothy drama alive. Campaigns to save the show are also being organized at numerous fan sites, including SupportAngel.org. But does any of this really matter? "It [helped] Roswell," says a WB rep. "It was as good as gone and the big fan campaign brought it back." In other words, the ball's in your court UPN.
Сайт http://www.savingangel.org/ открылся. Советую заглянуть. Ну-c господа, кампания началась. До 27 февраля открытки шлются на UPN
UPN Dawn Ostroff, UPN Entertainment President United Paramount Network 11800 Wilshire Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90025
Я собираюсь завтра отправить открытку следующего содержания:
Ms. Ostroff,
As a Russian "Angel" fan I can't influence the Nielsen ratings, but I can assure you that this show would significantly raise your profile all around the world. It's in your best interests to pick up "Angel" for the 6th season.
И открыточку какую-нибудь с Кремлем выбрать. Конечно, текст здесь совершенно не важен, открытки наверняка будут оценивать на вес...
Angel 14 33% Everybody Loves Raymond 7 16% Frasier 2 4% Friends 9 21% Sex and the City 10 23%
Примем участие?
А чтобы немножко поднять настроение, предлагаю конкурс на самое оскорбительное ругательство в адрес The WB, которое вы либо видели в Сети, либо придумали сами.
Для почина - название текущей общеспойлерной ветки на Спарклях:
GD #41-The last title was an insult to @#%$ eating cumrags
Да, до "говноедских кончальных тряпок" я бы не додумалась...
т.к., если мою не дай Бог заметят, мне бы не хотелось, чтобы твбоссы имели возможность задумать, откуда в России знают о сериале, который туда не продавали.
Знаешь, я глубоко убеждена, что читать их никто не будет... Важно, чтобы, как написал кто-то где-то, чтобы большой начальник не мог войти в свой кабинет из-за горы открыток перед входом...
Елена, даже если телебоссы и задумаются над тем, откуда в России мог появится "Ангел", что с того? Отмазка может быть проста, как дважды два. Я ведь тоже открытку из России посылать буду, что не помешало мне шестой сезон "Би" (в России также не демонстрируемый) смотреть вполне официально. В Германии . Откуда им знать, может, ты где-нибудь в Америке какое-то время жила.
It's been a rough week for TV fans. As if the end of Sex and the City weren't tragic enough, Angel is leaving us, too.
The cancellation came as a surprise to everyone--at least that's what I choose to believe. As those of you who read my chat transcript already know, I checked in with the flacks-that-be after hearing rumors last week and was assured the show had not been axed. And these network and studio reps have never led me astray before.
А это - с ASSB
In the latest Entertainment Weekly, under "What to Watch" for Wednesday (keep in mind that they very rarely give Angel a mention, and ALL the reviews they give are snarky):
9-10pm Angel (The WB, TV-14-V) It's canceled. You're bummed. And a letter-writing campaign is no doubt already underway. But at least we get this episode written and directed by Joss Whedon.
И оттуда же...
Stupid Questions this week with... Alyson Hannigan
She played a sapphically inclined witch on TV's Buffy the Vampire Slayer and a sexually curious flutist in the American Pie movies. Next week, you can spot Alyson Hannigan as a cop-in-training on a two-episode guest stint on Fox's That '70s Show (airing in February). We caught up with her in London, where she can currently be seen with Luke Perry in a stage production of When Harry Met Sally. Read below to see what happened When Alyson Met a Bunch of Really Stupid Questions. --Scott Brown and Adam B. Vary
You will soon appear on That '70s Show. We haven't watched that show in ages. What the hell is happening on it? Is it still in the '70s? Ah, yes, I don't know what year it is, but definitely in the '70s. Could be late '70s.
You costar with Ashton Kutcher. Who's getting punk'd in this scenario? Actually, I really was convinced the only reason I was going to be on the show was for some sort of elaborate punk. I was watching my back. If anything weird happened, I was looking for hidden cameras.
How is faking an orgasm with Jason Biggs different than faking one with Luke Perry? Is the 91210 theme running through your head? [Laughs] Uh, no, but it will be now--thank you very much for that lovely visual. Well, I guess the orgasm with Luke is a lot bigger, and I have to do it more. I have to do it every day. Sometimes twice. Twice on Thursdays and Saturdays.
You're married to Alexis Denisof, a regular on Angel. So you pretty much have to guest-star or sleep on the couch, right? [Laughs] Well that would be nice, although it's really not up to him. I'm hoping that they can just shoot Angel over here. I think Wesley needs to go back to the Watcher's Council over in England.
Do you sing "Surrey With the Fringe on Top" as well as Meg Ryan did? Um. Not yet. Maybe I should try to make people's ears bleed. Why not? I'll try it on one night. See, that's the great thing about theater. That one night, I could try to go for the bleeding ears, and then the next night I could go for... opera!
You were in that lesbian magazine, FHN. Did you worry that the lesbians were exploiting you? [With great fake enthusiasm] That's why I did it! Ha ha ha--huh? That's not so good. Oh, dear. I'm sorry, I missed that joke. It's probably the time difference. Ohhh, I feel dumb. This joke's not working out.
Uh, never mind. So, do you find it suspicious that Buffy co-star Anthony Stewart Head became Anthony Head when he went back to England? What happened to Stewart? Was Stewart jettisoned over the North Atlantic? I think it got lost in his luggage.
We suspect witches and lesbians You cracked it. That's probably it, but I suspect it's got something to do with the Screen Actors Guild
Ага, обещала, сейчас займусь - тут я ничего трогать не буду, просто все, что касается аннуляции - в отдельный раздел на неспойлерной ветке перекопирую )
Васкес, спасибо за ссылочки ) Ты нашла на MTS? Там Made to Love писала, у нее, кажется, знакомства в съемочной группе
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From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i...> Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:46 pm Subject: [Bloody_Awful] Highlights from W&H -- convo with David Fury!
Hey, all.
After our fairly noneventful message of last night, I have more to report from tonight's party.
Practically the first guest to show up was David Fury, and among the very first to speak to him were Helen, undead, and myself from BAPS and Lisa and bubonic from Sparklies. Bubonic challenged him almost immediately on the subject of our favorite vampire, and how he's been written this year. Fury indicated he was aware of the criticism and he understood that Spike was in a different place at the end of last season with Buffy, but that sweet, sensitive Spike, though very likeable, would quickly become a very boring character to write. He said he loved Spike with attitude, and that the other issue was that Angel and Spike fall back into old patterns when they come together. I will have more on this when it is not 12:30 at night in LA and 3:30 in the morning in my usual time zone, but here are the highlights, mostly direct (or close to direct) quotes. I am hoping to have more complete quotes either tomorrow or, more likely, after I get home.
1. Spike is NOT evil -- he is a good guy. He is -- and this is a direct quote -- "morally superior" to Angel. (!)
2. (Again, close to a direct quote Spike and Angel is the true love story of this season.
3. Spike/Harmony sex in Destiny was Joss' idea. Fury tried to argue against it (*would Spike really do this?*), but Joss insisted that Spike needed a "release" -- it had nothing to do with Buffy. He also said that they wanted it to come across differently than it did, but James is too good at doing sex scenes (he said it a bit differently than that, but that's close, I think).
4. Jeff Bell is writing the finale (Joss is off writing the Firefly movie). DeKnight is most likely writing 20, possibly with DrewGod again. Fury is most likely doing ep 21.
5. The finale is NOT being changed significantly, if at all. Fury said the ending they had already planned as the season finale also worked quite well as a series finale. Didn't sound like Sarah is returning. Fury commented that the only campaign he'd heard of on the Internet concerning the finale was the one where Spike and Buffy end up together. <g> Some girls then started shouting *Angel and Buffy*. At which point Fury went into this very sarcastic riff about how the *real ending* was going to be that Spike dies, Buffy returns, and she and Angel ride off into the sunset together. Which means, that the one thing we can be sure of, imo, is that the show is NOT going to end that way!
6. Fury and DeKnight had a big fight over Destiny. Seems DeKnight wrote it that Angel won the fight. Fury told him that Spike had to win the fight. DeKnight protested that he'd already written it, and Angel won. Fury told him to rewrite it -- that Spike had to win. The episode was all about how Angel had made Spike what he was and how Spike had been put upon all those years, and Spike had to win. At which point, a very cross DeKnight (and this part comes from a later conversation with DeKnight, not from Fury), apparently yelled at Fury *Write it yourself!*
7. Later in the evening, Lisa asked him to please stop writing Spike as being stupid in all his episodes. Fury was very confused, and said when did he write Spike as stupid. Lisa (and I) commented that someone says he's stupid in every episode. He again asked for examples. I said last week in the puppet ep -- he pointed out he didn't write that one. :-) He then added that "Spike isn't stupid. Angel calls him stupid, but that's just because he's jealous of him." (And that is a direct quote.)
8. I suggested at one point that they sell Angel puppets to pay for a season six. Fury laughed and liked that idea. :-) He also told undead that he was indeed the guy under the towel in Smile Time.
Anyway, that's it on the Fury front, which was quite enjoyable, amazingly enough. He was at his most charming. :-)
Also present: DeKnight, Jeff Bell, Drew Goddard, Tim Minear, Julie Benz, Sarah Thompson, Jonathan Woodward, Andy Hallett, *Gru* (I forget the actor's name), and several demons (the demon on a leash; Skip, and one other). Also the guy who played Prince of Lies/Gnarl -- Camden Toy.
I was able to get copies of a couple of scripts at the auction, so will have reports on anything of interest in those in the next few days. The by far biggest price of anything in the auction was the amulet, which went for $7,500! The next highest item was one of DB's jackets, which went for *only* $1,600.
Anyway, it turned out to be an enjoyable evening, despite the absence of many of the *big names*. And it was actually fun talking Spike with Fury -- who'd a thunk it?
Laurie
Похоже, в ближайшее время будут еще отчеты. Уж Бубоник наверняка отчитается...
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i...> Date: Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:36 am Subject: [Bloody_Awful] A few more comments from last night
Morning, all! (Though I realize it's afternoon at home. :-) )
A few more things I didn't mention last night.
I did speak to Fury about the campaign to save Angel. He sounded very appreciative, but didn't seem to think there was much chance of success. Otoh, someone else spoke to Jeff Bell, and I'm told he wasn't quite as pessimistic (though I didn't speak to Bell about it myself and I should have <kicks self>).
Someone suggested that they all write a reality show about themselves, the writers, somewhat along the lines of what we have sometimes jokingly discussed on BAPS (Mutant Enemy, the series). Goddard and DeK, to whom these comments were addressed, thought this sounded hilarious, and thought the idea of all of them living in the same house, with Fury, would be hysterical.
DeKnight complimented James for totally nailing Damage and carrying the writers on his back. He also complimented Tom Lenk for his excellent performance at the end of Damage, when he stood up to Angel and gave us the non-comic Andrew, for once.
And one more thing I remembered from my conversation with Fury. He commented about the brotherly vibe between Spike and Angel, and that he loved the bit in You're Welcome where Angel and Spike have been squabbling, but then Angel is going to confront Lindsey and Spike insists on going with him. To Fury, that summed up their relationship in a nutshell: two brothers, who fight between themselves like crazy, but when the chips are down, there is no one either would rather have guarding his back than the other. (This led into the comments I mentioned earlier about Spike and Angel being the love story of the season.)
If anyone has any questions about the Soul Purpose or You're Welcome scripts, please ask. I will say that the scene at the beginning of You're Welcome that so annoyed some of us where Spike is pounding on the television and generally acting like a three year old was much more subdued. In the script, Spike yells something about the *stupid plumber* and throws his beer can at the screen, and that's the extent of it.
There's also an interesting scene between Wes and Angel in the car on the way to Cordelia's hospital that I don't remember, but which seems to foreshadow the ending.
Oh, and not that I think any of us doubted it, but it's quite clear in the script that Spike pulled back from biting Cordy before Angel tackled him.
А? Э? Мя? Ква? Объясните, пожалуйста, что под этим подразумевается, иначе бобёр в Питере дышать разучится. Может, они всё-таки хотят сказать, что каждому полагается отдельная love story???
Несколькими минутами позже - проверила на спарклях (вроде там люди знают тонкости английского языка получше меня), слэшеры эту фразу обсасывают и предлагают сделать её названием следующей нити.
Спокойно, love story - это наша очередная метафора, мол, в каждом сезоне должна быть линия развития каких-то отношений, обычно берут мужчина/женщина, так легче зрителя привлечь, а у нас Ангел и Спайк, но, думаю, не в слэшерском контексте, а в контексте вообще развития их отношений.. хм
Меня больше волнует другое - я тоже в 12-й не видела никакой сцены с Уэсом и Ангелом в машине - где сцена, кто скушал???
"Спокойно, Ипполит, спокойно!" Думаю, имеется в виду история братской любви, и ничего более. Буч и Санденс. Тем более что между теми товарищами тоже дэвушка была - и ничего, это не мешало им быть вместе втроем.
Особенно если не объяснять, с какой стати им друг к другу её питать. Два мужика, какую-то (достаточно недолгую) часть своей жизни деливших крышу над головой и девицу, оказываются просто обуреваемы братской любовью спустя лет этак сто. Или авторы хотят сказать, что их отношения похожи на отношения двух братьев? Воля ихняя, но на мой взгляд, на отношения любовников, влюблённых это похоже куда больше. Кто-то мне недавно сказал, что Спайк по отношению к Ангелу ведёт себя так же, как вёл себя по отношению к Баффи сезоне этак в пятом.
И нет, не стоит на мой пост обращать внимания - это просто упоминания о братской любви на меня так действуют - рефлекс.
[> [> [> have you noticed that the original trailer on the WB site -- Simon, 15:06:22 02/22/04 Sun (cache3-blfs.server.ntli.net/62.254.32.6)
has been replaced? No Spike and Angel holding hands. No mention in the trailer that it's written and directed by Joss. То ли они решили, что трейлер выглядит слишком по-слэшерски, то ли им просто захотелось испортить Ведону всю малину
Насчет Фьюри: He chuckled about some of the internet rumors about what happened with the cancelation. Here is what he said REALLY happened. Joss went to Levin and basically said... look, don't leave us hanging until after we wrap the season this time. If you're cancelling us, tell us so everybody can find other work. If not, tell us so we can start working out next season. Levin agreed that he was right, they deserved to know one way or the other, since they'd been around for so long, they deserved that. The next day, they were told that they were canceled. They were NOT expecting that. Jaws dropped. He said that they were all shocked, especially after all the recent good press. So... that's it, that's how it happened.
The show isn't going to be saved, no matter what campaigns pop up (not that the campaigns aren't appreciated). Contrary to popular belief, Angel is one of the cheapest dramas on network t.v., despite the production value and effects. They do a lot with a little. However, the cancellation is still a money issue - a drama is more expensive than a reality show or a sitcom. Cable channels and the "netlets" really can't afford to take it on. The major networks and HBO and their ilk won't either. They might have had a shot with an HBO if the show was only two or three years old, but after five seasons? Won't happen.
A lot of people are sending in postcards saying "Don't have Buffy end up with Angel" or "Don't have Buffy end up with Spike." These people are wasting their money. This issue will not be resolved. "Sarah is not gonna appear on the show," and even if she did, they wouldn't resolve it.
He doesn't know what he'll do after Angel wraps - take some time off, probably, and then maybe write a movie or come up with a new television show. Or, he'll work for some "crappy" show that's on now.
Краткий отчет Бубоник
bubonicplague1348 Laurie pretty much covered the conversation with Fury. He's a great guy, and really willing to listen. He's interested in what the fans have to say. I held my hand out to him and said that I just wanted to let him know that he manages to piss me off more than any other writer, and he took it in the good humor with which the statement was intended. He actually asked what it was about Spike's characterization that bothered me, and I spoke of my problem with the regression after season 7 of BtVS. He was very enthusiastic about the character and said that the problem with it was that Spike would be too boring, as Laurie reported. Yes, he did say that Spike was morally superior to Angel, but qualified that by indicating that Spike was a better person when he was human, and that Angelus' influence on him was corruptive. He adores the Spike/Angel relationship, and spoke about their brotherly vibe and "love story" (giggles ensued). The impression I got from the Sparm sex comment (you know, the "hammer" thing) was that the scene could have been sexier, but JM just went to town with the pounding. It was a lighthearted comment.
I got to meet my man SDK, yay! He's so leetle. He and Goddard are really proud of "Damage", and praised JM to the skies for his acting in that, as well as Tom Lenk. (Goddard says he'll look for any excuse to put Tom in an episode.) SDK wrote the first half and Goddard the second. Yeah, they did seem to enjoy making Fury jokes, and SDK did mention the "fight" about "Destiny" ("Write it your @#%$ self!" was what he said, I think.)
They all seemed very impressed, though not hopeful, regarding the campaign. You could tell they really appreciate it. You know, I think it's beneficial even if the show doesn't get picked up, because itlets people know that these writers and actors are in demand.
ТV Guide дипломатичен: все резкие слова достались читателям, Мэтт Руш комментирует очень сдержанно. Но отзыв, который он выбрал для комментария, говорит за себя сам. http://www.tvguide.com/tv/roush/askmatt/
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Due to the volume of questions received, Matt cannot answer all questions or reply via personal email. Angel Question: I'm pretty much in shock. I can't believe that any executive with an ounce of intelligence or creative energy left in their body would agree to a decision like canceling Angel. It has been a solid series with an obsessively loyal fan base for almost five years. It is just beginning to reach its full potential. This has been the most consistent of all the seasons of Angel — and my absolute favorite. Every episode has been meticulously crafted, perfectly blending humor and horror. The characters and stories are the most exciting they have ever been. This season has been a testimony to what television can be if the writing and acting are carefully executed. Angel will never be the show that hordes of morons can turn on when they want to avoid using their brains. Nor should it be. Entire networks were created for those folks. The WB insists upon destroying one of the most challenging, inspired and original hours of TV because it's not mainstream idiocy that people clamor for. What makes the show better than great are its unique characters, epic story lines and truths about redemption, loss, purpose, love, and good and evil. Quality programming like this can not be replicated.
If the WB does in fact end up throwing away one of the finest programs left on TV for another one of their disgusting teen soap operas (i.e. Hormones on Parade), featuring annoyingly pretty people (talentless eye candy) with problems like hair and boys and school and parents who don't understand them, then I quit. I am giving up on network TV completely. I will watch FX for Nip/Tuck, wait for good DVD box sets, and keep my ear to the ground for the next Joss Whedon series, but I can't take any more of this frustration. I feel like I'm stuck in some TV Land-hell dimension where the really original, smart shows are promptly canceled (only after flaunting what we'll be missing), yet the hackneyed, brainless crap is renewed every year and shoved in our faces. And it makes me really sick. Obviously. — Lea
Matt: Readers of this column will not be surprised to learn that my e-mailbag was bursting with literally scores of similar cries of outrage, frustration and sadness over WB's cancellation of Angel (along with a few "told ya so's" from ex-fans who still can't get over the death of Cordelia or who resent Spike or whatever). I appreciate everyone's genuine venting and wish I had the space to share more of these anguished letters. Without question, though, the most common response was: Why????
I wish I had a good answer. WB's argument for canceling Angel has something to do with the network's nebulous future and its need to free up time periods to give a shot to newer series, since so many of its franchises are aging: 7th Heaven, which has one more season to go; Charmed, which many Angel fans are chagrined is getting the renewal Angel was denied; and even Gilmore Girls, which hasn't been the same since Rory left for college. But given WB's post-Smallville track record at developing genre shows (Birds of Prey, Tarzan), I am honestly puzzled why Angel was put on the chopping block right now, before even seeing how the projected Dark Shadows remake (which I'm actually looking forward to) turns out. And if Angel has indeed been sacrificed at the altar of reality TV, a genre WB has been relatively slow to embrace, especially considering its target audience, then that is beyond sad. It's tragic.
I got a number of letters mentioning fan campaigns such as Support Angel and Petition Online's Save Angel. Can't say how much they'll help, but what could it hurt?
Among the many oft-repeated questions: Could UPN pick it up? Will Sarah Michelle Gellar return for the finale? All too early to tell at this point. As for WB floating the option of making a series of TV-movies to continue the franchise, I hope they're serious. There's so much potential, especially if it's possible to combine the Angel and Buffy worlds at some point. That would be the upside to an otherwise very dismaying situation.
Одним словом, Энджелу 6 сезона не быть. Не думаю, что все фанатские письма в защиту шоу смогут исправить положение. Если уж Уорнеры не хотят выкладывать деньги, то никакие кампании в поддержку шоу не сработают. Грустно...
Я тоже думаю, что преждевременно, да и кампании, в основном, направлены на то, чтобы другой канал подхватил шоу, насколько я понимаю ситуацию... Но тяжко все равно!
Елена, если говорить честно - то - да, шансов мало. Насколько я понимаю, Fox, как держатель лицензии, сейчас выставляет товар на рынок. Вряд ли они запустят шоу у себя на канале - у Ведона было там достаточно неприятностей со "Светляком", отношения наверняка натянутые - он даже кино собирается делать не у них, а на Universal. Кто остается? UPN потеряла много денег на "Баффи", они сильно обожглись и вряд ли захотят связываться снова. TNT -- не знаю, не уверена, что их заинтересует жанровый сериал. Проблема в том, что покупатель все равно покупает только "право первой ночи" - франшиза остается у Fox доходы от DVD, календарей, плакатов и проч. стригут они.
Но все равно стоит побороться. Как говаривал сама-знаешь-кто "Fella's gotta try, though. Gotta do what he can." (510 Into the Woods)
David Fury, executive producer of The WB's canceled vampire series Angel, told SCI FI Wire that he was doubtful the show will migrate to UPN next year, though he confirmed that talks are underway. "There were and are conversations going on with UPN," Fury said in an interview at the Wolfram & Hart Annual Revue fan charity ball on Feb. 21.
Fury added, "But in all likelihood they don't have the financial wherewithal to continue the series. It's less expensive than Buffy was for them, but trying to bring a show that's ... going to be going into its sixth season, it's not really financially responsible for them to pick up a show that doesn't really have much of a future beyond one more season." UPN picked up two more seasons of Angel's predecessor series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, after The WB canceled it.
Fury added that he wasn't optimistic about future Angel movies of the week, which The WB has held out as a possible continuing venue for the show's mythology. "I think there's some time [that] would have to pass before we'd seriously start considering it," Fury said. Angel co-creator Joss Whedon will soon be heavily involved in a proposed feature film based on his canceled SF western series Firefly, Fury added. "Joss' response to that offer was, 'Who's going to make [an Angel movie] for you?' Because he's going to be off doing a motion picture, Firefly, and he'll be consumed with that for some time. And presumably everybody else on the show will have moved on to other projects, although we'd love to continue to work together, and we will try to, I'm sure, in our various capacities. But as far as the movies go, I don't expect you'll hear anything announced about that for another year. And by that time, again, everybody will have moved on, actors and writers. And it just may be a hard thing to actually realize."
As for Angel's series-ending story arc, Fury said, he doubted that Buffy star Sarah Michelle Gellar will be making a guest appearance. "Well, that's entirely up to Sarah, and frankly, I think she's out of the country [in Japan] doing a movie [The Grudge], ... so I'm very doubtful that she's going to be able to come back. And the problem with her coming back anyway is that it sort of invites closure for Spike and/or Angel, which I'm not sure we ever want to do. I think it's better never to quite know. ... Whatever it is, it's not going to be satisfying to somebody. So I think I prefer the idea that both men are still holding out hope and maybe it's something for an Angel movie someday, or a Buffy movie." Angel airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. ET/PT.
The Cinescape, Fireflyfans and Fireflymovie website all have discovered signs of life in a Firefly movie at Universal Pictures which Joss Whedon has already written the script for.
The studio has quietly added 'Serenity' to the Coming Soon section on the its official website, which is the working title for the film and the name of the crew's vessel. The studio has also already registered the Serenitymovie.com domain name.
The first meeting on the film apparently took place the second week of February and they are targeting a May production start for the big screen version.
Меня просто удивило, откуда у СанАнн такое категоричное знание, когда ещё не все возможные каналы сказали определённо "нет".
А что за прикол с тем, что UPN подобрало "Баффи" после того, как WB от него отказалось? Сколько я помню, это было больше похоже на то, что UPN увело его из-под носа WB - и WB тогда надулись. UPN дали 2,3 млн. за серию против WB'ский 1,8, причём делали они это, заранее сознавая, что не окупят эти деньги. Им это было нужно из каких-то других соображений - раскрутки, что ли.
Дня три тому назад Эдди на Спарклях выкопал интересные статьи за 2001 год о переходе "Баффи" с канала на канал. Я перенесла их к нам в ветку, которую Геро категорично назвала "Пятый сезон "Ангела" последний". Почитай их у нас или найди на Спарклях (кстати, я похихикала тем над твоей фразочкой насчет cookie dough). Если коротко по поводу статей - то дела были еще хуже, чем я думала. Проблема, похоже, упиралается не столько в актерские контракты, сколько в стоимость лицензии, которую держит Fox. Об этом вскользь упоминал USA Today, когда писал насчет "совместной собственности", а в статьях, найденных Эдди, все расписано очень подробно. Собственно говоря, выход есть очень простой - снимать на Fox, но, похоже, у Ведона там не слишком хорошие отношения с начальством после "Светляка" (недаром же он ушел с киноверсией на Universal).
Ладно, чего там о грустном. Немного новостей:
Отчет "Утки" Люсинды:
Okay. So I was in the same crowd surrounding Fury. I had actually forgotten (forgive me!) that Ruth WAS with me. So was Deb. So there were at least 3 B/Aers in the group. Bubonic and Lisa from Sparklies were also there.
We started off talking about the puppet episode. I mentioned that I loved it but was disappointed that he didn't sing. He reminded me that he did sing...."Courage and pluck, courage and pluck"....he said he came up with the tune himself. *g*
I never heard one mention of any campaign aside from the save Angel campaign. So IF he said he was aware of a Spuffy campaign, he said it later. Lisa mentioned the save Angel campaign, showed him the flyers, talked about the progress. I showed him my "Save Angel" button and asked him if he thought there was any chance of the show getting renewed, and he not only didn't think the chances were good, he was of the opinion that no show should go longer than 5 years anyway. He was very candid about it all...not wanting the fans to waste their hard earned money, but understanding and appreciating the need to do something.
Somebody mentioned selling Muppet Angel and he said that that might actually save the show....
When I talked to him later, he mentioned the ads that fans had done, he was very touched about it all...and he IS and WAS aware of the B/A ads as well. And that was his word..ads-plural. He also mentioned the ads placed in the 100th ep edition of HR. He loves that kind of fan loyalty.
He did mock the anti-campaigns, calling them a waste of time and money...far cry from the good campaigns....
Bubonic was HILARIOUS! She went right up to him, smiled, shook his hand and said that no other writer ever pissed her off as much as he did. LMAO! He seemed to really like that. He said, "Good! Thank you...so are YOU the one sending me hate mail?" I was rolling. He then seemed genuinely interested in knowing what, specifically, she hated about how he wrote Spike...which led to a long and actually very interesting debate about Spike pre AtS season 5 and Spike now.
Basically, Bub thinks they regressed Spike back to season 4. And Fury agreed to an extent. He said that he preferred the snarky, kick-ass Spike who didn't take crap from anyone. A lot of us agreed on that point. He also said that too much schmoopy Spike was boring. We also agreed. He also mentioned that the danger in making Spike too sweet or nice was to make the mistake of making him the new St. Cordy (again, his words on the Saintly one)...at which point Deb launched into a St. Cordy diatribe. It's a hot button issue for her. Fury then said he could only do one argument at a time.
I had to let Fury know that I hated Spike in season 6 and 7 of Buffy, but that they were making me like him again in season 5 of AtS....didn't want him to get the false impression that everyone dislikes this Spike characterization.
He talked about Destiny and how Spike had to win the fight with Angel because he'd felt so "put upon" by Angelus all those years. He said that WILLIAM was "morally superior" to LIAM....NOT that Spike was morally superior over Angel. So get that out of your minds. Someone was really misconstruing what he was saying there....
He DID say that Spike would die in the finale and it would end with a Buffy/Angel kiss...and YES, he was JOKING...he's Fury, he does that. And it's not likely he'd tell us what was going to happen for heaven's sake. However, FURY brought up B/A, it was NOT brought up by the B/Aers in the group in any way, shape or form. He also didn't mention B/S so take that for what it is. And when he mentioned the B/A ending, of COURSE the B/Aers in the group cheered. It was fun. *g* And it was nice to see other B/Aers there as well. But I did tell him that I was going to run to the board and tell everyone on the net that he said Buffy and Angel would end up together. He and I both had a good laugh over that. It's even funnier when you think of who actually ran to the board with misinterpreted comments...
Fury said that Angel and Spike were the "love story" of the season...and someone commented that that would get the slashers going...that's when he said the real ending would be an Angel/Spike kiss. It was funny, but also kinda squicky...not into slash here people.
He also said the same thing about probably not resolving the A/B/S thing because he couldn't say that SMG would even come back....but again, nothing new there. Hell, nothing even concrete. "Probably" isn't a strong statement, after all. Seriously, what else can he say? If it was gonna end B/A would he tell us that at a party? Hardly. So nobody anywhere can draw any real conclusions on the status of B/A or B/S. No matter what they prefer to believe.
He talked about the Sparmony sex, once again confirming that it was Joss' idea so they put in in there. Which is really funny when you think of all the people who said that Joss should come back to fix that or take it out cause Joss would hate it cause he loves and respects Spuffy. Umm...okay.
Basically, Joss felt Spike needed a release. So he said, Sparmony sex. Fury then said the scene could have been shot differently but that James basically said he was "going to hammer her"....that he's very good at being the jack-hammer. Ewwwww.
Okay, moving on to Bell...cause he was easy. I didn't speak to him as much. No real reason, but he's not as personable and outgoing as Fury. Still very nice though.
When I first came up to him, he was with 3 other people, including Camden Toy. They were talking about a new project for Camden if I recall correctly. Then talk turned to The Prince of Lies, which Camden played in "Why We Fight"...this led to a talk about how it's NEVER a bad idea to have Angel in a black turtleneck and any opportunity to do so was good. I chimed in that Angel in a black turtleneck was HOT as HELL...and that if we couldn't get him shirtless, a black turtleneck was the next best thing. *g*
Another woman mentioned that WESLEY in a black turtleneck was even better....and I agreed that Wesley would also look hot in a black turtleneck, but I still preferred Angel. We had a mini-convo about the virtures of Angel and Wesley naked and in black turtlenecks. Lol..
It was at this point that Bell commented that guys would also look good in a black crew neck shirt...and pointed to the black crew-neck shirt he was wearing himself....lololol.
I told him that I absolutely LOVED The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco. He seemed pleased about it himself. When others had started to disperse, I mentioned how sorry I was that Angel was leaving the air, that I had loved both Angel and Buffy very much and that I wanted to thank him for his participation in both shows.
I also told him that I was particularly touched by the Buffy/Angel relationship (he hears that a lot. *g*)....and that no matter what happened, I was looking forward to a great series finale and I would always be grateful for what we'd been given...both from the shows and from the B/A relationship itself. He was very gracious in thanking me, I wished him luck in whatever future projects he worked on and that was it for Bell.
Again, very nice man, but a far cry from the very funny, outgoing Fury. And it's noticeable because Fury always seemed to be surrounded by a group of people, while I spoke to Bell one on one after the initial small group dispersed. And he didn't look like I would have imagined...goatee and earring...
Okay....who shall we do next...how 'bout Tim Minear...
I first saw him being completely monopolized by 3 people and I couldn't get to him at all. Then he went back to the VIP room. So I moved on. Val stayed behind to wait for him to come back out of the VIP room...and this part I missed, but I am assured that it was quite hilarious by Ruth who actually witnessed it....
Val saw Tim come back out into the lobby and, from her seated position on the floor across the way, she shouted, "Timmayyyyy!"...and waved at him. He got a huge smile on his face, jogged across the way to her and gave her a big hug. Now that is both funny as hell and very sweet. Apparently his handler was chasing after him looking rather peturbed. Which is also funny. *g*
At any rate, when I finally got to chat with him, I told him that I missed him SO much on Angel, that I loved Home...it was my favorite season finale so far, and that I was so disappointed when we found out he wouldn't be able to come back for one final Angel episode after all. He is such a lovely man. He seemed quite happy to hear that he was so missed, he said that he missed Angel too and was disappointed himself that he couldn't do another episode but that he just didn't have the time with Wonder Falls.
I asked him when Wonder Falls was going to show and he confirmed the date as March 12. He said they had the first 7 episodes done already. He seems very excited about Wonder Falls, and I know I personally can't wait to see it either, even though I've got the pilot here already.
Lisa from Sparklies mentioned the Save Angel campaign and he said it was a great idea, even IF Angel couldn't be saved. That it was important to let people know how wrong this whole thing was. I love Tim. Did I mention that?
Later, after the party when several of us (*waves to Bub, Lisa, Letitia, Partyman*) were up in our hotel room, Bub told us that Tim said he was a B/A shipper while he was outside with her. And you have to love that. I always knew that he respected and appreciated the B/A ship, but this was even more lovely to hear. And I know Bub would never say THAT without it being true. And thank you Bub! Wish I'd heard it myself....lol
On to Drew Goddard....
Drew had quite the female minion population swarming around him most of the time, with flashbulbs popping so often you'd think he was being hounded by papparazzi. It was something to see. The Drew Goddard Minions were presenting him with a birthday present (don't know what it was) and it's clear that he very much enjoys interacting with the fans.
Aside from being quite the cutie, he's frelling hilarious! At one point when he was standing with Steve DeKnight, he shouted out really loudly..."Steve killed Tara!!!!"...and got the predictable reaction. It was so funny. Poor Steve.
When I got to speak with Drew, I started off by telling him that I loved having him on the Angel writing staff since I fell in love with his writing style on Buffy with the brilliant "Selfless". He said that he had a soft spot for that episode as well, joking that he was never going to get past that. I told him it was just so obvious that a fan had written that episode. I also told him that the Buffy comment about loving Angel more than she would ever love anyone else gave me a lot of renewed Buffy/Angel hope. He smiled and said "oh yeah I love that"....*happy sigh* I love Drew.
I also said that I loved Lineage and Damage (which was co-written by him and DeKnight)....
Later in the evening, I went up to him and Deknight (surrounded as usual by hordes of people) and they were talking about Damage and the fight scene in Destiny. Steve talked about the fight he and Fury had over the script because, as Steve said, "Fury kept poking at me"...Fury wanted Spike to win, I think DeKnight disagreed. They were quite candid about the fight itself. Steve actually said that he finally said, "@#%$ you Fury, write it yourself" and stormed out. Bell smoothed things over and Fury and Deknight were all lovey again shortly afterwards. Drew was simply sorry he missed it since he was filming Lineage at the time.
It's so obvious that Drew and Steve just have SO much fun together, they had everyone cracking up all evening. The talk turned to the episode they wrote together, Damage...apparently they got together to discuss how it would go, Steve said, "You don't touch my half", Drew said, "You don't touch my half", and "neither of us touched each other".
They both apparently can't get enough of Tom Lenk. They always want to work him in somehow.....no matter how insane. LOL.
And they were both very surprised by the depth of drama that Lenk was capable of. Drew said that when Lenk talked about Buffy not trusting Angel at the end, they were all blown away by his performance.
It was at that point that I said the mere implication that Buffy didn't trust Angel simply broke my heart. Drew then said it broke his heart too, but he continued that before it broke my heart too much, we should all remember that Andrew wasn't the most reliable person to trust with big information. Lots of agreement on that one! Hell, we were saying that when the ep aired...another woman piped up saying that Andrew always embellished, I commented that in addition to that, I found it highly unlikely that Buffy would ever confide such deep and personal feelings to Andrew anyway. Drew also agreed with that sentiment.
The only other thing I mentioned about the whole Damage thing was that it couldn't break my heart too much anyway, because it was clear that at least to some degree, Buffy was still clearly a motivating influence on Angel's mind and heart. Which Drew also agreed with. I love Drew. *sigh*
I think that at the very least, Drew is very well aquainted with the whole Buffy/Angel romance and he clearly has a lot of respect for it. And I love that. How many times have I said the word love? Hmmm...no matter. Drew rocks. It's that simple.
And DeKnight. *sigh* He's so cool. I think I may have started off on the wrong foot though. But it was funny....I told him that I always loved his episodes, that he did dark so well and that he was one of my favorite writers. I said it amazed me that he could do so well when he got all the crap to write. Ooops. He was laughing and saying, "I get all the crap to write....makes you wonder doesn't it?" I tried to furiously back-pedal, but it was too funny to take seriously, so I let it go.
He didn't look at all how I pictured him. Not really sure how I *did* picture him, but still...he's very mild-mannered and funny as hell, especially with Drew. He made the usual comments about needing to learn to keep his mouth shut...remnants of the Willow/Tara debacle....a lot of fun to listen to. Another writer who clearly enjoys the fans.
Also met with Camden Toy, told him my favorite character of his to this day was still The Gentlemen from Hush because that was the only episode to ever scare me. His personal fave is Gnarl because it gave him a lot to sink his teeth into. I told him Gnarl was quite creepy as well.
The demon Skip was there (don't know if the actor who actually portrayed him was there or if it was just someone they had wear the costume), some demon I couldn't place, and the pee-pee demon from Life of the Party....
Mark Lutz was there looking quite delicious, Sarah Thompson was there...I didn't speak to either of them really cause their characters mean nothing to me. Sounds harsh, but it's true...
Did chat very briefly with Julie Benz...SOOOO tiny. But absolutely gorgeous.
I'll edit in the stuff about Andy Hallet. I'm tired of typing right now. But he kissed Bub on the lips. Bitch! He's yummy. I mean, YUMMY. Such a shame to cover him in green....
A Satisfying Sexual Conclusion; an Angelic Fall from Grace Feb. 23, 2004
This bittersweet week sees the last episode of Sex and the City and the sudden news of Angel's cancellation. Plus, Alias speculations, SAGs sallies and Survivor situations round out the bill.
From larrypigtails: Enough Sex and the City! What say you of Angel?! Kristin: That it's quite possibly the greatest tragedy I've ever endured, aside from that one time my Barbie Big Wheels got crushed by the neighbor's Winnebago. Honestly, guys, I have been in a serious funk for a whole week with Angel's cancellation and the end of Sex and the City. I feel as if they've ripped out my heart and fed it to me with a spoon. But my misery aside, here's where it all stands, as far as I know: Joss' camp and the studio are not giving up. Sources say the show has been pitched to UPN and "it's being discussed." You can lend your support by contributing to Variety and Hollywood Reporter ads, or signing a petition, at these Websites: SupportAngel.org and SaveAngel.org. Go now!
From end_of_the_road: Regarding Angel's impending end, I heard that Sarah Michelle Gellar is reconsidering an appearance on Angel. Is this true? Kristin: Yes, though at this point it's just "considering." Joss really wants her back for the very end--as we all do--and she has been offered a spot. If she says yes, I'm guessing it will take some rejiggering from the writers. I hear they'd already begun writing the finale script.
From rachelbee: Why didn't you warn us Angel was getting canceled? It's your job! Kristin: I know! But I didn't know, and I'm sorry. Everyone, and I do mean everyone, was stunned to learn of the show's cancellation, including the reps at the studio and the network, the cast and, of course, Joss Whedon. In case you missed it, here is Joss' statement about the cancellation:
"This news is, needless to say, surprising, but it's really wonderful that the WB let us know so early on that we were picked up for a sixth exciting season! Angel is hitting new strides in terms of creativity and appeal, and everyone is so full of energy, of new stories, it's just comforting to...[rereads memo]...Oh. Oh, that's different. That sucks. Especially since the whole 'new strides' thing was actually true. Angel is as strong as it's ever been--except for that's it's dead. Truthfully, I'm heartbroken. This is a show, a staff and a cast I've felt privileged to work with. I only wish to continue that. I can't speak for the WB's reasoning, and this would probably be a bad time for me to comment on any of the shows they're not canceling. But they provided a home (albeit a temporary foster home) for both Buffy and Angel that otherwise would not have existed, and I'm grateful for that. All we have left on Angel is to end the season with episodes as strong and meaningful as we can muster--but then, we were gonna do that anyway."
From aliciajo: Can I just say RIP Angel? Kristin: You can. But you likely won't get out of this chat alive. Run! Run for your life!
From platypirock: What's the deal with Angel? Any hope for a save by UPN, Ё¤ la Buffy? Kristin: An insider close to UPN tells me higher-ups are trying not to pick up other networks' "leftovers" anymore, so I'm thinking it's not likely. I wish I could tell you otherwise! If the price is right, UPN might, just might, pick it up. They should, dammit, after seeing from Buffy that this devoted fan base will follow a show anywhere. But I'm guessing that would mean a smaller price tag and possibly cast or staffing cuts, and that is something Joss has said he'd never do (a reporter at TCA asked him if he'd ever pull a David E. Kelley-Practice move, and he said if they couldn't do the show well, they wouldn't do it at all). Also, don't forget that David Boreanaz sounded more or less ready to move on during his recent Q&A with us. "I'm really itching to explore other characters and do other projects. I think I've been stuck in this medical school for a while, and I need to open up and get out." So, like I said, it is not likely, but crazier things have happened (think Roswell), and we should muster all the support we can. Rah-rah! As SupportAngel.org says, "Love the show? Show the Love!"
From kyleeb: When does Wonderfalls start on the WB? Kristin: March 12 on Fox. Please watch--please, pretty please, with naked James Marsters sugar on top. It's my favorite new show!
From angelfanuk: Can we expect a second season of Tru Calling? Kristin: It doesn't look like it.
From jennerbeth: Do you have any idea of what's coming up on Angel? Kristin: I ran into Tim Minear at an Angel fan party on Saturday. He and Julie Benz were in attendance. I'll have more in this week's column, but for now I can tell you this: He said two parents come to Angel for help with their supernatural son, and it turns out that son is Connor. http://www.voy.com/14810/2796.html
Date Posted: 05:10:59 02/24/04 Tue Author: Geordiegirl Author Host/IP: host9.audit-commission.gov.uk / 193.128.236.219 Subject: News re Alysson Hannigan
AH is currently appearing in a stage version of When Harry Met Sally in London (which has had mixed reviews apparently).
However I have just seen an announcement that she will not be appearing in the play from the 17th to the 24th March. Could she be flying back to the states to film an appearance in AtS?
Fans Bid Farewell to 'Angel' (Tuesday, February 24 08:03 AM) By Kate O'Hare
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - One would like to think the hordes of limousines and folks in evening dress dodging raindrops outside the Century Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles the night of Saturday, Feb. 21, were all there to mourn the end of The WB's recently axed "Angel" -- but, not so much. More likely they were there for the Writers Guild of America Awards, also taking place at the hotel, but at least a few of the folks filing into the hotel were planning to celebrate the afterlife and death of their favorite vampire.
About 250 fans gathered for the Wolfram & Hart Annual Revue ball, a fan-organized event that featured a raffle and auction of "Angel" props and memorabilia, with proceeds going to the Al Wooten Jr. Heritage Center, a neighborhood nonprofit group benefiting children.
The event was scheduled long before anyone knew that The WB would cancel "Angel," the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off created by Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt. That announcement that the show's current season would be its last, came on eight days earlier, catching cast, crew and fans by surprise. Wearing badges that proudly displayed their online names, the fans mingled with a few cast members of the show, including Andy Hallett (Lorne), Julie Benz (Darla), Sarah Thompson (Eve), Jonathan M. Woodward (Knox) and Camden Toy (multiple costumed roles on "Buffy"; seen most recently as the Prince of Lies in the "Angel" episode "Why We Fight"). Ron Glass of Whedon's also-axed "Firefly," who is chairman of the board for the Wooten Center and accepted the donation, was there as well.
Also attending were several behind-the-scenes staffers, like executive producers Jeff Bell and David Fury (just seen as a possessed puppeteer in "Smile Time"), writer Steven DeKnight, special-effects expert Rob Hall of Almost Human -- who came with demon pals, including a fully tricked-out Skip -- writers Drew Goddard and Steven S. DeKnight, Chris Buchanan, president of production company Mutant Enemy, and former executive producer Tim Minear (now working on FOX's "Wonderfalls").
Whedon was reported to be in London, attending performances of "When Harry Met Sally," starring Luke Perry and "Buffy's" Alyson Hannigan, and "The Pirates of Penzance," featuring "Buffy" star Anthony Stewart Head.
Among the topics under discussion among the "Angel" insiders were whether UPN would pick up "Angel," as it did with "Buffy" (not that likely); whether there would indeed be a "Firefly" feature film (more likely); and whether The WB would indeed produce "Angel" TV-movies (still in the talking stages). http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/buffy/2004/02/24/9652.shtml
Angel axing reaction
Top TV people's response to show's demise.
Whilst we were in Los Angeles, we took the opportunity to gauge top TV people's reaction to the cancellation of Angel.
Former Angel Executive Producer Tim Minear - now in charge of Wonderfalls - heard the news the night before The WB issued their cancellation announcement.
"I got a call from Joss the day before the news broke. He told me that he'd had dinner with (WB President) Jordan Levin, where he said, 'I need to know whether the show is coming back so I can tell my crew and my actors what to plan for.' He was told right then and there that it wasn't going to be coming back. Joss was a little taken aback - I don't think he was expecting that.
"My reaction was, 'What do you expect, you didn't have me [working on it]'" Tim joked. "We couldn't really expect it to go on much longer, because the big brain was over here doing Wonderfalls."
Jeph Loeb, who co-developed the aborted Buffy: Animated series with Joss, was sad to see Angel go. "I don't like it when any show that I'm friends with all the people on goes away.
"All the people who were involved in the show from the very beginning really gave it their all. I don't think there are any lazy episodes. They put a lot of heart and effort into a very difficult premise and came up with a show that I'm a very big fan of. I'll miss the characters and I'll miss the writing, because I think it was very smart."
Former Buffy writer Drew Greenberg was baffled by the decision. "I wish I could understand it. I feel for my friends over there - it's never an easy call to get. Why was that decision made? The show is doing so well, and they were having such a good year. It's a decision I don't understand."
Over at Smallville, Angel's Wednesday night scheduling partner, series creator Al Gough was equally baffled. "I don't know why they cancelled Angel. With Smallville on at 8pm and Angel at 9pm, we had a really good block of programming and a lot of fan crossover between the two shows. Considering the ratings and the quality of the show this year, we were shocked that they cancelled it."
The last word goes to Family Guy creator Seth McFarlane. "I didn't realise that Angel was still on the airе I guess I'll never get to work on a Joss Whedon show now." Ouch.
Есть еще одна версия событий. Но это с фанатского сайта, так что взгляд наверняка пристрастный.
Whedon vs The WB Fans of Angel are still wondering why the WB chose to axe one of it's most successful shows at a time it is losing the battle for ratings. The official line is that the cost of making the show far outweighs any gain by the giant network but many refuse to believe this. There certainly is no love lost between the Buffy and Angel creator, Joss Whedon and the WB network after the two came to blows after Buffy the Vampire Slayer was axed from the network after five seasons.
As the five year contract for Buffy drew to a close on the WB, things turned rocky. Fox were spending $2 million per episode producing the show but only received $1 million per episode from the network but the production were expecting a large increase in its fee. This is normal for television business. Production companies typically sell their shows for less of the production costs, making a difference with the international and syndication sales for their hits. And with large increases in fees at the five year renewal point.
While this is typical for the television business, it isn't typical for the WB, which at the time Buffy came up for renewal, was a fairly new network which was losing $50 million per year and had never before had a show reach the five year mark. During the negotiation process for a sixth season of Buffy, the man running the WB, Jamie Kellner took a hard line and refused to pay over $1.8 million per episode. Despite the show defining the network, he downplayed the importance saying it was a niche show that appealed mainly to teens and certainly was not "irreplaceable."
Whedon was furious and publically said, "For Jamie Kellner to call it a teen show and dismiss his own product angers me. It doesn't breed love." Whedon felt disrespected and sent Kellner a stern letter complaining about his remarks.
Ultimately, the WB lost out to the UPN who offered $2.3 million per episode. Whedon blamed the loss squarely on Kellner. "Jamie said "I won't budge and inch,"" said Whedon, indicating that other top WB Executives supported Buffy.
Although the shows star Sarah Michelle Gellar was dead against the move to UPN, she later retracted a statement where she said she would not continue playing the Slayer on any other network other than the WB. After the move was announced, Gellar announced that the UPN had been wonderful.
At a Television Critics Association Press tour the following year, witnesses were surprised to see Jamie Kellner approach Whedon and shake his hand. Whedon accepted the gracious attempt to put their differences behind them particularly as Angel was still being aired on the WB.
But was the love still lost? Well yes. Whedon said, "You know, I didn't like the way the business was handled. I don't like doing business because I tend to take things personally."
After the season five finale, The Gift was aired on the WB, the program ended with a shot of Buffy's tombstone which faded into black and a message appeared, "Five great years. We thank you." For a split second, Whedon was moved until realisation kicked in. "The WB decided to pretend the series was ending," said Whedon. He even went so far as to describe it as "cheesy."
A WB spokesman, Paul McGuire said it was "a shame" if any Buffy fan had been misled. In the end, Whedon said, "They're just trying to protect their network and not help the other guys."
Is history repeating itself? Well, the WB is no longer a new network and has in fact renewed some its shows after five seasons. Charmed has been renewed for a seventh season despite the show drawing in the lowest amount of ratings on Sunday nights at 8pm. On the 22nd February, the show only drew in 3.1/5 million viewers compared to the CBS's 9.5/15 million who watched new drama, Cold Case which aired in the same time slot.
If cost really is the issue then the WB will start to question the series, Smallville which is only two places ahead of Angel in the overall ratings battle. One has to imagine how much the special affects cost to produce for the show about Clark Kent's alter ego, Superman growing up in a small town.
Whether the real reason for axing Angel is cost or something far more sinister, one thing is for sure, the fans will go on asking questions. In the meantime, the army of loyal and dedicated viewers of the show will continue to campaign until they know for sure that Angel has no chance of being picked up by another network. Online petitions and a postcard campaign have given them hope that they may see a sixth season of their favourite show. The fans are not done and neither are the production crew and the cast of Angel. Following Buffy's transition to UPN, we went on to enjoy two wonderful seasons of our much loved show. We wouldn't mind seeing history repeating itself. Season six and seven of Angel anyone? Yes please.
By Andrea Clarke at Buffy-vs-Angel 23 Feb 2004 by Andrea
Васкес, думаешь, переименовать в неспойлерном "последний на WB" или оставить ветку, как есть?
Елена, что-то я где-то читала, что UPN сейчас в глубоком финансовом кризисе и именно поэтом думают, что они "Ангела" не возьмут, хотя если они остаются без жанрового шоу... В общем, туман понад яром стелыться
Я не тому удивляюсь, что UPN может не купить "Ангела". Я удивляюсь тому, откуда взялась трактовка, что "Баффи" она подобрала, как никому не нужный. За него вполне приличная шла драка. А то, что "купил бы, да кусается" - это как раз мне очень хорошо знакомо.
Елена, я тоже удивлена, откуда взялась такая трактовка. Я такой трактовки нигде не видела. Все аналитики в основном говорят, что The WB отказалась от "Баффи", потому что Fox слишком много запросила за продление лицензии. Похоже, нечто подобное случилось и сейчас. По крайней мере, если внимательно читать статью в Variety, видна их трактовка: вопрос решался не между The WB и Ведоном, а между The WB и Fox. Насчет UPN и leftovers - думаю, это реакция канала на большие финансовые потери от 6-7 сезона "Баффи". Как совершенно справедливо говорит Геро, они сейчас в очень тяжелом финансовом положении.
Геро, я тут подумала: а может быть, назвать ту ветку ANGEL: save as... (я каждый раз буду мысленно добавлять The Spike Show). Шансов, конечно, почти нет - но почему не развлечься?
Отправлено: 29.09.08 22:42. Заголовок: Elena S(02/25/04 05:..
Elena S(02/25/04 05:45:35) "Я такой трактовки нигде не видела. "
Мне, конечно, лень ходить и заново собирать цитаты, но из твоего же поста - пожалуйста. UPN picked up two more seasons of Angel's predecessor series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, after The WB canceled it. Когда UPN picked up "Баффи", The WB вовсе не canceled it, а всего лишь отчаянно торговались.
В других статьях тоже проводятся аналогии между тогдашним положением "Баффи" и нынешним "Ангела". Что истине не соответствует - тогда WB не шли навстречу пожеланиям Ведона (сказав заранее о закрытии, давая комплиментарные отзывы), а всячески пакостили (например, запретив гостевые визиты "их" актёров из "Ангела" в уже "не их" "Баффи" и - согласно твоим же находкам - вступив в словесную войну).
Я хорошо запомнила эти события, т.к. на тот момент я ужасно уважала Ведона, и даже писала на форуме Рен-Тв, что он создал шоу, из-за которого передрались две телекомпании. Тогдашнее поведение WB жутко напоминало вот такую газетную заметку "Сотрудники аппарата нового президента США Джорджа Буша обнаружили, что в офисах Белого дома на клавиатурах компьютеров отсутствуют клавиши " W". С этой буквы начинается второе имя нового президента США Джорджа Уокера Буша. На непременном использовании этого имени или, по крайней мере, инициала Буш настаивал во время избирательной кампании.", т.е., пакостили по мелочам.
Да и основной состав, перейдя на UPN, получили дорогие подарки - что было бы довольно странно, если бы UPN подобрали шоу после его закрытия, а вот с учётом того, что СМГ одно время настаивала, что она любит только WB - весьма логично. Возможно, дело в том, что журналисты не помнят эти события, а WB, опомнившись, стали подавать их в том смысле, что это они были инициаторами развода с "Баффи"?
Елена, думаю, если ты о профессиональных СМИ, я все же не вижу никакой особой подоплеки, никакого скрытого плана. Специально посмотрела по Лингве:
cancel 1) вычеркивать, стирать 2) аннулировать, отменять; отказываться 3) изглаживать, вычеркивать ( из памяти ) 4) погашать ( марки ) 5) сокращать ( дробь, уравнение ) 6) сводить на нет; нейтрализовать, погашать 7) ставить знак бекара вычеркивать ( в корректуре )
Можно перевести, что The WB "отказались" от шоу, потому что оно им слишком дорого стоит.
Не исключено, что The WB действительно хотят дистанцироваться от Ведона. Думаю, их обещание телефильмов на следующий год - вялая попытка сделать хорошую мину при плохой игре. А насчет "пакостили по мелочам" - насколько я знаю, они уже успели поменять трейлер сегодняшней серии и убрать из него Written and directed by Joss Whedon (я не стала качать версию с The WB.com, но фаны этот вопрос уже обсудили).
Из новостей - (думаю, стоит ввести традицию Спарклей и делать кросс-посты по спасательной кампании здесь и в неспойлерном разделе)
Saving Angel.org Campaign UPDATE!
Campaign Status
Total funds raised as of February 25, 2004, at 01:30 GMT: $9,097.18!
Within 38 hours, we have met our first two goals by raising funds for ads in both The Hollywood Reporter and Variety!
Our original estimate was $7,000 for both ads, and we now hope to spend less, but until all arrangements are finalized, we’re holding a full $8,000 aside for the ads. Final figures and ad publication dates will be posted as soon as we sign off on each deal.
We have to keep the pressure on! Our next attention-getting goal is to raise funds to buy us two weeks on Guerilla Billboards advertising trucks that cover the Santa Monica/Los Angeles area. (Although just having it drive around the block where the WB has its headquarters would be worth the price. Or, you know, park across the street from the main entrance for about an hour while the driver takes lunch? We get to work out the route taken by the trucks.) A draft of the billboard ad will be available as soon as we can finalize the design and upload it to the site. Our <billboard> ad can’t run until "on or about" March 15. If Angel is already holding a house warming party for his new place, we’ll run an ad congratulating ANGEL on either renewal by the WB or being picked up by another network... which in the latter case would make having that truck parked by the WB corporate headquarters really worth the money
Мне нравится оптимизм организаторов кампании. У меня его, к сожалению, гораздо меньше.
Елена, знаешь, ты немного сдвинула меня с места, я решила все-таки сходить и почитать, что говорят на "сайтах-тяжеловесах" - тем более чо по работе мне нужно было сегодня покопаться на Cool News. На последней ветке по "Ангелу" http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/tb_display.cgi?id=17053#736655
нашла кое-какие любопытные высказывания. Причем можно считать их почти out-of-the box, поскольку это не фанаты "Ангела" конкретно, а фанаты хорошего жанрового кино и ТВ
WB decided to ignore the fact that the Buffiverse helped MAKE the network, once the more "realistic" teen dramas started bringing in decent ratings. You'd think Fox, which produces "Angel", would be an easy choice to pick up the series, if only they hadn't passed on "Buffy" and were bent on saving room for "The Littlest Bachelor" or whatever other reality drek they're churning out this week. WB's reasoning behind dropping "Angel" is pure crap. Repeating shows? That's what they do on Sundays. And most of their NEW programming sucks! How many dramas have they lost already this season? And less than half a season's notice to wrap up the entire show is crap. What have they got to replace it with? Nothing! Give 'em another season at least, so they can go out on Joss' terms, not with a quick wrap-up cobbled together at the last minute.
I think TV movies/films would only tarnish the legacy. Babylon 5 was a great TV series, but when it went to TV movies, it was still great but could be missed if necessary. I don't want that to happen to ANGEL.
The whole purpose of the Petitions Online business is to generate buzz in the media against WB's cancellation decision. Have we forgotten the power of the petition last year following Moriarity's review of the leaked Superman script? I seem to remember 50,000 signatures against the storyline and the surrounding media buzz triggering the executives at Warner Bros. Pictures ordering the script sent back for a re-write. Or, like the good Doctor, did I wake up in the parallel universe of Inferno? If you want to save the show, for goodness sakes, sign the petition. At the time of this posting, its almost up to 40,000 signatures and counting (I'll post the link at the end of this message). There are plenty of resources to go to to join the campaign to save the show. They are at these locations: www.supportangel.org, www.saveangel.org, www.cityofangel.com, www.slayage.com. I agree with Marsters on the post card biz though, buy up postcards from your hometown and send them to the various network contacts listed. Angel could do well on UPN (a revitalized sci-fi evening perhaps? Enterprise and Angel on Saturdays?), TNT, SciFi, or even F/X. I like F/X myself since they allow *The Shield* and *Nip/Tuck* to get away with so much, plus its a 20th Century Fox division.
I'd just like to make it known to everyone the irony of what happened Monday. TV Guide now does "behind the scenes" promos with host Ken Taylor with featured television programs and these clips are sent to TiVo owners for their viewing. Guess which program was featured Monday? Yep, it was Angel. Angel was described as the "successful spinoff of Buffy the Vampire Slayer." They spoke with Boreanaz, Marsters, Richards, and Denisoff. They showed a clip from Whedon's speech at the 100 Episode Party. You gotta love irony sometimes. Of course, the naysayers will spotlite the fact that TV Guide still has business arrangements with News Corp., parent company of 20th Century Fox Television, the company that produces Angel. TV Guide is a shareholder of TiVo after an intellectual property settlement. And News Corp. itself is a shareholder of TiVo through its newly acquired DirecTV division. Still, the irony was not lost upon me.
idiotic article at the Star Ledger Comment: The writer claims moving Angel to a basic cable network like TNT for Season 6 would gut the show's funding compared to it on the WB. I highly doubt it. I seem to remember TNT taking over Babylon5 for a while. The other night's Chris Noth produced "Bad Apple" movie on TNT also showed no signs of a cheap Canadian budget. I think Stargate has done well on SciFi (although I am not a fan of it) as has the re-imagined BattleStar Galactica. Then of course are all the original programming on F/X Network. Someone should send this writer on a fact checking exercise. http://www.nj.com/entertainment/ledger/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/107708850750701.xml
А вот эту забавную информацию я обнаружила на Cold Dead Seed
Its an intresting account (though not quite finished yet), and good to see Drew getting some more VIP members. Also some gossip.
Guess who Drew's dating!!! Nina (well the actress who plays her). Geez do I need anymore reason to be jealous of him.
Mere Smith and Steve DeKnight are still an item. Which is nice to know, because I was wondering if they split and Mere left Angel as a result. Course now I have no idea why she left Angel. However she was fired from Tarzan before it was cancelled, because she couldnt take the show serriously (hehe), and stupid motherfucking Tarzan, no wonder you got cancelled
Drew did try to put on Mere's dress, but it didnt fit. He and Steve DeKnight did pose for pictures while pretending to piss in the urinals and grabbing each other arses. I expect these pics will hit the web soon.
Мдя-м, народ все интересуется личной жизнью сценаристов ) Васкес, спасибо за новости ))
Вчера читала, что Майлс Миллер и Альфред Гоуч (создатели и исполнительные продюсеры "Смоллвилля") тоже страшно недовольны, т.к. считают, что два жанровых шоу подряд дают вместе очень неплохие рейтинги, плюс фаны, мол, кроссоверят сериалы, а это привлекает зрителей как с одной, так и с другой стороны
Насколько я поняла, это все фотки 2003 года, вернее, капсы из проморолика, WB делает такие, к "Смоллвиллю" я видела, а вот к "Ангелу" нет.. где б еще сам ролик достать )
Как я уже писала Стренджер, Стив и Дрю решили в этом сезоне поставить рекорд по количеству написанных ими вместе и по отдельности серий ) Пора свое шоу открывать )
Interview with David Fury by TaraDiLullo, from Dreamwatch no 115.
Firstly, I had to make a couple of comments, but I’ve left them right to the end, so as not to be confusing.
‘David Fury really got to sink his teeth into Angel’s tale of the century. “It was a very tricky story to break,” says Fury, who wrote and also directed AtS’s 100th episode, You’re Welcome. “We knew what questions to ask in the episode and we knew what the 100th had to say about where we were and where we are now. The 100th episode was always supposed to include SMG and when she balked, it became evident the next best, and maybe even the better person, would be Cordelia. She was with the show from the beginning and the heart of the show. Once Charisma agreed to return, it then became about where Cordelia was going to be. Joss was heavily involved in the breaking of the story and I was trying to write the script before we really knew what the story was because time was running out,” he continues. “We knew that Cordelia was going to wake up in the teaser but then we had to decide where we wanted to go with it. It really helped when we decided Lindsay would be one of the major Big Bads of the season, since he was also from the pilot episode. From there, it all fell into place and, in fact, we even do a homage to Doyle, which is very moving.” While You’re Welcome delves into the rich mythos of the series, it also concludes Cordelia’s storyline on the show. In a coma and unseen since the end of season 4, Cordelia finally returns to help Angel regain his champion’s path following his dubious decision to run W&H. The characters also resolve some romantic loose ends left lingering, even though Fury was never a supporter of the Angel/Cordelia romance prior to the episode’s production. “I think a lot of the reason they were first put together was because we couldn’t find someone else Angel could be together with,” he explains. “We have tried many times to give Angel a love interest and we have failed miserably for many reasons. Either we don’t feel like the dynamic is there or the pain Joss so enjoys can’t be gotten through some of the characters. That has been the biggest bane for a show creator who thrives on relationships for his characters – how can we not give our titular star a love interest? I totally understand why we went to the Cordelia place and I think that whatever else I thought about the relationship before I got to work with the two of them, I was moved,” he admits. “We all were. There were tears on set and I suddenly went, ‘Oh my God, I’m an Angel/Cordelia ‘shipper!’” You’re Welcome is the first AtS episode to be directed by Fury, who previously helmed the BtVS episode LMPTM. “It was a wonderful experience on many levels, but it was also very difficult in that it was a new show for me. It was a new crew and a new arena but that said, I’m really proud of the episode and the people involved. In particular, Charisma was amazing and having her back reminded myself and others just how important she was to the show. She was phenomenal and everybody recognised it.” As to the question of whether Carpenter will ever appear on AtS again after You’re Welcome, Fury is reluctant to give a definitive answer. “Anybody who knows BtVS and AtS knows that there is always the possibility of someone coming back regardless of how they left,” he notes. “Nothing is final, but this works very nicely as closure.” With two thirds of AtS’s fifth season now in the can, Fury reveals that this year has been particularly tough for the creative team to chart. Not only have the writers been asked by the WB network to focus on self-contained storylines that are accessible to newcomers as well as long-time viewers, but they’ve also had to make the characters’ move to W&H work in the show’s favour. “It’s very hard to do heavily personal stories about our characters in a workplace environment,” explains Fury. “The Hyperion hotel was a workplace environment but it was also their home, and we felt it always played as the allegory of family. You can’t play family allegories in a corporate office. It becomes co-workers, and that’s a harder thing to get personal about without contriving romantic relationships that we’ve let lapse or are trying to create. The second part of the challenge is trying to explain the big giant grey area of the show now. These are good guys but they are flawed good guys working in a very evil environment and they are fighting great evils with their evil resources. It becomes very baffling, whereas it was always very clear when it was a few people working the seamy demon underbelly of LA. Trying to help the helpless was very clear-cut. It’s a more complex show now, but thankfully, a lot of people really love it. We weren’t sure how people would react quite honestly, “he admits. “The fact we’ve been able to work characters like Spike and Harmony into the mix just makes for more interesting stories. We’ve been able to do some interesting things regarding the past especially with Angel and Spike. I think the thing I am most proud of is playing out that dynamic. That has been the most important relationship of the season.” Speaking of the ever-battling vampires, Fury reports that he had a wonderful time exploring Angel and Spike’s history in the episodes Just Rewards and Destiny. “I think the love story this season is between Angel and Spike – and when I say a love story, I mean a brotherly love story,” he states. “I would love to see Angel and Spike become a team. I don’t think it would change them at all but it would add an interesting dynamic. One of things I was desperate to do in the 100th was for Spike and Angel to suddenly say we have a common enemy and whatever else is going on between us, let’s forget it and you and me take this on,” says Fury. “I wanted a power shot of Spike and Angel walking into battle together. I would love to have seen that, but it didn’t happen. Joss couldn’t find a place to earn it and he didn’t want to go there this soon. I think we’ll get to that point.” As for the rest of the show’s characters, their increased corruption due to working at W&H is an arc that will also step up in coming episodes. “There are very interesting changes afoot as their involvement with W&H will cost them dearly. Gunn has definitely been the most interesting in terms of the corruption angle. Lorne, despite being the voice of reason on the show, is in many ways one of the most corrupted. But Fred will fall victim as well, in a very specific way that I can’t elaborate, but it will be interesting and there will be more for Wesley too. I think in many ways, ironically, Angel is now the voice of reason. They are all far more seduced than Angel is and I think Angel will end up being the one most grounded and pulling everyone out of the fire. And all of these events will play into one big arc.” While AtS’s fifth season has won record ratings in the US, David Fury says that the show’s makers aren’t talking much about a sixth season just yet. Instead, they’re focusing on completing the show’s current season and are enjoying the achievement of producing AtS’s 100th episode. “Celebrating our 100th is a big deal, “he declares. “Talking about next year seems so far away right now. But I think there could be a sixth season. We all love working here and the only reason we would have any hesitation is if it’s not right for the show. We’ll have to see where we think we can bring the characters next and which characters will live and die and what new characters we should see.”
All I can say is that I am absolutely astonished that anyone could think that having Charisma back for the 100th episode could be ‘second best’ behind SMG, but I kind of forgive him for his belated conversion to C/A ‘shipper. Don’t know why people couldn’t see it before. It’s plain enough to me. Also, love what he says about Spike/Angel and wonder if that hand-holding scene was the power-shot he wanted, or if we’ll get more. Also, that last sentence has me very worried. Please, everyone, continue to send the postcards begging them not to kill Spike again! Once was enough.
Во-первых, отчет девушек с MTS о посещении съемок, ага, еще один - счастливые люди, тусуются там )
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Joined: 27-July 03 Location: Los Angeles I know that Bookie and Gray Sunrise did a set visit and posted about it here. Sharvie and I had the great fortune of getting to visit the set today and we had such a fabulous time! :love:
Below is the report that I posted at my livejournal regarding the experience. I just copied and pasted because it's been a long day and that report took me hours to write. Just ask Sharvie! She was sitting right next to me!
Mods, if this doesn't belong here, please feel free to move it! :smile:
Anyway, here it is, and it's really, really long. I apologize for that.
We weren't supposed to be there until noon and despite waking up late, we made it by 12:30pm. Luckily, we had no trouble finding the studio either. I've passed by where Paramount Studios is located several times, but I never figured that that was the exact location where Angel was filmed. Go fig.
After going through security, we used our little map to guide us to sound stages 5, 6, 7, and 17. We wandered around outside for a little bit asking where we could find Dan until someone told us to follow him and in we went to sound stage 5. From the very beginning everything seemed surreal, but it was even more unbelievable when we finally walked in to the stage. The first part we walked through was one of the hallways of Wolfram and Hart (Sharvie says it was possibly the one where Spike bit Cordelia in "You're Welcome" and there were several lawyer-type people lounging about.
When we got to the lighting room, we were greeted by Tom, the electrician we met at the party and told us how nice James is. He and Sharvie quickly jump into talk about lighting stuff that I didn't understand until Dan comes in and scoops us out for a really quick tour of the sound stage. We met Sparky, the prop master and saw the canvas (technical term: translight) that is suppose to be the cityscape outside of Angel's office window. Going back the other way, we ended up at the snack cart that faced towards Wes' office, and guess who was there filming? Alexis Denisof himself, of course. And it just so happened that today was his birthday, so they had a cake for him (of which I have a picture). We stayed there just watching the action going on. We weren't that close and we were watching through a window with blinds, so it wasn't easy to see, but it was still fun!
Afterwards we met Jerry, the best boy, who took us around the rest of the place. Being a huge lighting geek, the first thing we went to see were the dimmers. Don't know what that is, but they were big and outside the sound stages in their own little sheds. Then we went into stage 6, where a few moments before an international press junket had been held and most of the cast members had attended. Jerry told us that James had just been there, but then hopped on a cart and was taken to his trailer. We were given a call sheet by Dan, but James wasn't listed for any of today's shootings. He had only been there for the press junket. Though it would have been nice to see him, I think Sharvie and I would have completely lost our minds; as it was we were hanging by a thread trying to keep mellow.
Back to stage 6, the first set we saw was a dungeon that had been used for the previous episode they had filmed. It was also the same place where the junket had been held which was why there were several nicely set up tables and people from the catering service where picking everything up. It was still really cool to see how absolutely detailed the whole place was. The stone walls looked so real, but upon touching them, they were foam-like. Several torture-device props were set up throughout the dungeon giving it an even more real appearance. From the dungeon we were directed to Fred's bedroom. All the furniture was covered up, but we got a good idea as to what it looked like. Apparently it might still be used in a future episode which was why it was still up.
After checking out Fred's bedroom, Jerry took us to stage 7 where the first thing we saw was Fred's lab. The lab itself looked pretty spic'n'span, again, extremely detailed with all kinds of testing tubes and jars placed all over. There were a couple of construction guys in the lab who were really nice and took a picture of Sharvie and me. Fred's office was nearly completely destroyed. The glass from the windows was all over the carpet and her desk had been pushed to the side. Things like the Dixie Chicks poster were still up, but the office did look somewhat empty.
Going out through the back entrance to Fred's office, we ended up in what used to be Spike's apartment. It looked nothing like the apartment since it was stripped bare. For that matter, it looked more like an alleyway, but apparently that was the same place where Spike's apartment had been set up. Then came Angel's penthouse-- another elaborately decorated set. And the bed is super soft and comfy too! The place was dimly lit, but with flash I managed to take some good pictures of the place. Compared to the rest of the sets I had seen up to that point, I think Angel's penthouse was the biggest. It looked just as roomy as it does on TV.
After seeing everything that stage 7 had to offer, we made our way to stage 17 which will be used in a future episode. Today they were constructing the actual set. Once construction is over, the lighting crew will come in and do their thing. On that same stage we saw this giant green/black looking thing that will be used in an upcoming episode as well as the egg that came out in "Smile Time."
After stage 17, we were dropped off with Dan again (it was lunch time) and he took us to see the rest of stage 5. On our way in, Alexis and Drew Goddard were just walking out, and to our surprise, Drew recognized Sharvie from Saturday's party! We spoke to him for a little bit and then asked for a picture. He was extremely nice and totally agreed. Dan suggested we take it in front of the Wolfram & Hart sign behind Harmony's desk, which we did. The pic looks awesome, too! Upon Sharvie's suggestion, Drew sat on Harm's chair and we stood on either side of him. Knowing it was his lunch time, we didn't want to bug him more, so off he went while we lurked about the lobby of W&H. We went into all the offices and took pictures of pretty much everything. Dan told us (at the party, actually) that stage 5 is the same one that was used for the Brady Bunch, and that the staircase in the lobby is the same one that was used for that show.
I loved Angel's office! It's probably just as big has his penthouse. There was this thing against the wall in the conference room that is absolutely stunning. It reminded me of all the Indian art I saw at the British Museum.
Gunn's office was set up as a place where the actors could lounge about while waiting for their turn to rehearse or film. Each chair in the office had a name attached to it, for example there was one for Mercedes McNab, Drew Goddard, and there we saw the name of one actor in particular (not JM) which I won't name here in case there's a spoiler-free reader, but feel free to ask me later if you are curious.
Wes' office was messy. There was some stuff from the filming but otherwise it was just as Wes' office is on TV. I have pictures of all of this which I'll share with everyone.
Since it was still lunch time, Dan took us to the craft services truck where we were free to order anything we wanted, no cost. Sharvie was so stunned with everything that had happened so far that she couldn't think straight enough to order, so she ended up ordering white rice with sun-dried tomato alfredo sauce. She doesn't even like sun-dried tomatoes OR alfredo sauce! I ordered a baked potato and rigatoni with marinara sauce... not something I would combine normally, but I really didn't know what else to order. Other choices they had available were beef au jus (sp?), grilled salmon, grilled chicken, salads, fruit salads, and I don't know how many other things. While Sharvie and I were getting our utensils I spotted Alexis at the benches with the other crew workers. As we were leaving that area to go eat in Dan's truck (huge thing with lots of lighting stuff in it), we passed by Mercedes who was ordering her meal. She seemed so adorable!
During lunch we met several other members of the crew, including Dan's girlfriend, Heidi, who is a stand-in for Fred and Spike. Actually, she attended the party this past weekend, but I couldn't really remember her. They both told us that last year's party was better in terms of how many cast members showed up. Then again, last year it was a Buffy and Angel posting board party, so that made a difference I suppose. Heidi also mentioned that Amy Acker had strep throat, AD was in London (for Alyson's play), JM was with his son, and I don't remember what she said about DB.
All the people we met were just *so* nice to us. Dan kept on introducing us as his fan club, which we really are now. While we were eating lunch, he went to the office he has in the trailer truck and brought out a t-shirt for us having something to do with lighting. Though I have no clue what it's about, Sharvie was all excited about it; she knew I would let her keep it with no protests since, like I said, no clue. Had it been an Angel t-shirt... we would have had problems... *g*
Once lunch was over we made our way back to stage and Dan offered us a piece of AD's b-day cake. You really think either one of us would say no?? How many fans can say they've had a piece of AD's b-day cake?? (If you can, don't tell me. I like to feel special sometimes.) Then we just hung out in the lighting room for a long while, whispering to each other while filming took place. Tom and Sharvie talked shop while I listened to all the lighting jargon. At one point, Dan called Tom on the radio and told him to put Sharvie on the board so that she could move some of the lights. She was so excited!
Here's the best part!!! At some point they were done shooting a scene where Wesley was in his office talking to a couple of people (if asked, I'll let you know who) and they were going to begin rehearsing the next scene, which included Amy, AD, Mercedes, and Andy Hallett. Since they were only rehearsing, we were allowed to watch from just outside the office where we could catch a word here and there. Gosh, it was so freakin' awesome! All of them were in make-up, Lorne in all his green glory and Fred(????) in all her... coloring...
Before Amy and Mercedes went in to the office to do their part, Amy turned towards us and smiled. The girl is really tall, thin, and beautiful. Mercedes is of the much shorter variety, but I think she's still taller than me. Both of them are incredibly beautiful. Sharvie and I spent maybe a good 20 minutes just watching them rehearse the same scene about 4 times. By the way, AD is so hot! He has such a perfect smile too!
Soon after that it was time for us to leave. Jerry came in a cart to pick us up and take us back to the gate through which we came in. Along the way he asked us if we were "Angel-ed out!" Like that's possible! We asked him if they get people visiting the set often, and he said that it's not often, though sometimes there are people with connections who bring in people who are fans. One example he gave was the daughter of some major guy visiting, and while he was giving her the tour, JM came up next to her and Jerry asked her if she would like to meet JM. When she saw him she was got so excited she started crying, so JM hugged her. Lucky, lucky, lucky.... Everyone we kept on talking to, by the way, when asked who was our favorite character, and we told them, they always told us that JM was "such a nice guy," "he's a people person," etc.
We thanked Jerry profusely for all their time and extreme hospitality. He told us that at the lot they are family, when someone is invited, they're like family. As if we hadn't felt incredibly special and privileged to have gotten such an opportunity, Jerry managed to make us feel even more welcomed. The whole experience was just utterly amazing.
Вот что пишет Рамзес после просмотра 15 серии. In the episode A Hole In the World we learn that Fred had a stuffed bunny named Feigenbaum, master of chaos. In reality Feigenbaum was a scientist who noticed patterns, especially patterns appearing on different scales at the same time. Clouds, smoke from a cigarette..patterns in complex systems... that suddenly become unpredictible. Rules seem to change. But, there is a pattern to be found in that unpredicability. Chaos science rejects traditional science's trend towards the analysis of the parts(quarks, neutrons and so on) and concentrates on the whole.(You can't see the big picture spike..you can't see the picture at all...Angel)
You can imagine this science also speculates on free will and determination. Something that seems random may not be random at all. On the other hand, if the tiniest thing can change the 'rules' how can we not argue for free will?
Perhaps the most important and well known aspect of Chaos Theory is the butterfly effect. The generator of unpredictibility, that tiny difference within a system that can lead to startling differences. The man that coined the term stated,"if a butterfly is flapping its wings in Argentina and we cannot take that action into account in our weather prediction, then we will fail to predict a thunderstorm over our home town two weeks from now because of this dynamic."(Lorenz, 1987)
Now what does any of this have to do with ATS season 5? Well we have the above quote from the caveman versus astronaut fight. Where Angel accuses Spike of being unable to see the big picture. But it's been a running theme this entire season... Angel himself not noticing things. Last night he hadn't noticed Fred and Wes. In Smile Time we had the joke with Nina the wolf girl using him as a chew toy right after he announces he hasn't been paying attention to life around him. In Destiny he doesn't notice when all hell breaks loose. And all the way back to Unleashed, he's blaming the arrival of Spike for why he's unfocused on their mission to help the hopeless. He's not seeing the big picture himself.
And he might be right about Spike, Spike has always been the jossverse very own trickster archtype, the agent of chaos. And there was that whole ripping of the fabric of reality thing earlier...something you might expect to happen when one complex system of patterns were laid on top of another...or when a pattern just suddenly changes. Note how he breaks the rules and asks the questions of Drygon(and nothing happens)...and earlier in the season how he's told over and over that he can effect his reality if he wants it bad enough. So maybe Spike is the butterfly.
But what if the butterfly effect was actually something else? Say the mindwipe? The complex system is destiny itself. The patterns? Remember Skip saying they were all brought together for a reason? Jasmine needed them together to bring about her birth. We had the relationships(WES/Fred/Gunn),Lorne misreading people, the souled vampire, Pylea and finally Cordi being chosen as the one who would bring Jasmine into the world.
Well take Connor out of the system,(Connor being the one aspect that helped define this as Jasmine's reality) what happens? Is the pattern happening just on a different scale? Same group of people brought together, same things are being repeated, just slightly different results.(One that works for W&H)
And when did all this start happening? Was it Pylea? Why was Fred's professor sending brillant women to Pylea? Why were the high priests and W&H looking for a princess who had visions.(And aren't Fred's mathematical constructs visions of a sort? Chaos Scientists consider themselves believers) Knox talked about positioning himself to be at W&H for Illyria's arrival, that it was all destined to happen...did someone position Fred as well? Was Fred 'destined' to become Illyria all along?(At least in some reality without say, Connor?)
Think about Fred's speech when the portal opened above her and that thing with the claws started to attack Angel...it looked exactly like the fail safe W&H keeps in the basement. And notice the 'claws' in the released picture we have of illyria. We never got to know why Fred's professor sent her to pylea, why the portal opened, and more importantly...why W&H were interested in her speech. But we do know that Fred made choices all along...her choices helped bring down Jasmine who would have rid the world of free will. But it was also her choices that brought her own death and destruction and the birth of Illyria.
Fred seemingly came to LA to study physics and have a safe boring life. Clutching her bunny(master of chaos) she went out into the world and discovered demon dimensions, portals through time, souled vampires and bugs. After Pylea, she chooses to stay to stay in LA. She chooses to work at W&H. Watch her as she approaches the crystal on the sarcophagus, it's as if she's as pulled to it as Angel was to the scroll containing the prophesy.
So what exactly is Joss saying about free will? Well, many believe chaos theory helps bolster the belief in free will. Certainly, it implies an indeterministic universe. Our choices effect what happens in our time. But what if someone stood outside time?(SP's) Wouldn't they then see the 'big picture'? In effect 'determine' what happens? Now we'll learn in Shells that Illyria's temple shares the same real estate as W&H, just in another time/dimension. But without her army she's just futilely trapped in this dimension...trapped with Fred's memories, real and unreal. She is a god, complete with destiny that finds herself as trapped as she was in the Well. If she remembers Connor and tells Wes, she will be doing what her destiny called for(Tearing down walls between dimensions) and if that leads to Connor's death once again than she could be literally seen as the clawed fail safe of W&H, ensuring Angel's destruction. Angel could be in a time loop of hellish proportions with destiny playing out according to the SP's whims.
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Hannigan taking time out from her West End play The Haymarket Theatre has announced that Alyson Hannigan will not appear in her West End play, When Harry Met Sally between 17th March and 3rd April.
No official reason has been given for the lead actresses absence from the newly launched play but rumours are that the absence is possibly due to Hannigan reprising her role of Willow to appear in the final ever episode of Angel which has yet to to be filmed.
Hannigan's super witch character Willow, appeared in Buffy for seven seasons and also popped up in episodes of Angel in crossover storylines. Of course, Hannigan still has a stake in the Angel show as her husband, Alexis Denisof is a regular cast member. Before the shows cancelation was announced, Denisof publically said that he would love to appear alongside his wife in the series and with time running out, this could be the last opportunity.
Other possible players in the finale include Eliza Dushku who this week spoke out in support of the cast and crew of the show she appeared in as Faith, the rogue vampire slayer. Although she is currently starring in her own show, Tru Calling, she will be free to film scenes for Angel's final ever episode.
Alyson's pilot is taping on Friday March 26th and Wednesday March 31st. It's taping at CBS in Studio City, which isn't too far from Paramount where Angel films.
I'm sure there's a lot of work involved in getting ready to do a pilot, but Aly would be in the general area and could film a quick appearance.
March 24th is her 30th Birthday ********** About Eliza, Tru Calling wraps March 23rd (they're only doing 20 episodes), so she would technically free after that to film Angel.
The seventh and final season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer will be released by Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment on April the 5th. RRP for the set is £79.99.
The six-disc set will contain all twenty-two episodes, in 1.78:1 anamorphic widescreen format, with Dolby Digital 2.0 audio. The discs also contain several bonus features, including commentary tracks for seven episodes: Lessons (by Joss Whedon and David Solomon), Selfless (by Drew Goddard and David Solomon), Conversations With Dead People (by Nick Marck, Jane Espenson, Drew Goddard, Danny Strong and Tom Lenk), The Killer in Me (by David Solomon and Drew Z. Greenberg), Lies My Parents Told Me (by David Fury, Drew Goddard, James Marsters and D.B. Woodside), Dirty Girls (by Drew Goddard and Nicholas Brendon) and Chosen (by Joss Whedon).
Other bonus features include a DVD-Rom Demon Guide (which appeared on the Region 1 Season 5 set); It's Always Been About The Fans featurette (5m), Season 7 Overview: Full Circle (36m), Buffy 101: Studying the Slayer featurette (14m), Generation S featurette (8m), The Last Sundown featurette (9m), outtakes reel, Buffy Wraps featurette (5m) and an Easter Egg [click and highlight to reveal what it is: The Gift montage] http://www.zetaminor.com/news_archive/menu_pages/buffy_s7_menus.htm
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Watch With Kristin - Chat Transcript Monday, March 1, 2004
angllvr33 asks: Anything on Angel? Kristin replies: Still crossing my fingers UPN will pick up our baby!! Coming up this week, Angel and Spike come back from England and Angel will try to contact our girl Willow (hmmm … maybe Alexis’ red-head wish will come true?) and as you know, Fred is no longer Fred but evil, crazy-eyed Illyria. On that note, can I just say I was a MESS after last week’s episode? Those scenes with Fred and Wes were heart-wrenching … as if saying goodbye to the show weren’t sad enough. Ugh. There just isn’t enough Kleenex in the world t -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- youngangelarosie asks: talk angel! Kristin replies: Word is that Adam Baldwin (no relation to the Brothers) will come on the show, stepping into Eve’s role as the liaison to the senior partners. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andrs asks: What more can you tell us about Wonderfalls? I'm intrigued! Kristin replies: It's fantastic! I've seen the first four episodes and love it dearly -- but it's on Friday nights, so it will need all the support you can muster. Wonderfalls is about a girl (newcomer Caroline Dhavernas) who works in a souvenier shop and the tchochkis talk to her ... Is she crazy? Is it God? We don't know. Regardless, she becomes an unwitting do-gooder, sort of like Buffy but without the weaponry and hotpants. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- park450 asks: Did you cry when Fred die? Kristin replies: like a wee babeh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- seba_88 asks: Come on, who would vote for Good Morninf Miami with shows like Angel, and Tru Calling, Miss Match, Arrested Development... I'll just stop before I fully realize of everything we'll losing this season Kristin replies: True dat. I take back the apology.
Posted on Mon, Mar. 01, 2004 TV Gal gives midseason a fresh start BY AMY AMATANGELO
WHERE HAVE I SEEN THEM BEFORE? Eric Balfour, Milo on the first season of "24," Gabe on "Six Feet Under" and Jesse in the pilot episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," is Eddie, Teresa's boyfriend on "The O.C."
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE WEEK
All times listed are EST for Wednesday through Sunday.
The way I see it, Fred can't die on "Angel" (Wednesday, WB, 9 p.m.). Too many women (Tara, Cordy, Anya, Jenny Calendar) have already died on Joss Whedon shows. Although I thought last week's episode was excellent, it is basically a retread of last season's story line. Except that instead of giving birth to a demon, the demon has taken over Fred's body. By the way the campaign over at www.savingangel.org is still going strong. And they have an absolutely fantastic tagline: "We will follow Angel to Hell ... Or Another Network." Keep up the good work, guys.
TO THE TV GAL READER BELONGS THE SPOILS
Gina Torres currently stirring up trouble as Julia on "24" will guest star on the March 11 episode of "CSI." _________________
Exclusive: Angel Producer Talks to IGN FilmForce Will efforts to save the show be for naught?
March 01, 2004 - The WB may have made the decision to put a stake through the heart of Angel but the fans and some WB affiliates aren't letting the series go without a fight. The online petition has now risen above 60,000 signatures and WB affiliates owned by Tribune Broadcasting (including KTLA in Los Angeles and WGN in Chicago) have protested the cancellation. Fans have already started raising money for the renewal effort, something that has Joss Whedon and series co-executive producer Jeff Bell a little worried.
"We had a big fan party," Bell told IGN FilmForce staffer Ken Plume late Friday. "We told people there to please save their hard earned money. We're just telling people, 'Thanks for all your support but please don't spend your money.'"
That's not to say that Bell and others at the Angel production offices aren't supportive of efforts to save the series, such as the packets of hair gel some fans are sending to executives at the WB. "Hair gel... If people want to do what they're doing because it's fun and it makes them feel like they're participating, I'm for it. It's just we're hearing about people raising a lot of money. It's telling that the fans are willing to spend more money saving the show that the WB is willing to spend to have it."
There's a resignation to Bell's voice that immediately tells you he doesn't believe the outlook for the show's future is good. "If there's any shot at all, it's at UPN. That's going to happen strictly on financial reasons for them." If UPN wants the series, the clock is ticking, according to Bell. "I believe there was a ten-day window to the offer and I think that's coming up but I don't know the end date to that. It seems like a long shot. I think we all took it as we are cancelled for next year and if something else happens, fantastic but we've been 'bubble boys' for so many years now so to actually have some knowledge that it's ending and sort of treat it as such is in some ways ... at least we know. It was really difficult last year not knowing and as a show runner trying to keep all my great writers from taking a job that pays them more money on other shows, saying, 'I really think we're coming back, I really think we're coming back.' Luckily we did and I got all those wonderful people to come back.
"I love the show and I love the people we work with. It's been great. They've told us we are cancelled and we're going under that umption until we hear otherwise. It's just too hard not to.
"We took a big budget hit to come back this year and we really struggled to keep our show as cool as we felt it really could be with less money. I don't see it coming back, if anyone else picks it up, with more money. It's probably less again. And I would really hate to keep some sort of corpse alive that was a shadow of what it was just to keep it going. I'd much rather go out on top, with a bang with it being every bit as cool as we can make it. Right now I'm just figuring that episode 22 of this year will be our big finale.
"I don't see how we can make it for a lower price. It would become some other show. I think there are so many factors for the show to come back and to succeed and all those would have to be weighed at the time. So we're really not focusing on that right now, we're just focusing on making the last handful of episodes really cool."
Rumors began cirulating almost immediately about some potential guest stars helping to make those episodes even more cool but, according to Bell, nothing has been finalized in the guest star department just yet. He reports that the cast and crew are keeping their spirits up while still facing the inevitable fate of anyone that works in Hollywood: someday you'll have to look for a new job. "Like everyone else, my agent's out putting my name in the hats around town. Most of us are pretty busy here just trying to keep the ship afloat." So is there any chance that Bell would take a staff writer position at, say, Dark Shadows? Bell laughed at the obvious joke. "You know, I'm thinking I've been on a really great vampire show for three years. And I hear it's not funny."
Meanwhile, there's still work to be done for this season. Regardless of what happens, everyone is under contract to stick around until episode 22 wraps, which will be in mid-April. "There's still mourning but there's a feeling of 'We have to get back to work.' The nice thing is that, by the time we get to the wrap party, it's going to be a really fun party as opposed to finding out a few weeks before we wrap that it's over and there's a sort of dark cloud hanging over it. I think the wrap party's going to be a celebration of five years of a really great TV show.
"We knew we were doing really good shows this year and our [Nielsen] numbers were up. I think what [the WB] said at the 100th [episode] was true in terms of their love for the show and what we've contributed to WB. At the end of the day it really is all about their bottom line and if we don't make [financial] sense to them, they're not going to keep us hanging around. We all appreciate knowing. It's like someone finding out they only have six months to live so every one of those days is going to be precious. For all of us here, we're really enjoying one another and just loving the time we have here. We're just making the most of that."
The WB had mentioned the possibility of television movies in their initial announcement. Does Bell think that is a genuine offer or just a way to deflect criticism? "I do think the WB creatively appreciates Angel and they feel it's one of their best written shows. I think it's a money thing. I think if it makes sense financially they'll do it. And if it doesn't, they won't. I really do think it's as cut and dried as that. There's very little romance left in television." _________________
WB's cancellation of Angel after this season marks the end of a rich era in smart, scary fantasy that began in the spring of 1997, when Joss Whedon's Buffy the Vampire Slayer (from which Angel was spun) helped put the small network on the map. I hope Whedon's crew will have time to deliver a memorable finale, with the prospect of TV-movie adventures to follow — maybe a reunion with Buffy someday? But I foresee a long period of vamp withdrawal, and all I can say is that WB's proposed remake of Dark Shadows for next season had better be good. Trading Angel and Spike for a reincarnation of Barnabas Collins? I don't know what to think.
Sarah Michelle Gellar, former star of TV's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, told SCI FI Wire the reasons she reluctantly pulled out of appearing in the Buffy spinoff Angel earlier this season and left open the possibility that she might still make an appearance, if asked, before Angel winds up its fifth and final season this year on The WB. Gellar, speaking for the first time about the issue, said in an interview that she had to bow out of a planned guest appearance on Angel when her aunt died late last year. Gellar spoke to SCI FI Wire during a break in the filming of her new project, the supernatural horror film The Grudge, in Tokyo.
Her Angel decision was "a really common misconception that people have written a lot about," Gellar said. "They had asked me to do Angel, and it was a very bad time in my personal life. There was a lot going on in my family. And I had to back out. And you sort of never hear the second side of the story. You never hear why I didn't do it. And then all of a sudden, people get really angry, and nobody asks why it didn't work for you." At the time, reports suggested that Gellar had pulled out because she wanted to distance herself from the Buffy franchise.
As for whether she will guest star in Angel's season-ending episodes, much as Angel star David Boreanaz did on Buffy when it wrapped its seven-year run last spring, Gellar said it hinges in part on her schedule. She's finishing the final weeks of 42 days of shooting on The Grudge, with at least nine more shooting days to go. The final Angel episodes are in production now.
"A lot has been written about recently, 'Oh, is she going to do it? Is she not going to do it?'" Gellar said. "Well, to be truthful, I don't know if I'm even going to make it home before they finish. But no one's contacted me. I'll be totally honest. And it depends. I think. I go back and forth on the idea, especially because Angel had such a hard time, in my opinion, always getting out from Buffy's shadow. And it never got to stand on its own. And I would hate for it to go out being about Buffy. It'll all depend on if I'm home in time and what the ideas are."
Buffy and Angel creator Joss Whedon has said he'd welcome an appearance by Gellar. For her part, she said she's open to it, explaining, "If everything falls into place, and it feels like the right thing at the time for the right people."
Ух, ты! Неожиданно. Видимо в конце все они очнутся в той психушке. Или Джосс проснется в совей кровати и скажет «надо меньше есть на ночь приснится же».
Ага, проснется капитан Мал Рейнолдс и подумает: "Что-то мы вчера с отцом Книгой не то съели! И пить меньше надо!", далее взлет Serenity и надпись в небе - до встречи летом 2005-го, cooming soon ))
Universal Gives Serenity the Green Light Source: Universal Pictures Wednesday, March 3, 2004
Joss Whedon - the Oscar and Emmy-nominated writer/director responsible for the worldwide television phenomena of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel - is set to make his feature film directorial debut with the futuristic action-adventure Serenity, it was announced today by Mary Parent and Scott Stuber, vice chairmen, production, Universal Pictures.
Based on Whedon's cult hit television series Firefly (which has taken on a second life following its December 9, 2003, DVD release, winning new fans and critical praise worldwide), Serenity will continue and expand upon the adventures of the memorable characters launched in the series, who will be joined by new characters created expressly for the motion picture adaptation. Whedon will act as both screenwriter and director, with Barry Mendel (The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and the upcoming Wes Anderson film, The Life Aquatic) producing and Chris Buchanan (president of Whedon's Mutant Enemy production company) and Alisa Tager (of Barry Mendel Productions) serving as executive producers. The Serenity cast will include such returning "Firefly" cast members as Nathan Fillion as Captain Malcolm 'Mal' Reynolds, Gina Torres as Zoe Warren, Morena Baccarin as Inara Serra, Jewel Staite as Kaylee Frye, Adam Baldwin as Jayne Cobb, Sean Maher as Dr. Simon Tam and Summer Glau as River Tam.
"We have wanted to be in business with Joss Whedon for a long time and we're incredibly excited to be working with him on his feature film directorial debut," stated Parent and Stuber. "Joss is a true creator, whose talent crosses all mediums. His mythic worlds are inhabited with rich, detailed and very human characters. 'Serenity' will provide him with a great opportunity to paint another larger-than-life canvas with very identifiable, real characters at the heart of the story."
Whedon - whose compelling use of character, place and dramatic development helped "Buffy" and Angel to break down genre walls and cross over into global hit mainstream territory - now applies his trademark compassion and wit to a small band of galactic outcasts 500 years in the future. The film centers around Captain Malcolm Reynolds, a hardened veteran (on the losing side) of a galactic civil war, who now ekes out a living pulling off small crimes and transport-for-hire aboard his ship, "Serenity." He leads a small, eclectic crew who are the closest thing he has left to family -- squabbling, insubordinate and undyingly loyal.
When Mal takes on two new passengers - a young doctor and his unstable, telepathic sister - he gets much more than he bargained for. The pair are fugitives from the coalition dominating the universe, who will stop at nothing to reclaim the girl. The crew that was once used to skimming the outskirts of the galaxy unnoticed find themselves caught between the unstoppable military force of the Universal Alliance and the horrific, cannibalistic fury of the Reavers, savages who roam the very edge of space. Hunted by vastly different enemies, they begin to discover that the greatest danger to them may be on board "Serenity" herself.
На форумах говорят, что съемки начнутся в июне. Думаю, Ведону сейчас не до "Ангела"...
Пришло официальное подтверждение, что UPN отказываются.
March 03, 2004 - In response to a news report at SyFy Portal, sources within Mutant Enemy have confirmed to IGN FilmForce that the UPN network has passed on the option to pick up Angel. No official statement has yet been released from either Mutant Enemy or UPN but from all indications, the series will end with episode 22 of this season.
Fans behind the Save Angel movement have asked fans to stop sending messages to UPN, further indicating that the future of the series is dim. Co-Executive Producer Jeffrey Bell told IGN FilmForce last weekend that any decision by UPN would be based on their financial situation. That situation has been in steady decline over the past several years, partially due to an exceptionally high license fee paid by the network to Fox for the rights to Buffy the Vampire Slayer's final seasons.
As always, stay tuned to IGN FilmForce for any developments on this series.
Рейтинги по-прежнему не поднимаются на уровень трешки, как ни бейся...
zap2it had the average and Smallville's total. WB averaged 3.2 and Smallville got 3.5, so that means Angel got a 2.9 in the fast nationals....
И чтобы не заканчивать на грустном - прикол с ASSB
I am beginning think "grayer universe than BtVS" was a typo.... They do get gayer with every episode,
Текущие результаты Results as of March 04, 2004 The eXoNews Angel Fan Poll will run throughout Season Five of Angel on The WB. Thanks for voting! Tell yer friends! Favorite Season All 48% Season 1 8% Season 2 11% Season 3 16% Season 4 7% Season 5 10%
Favorite Character Angel 49% Buffy 0% Connor 1% Cordelia 19% Darla 1% Doyle 2% Drusilla 0% Eve 0% Faith 0% Fred 2% Gunn 2% Gwen 0% Harmony 1% Lilah 1% Lindsey 1% Lorne 4% Nina 0% Spike 11% Wesley 5% 0% = less than 1%
Favorite Actress Amy Acker 17% Julie Benz 4% Charisma Carpenter 68% Alexa Davalos 0% Eliza Dushku 2% Juliet Landau 1% Sarah Michelle Gellar 2% Mercedes McNab 2% Elisabeth Rohm 1% Stephanie Romanov 3% Sarah Thompson 0% 0% = less than 1%
Favorite Actor David Boreanaz 64% Alexis Denisof 9% Andy Hallett 3% Christian Kane 2% Vincent Kartheiser 1% James Marsters 16% Glenn Quinn 1% J. August Richards 4% 0% = less than 1%
Favorite Big Bad Angelus 20% The Beast 6% Billy 0% Connor 1% Cordelia 2% Darla 9% Drusilla 3% Empath Demon 0% Eve 0% Faith 1% Jasmine 12% Holtz 5% Holland Manners 1% Illyria 0% Lindsey McDonald 8% Lilah Morgan 8% Mohra Demon 0% Polo 0% Spike 10% Vocah 0% Wolfram & Hart 13% 0% = less than 1%
Favorite Episode #1: To Shanshu in LA Season 1 Finale - "Wolfram & Hart raise Darla" Written and Directed by David Greenwalt
#2: I Will Remember You Season 1 - "Buffy visits LA" Writers: David Greenwalt, Jeannine Renshaw Director: David Grossman
#3: You're Welcome Season 5 - "Cordelia awakes" Written and Directed by David Fury
Who Should Return to Angel in Season 5? Andrew 7% Buffy 21% Connor 4% Cordelia 29% Darla 2% Dawn 1% Doyle 3% Drusilla 2% Faith 4% Forrest 0% Giles 4% Glory 0% Groo 1% Gwen 1% Jhiera 0% Kate 1% Kennedy 0% Lilah 3% Lindsey 1% Oz 2% Tara 1% Virginia 0% Willow 11% Xander 3%
Here’s what Rebecca on the saveangel.org forums had to say:
Okay, so I got this off of the City of Angel Forum. I think its not true, but I am going to post it anyway. The person who posted this, posts often, so I know it isn’t spam, I just don’t think its true. So here goes:
"My friend flukie (inside info guy) has informed me that the WB has signed Angel up for a 6th season provided that the rating increase and the pleas to keep angel alive are massing over the 2 million mark so the WB will consider Angel to be its most important asset."
Okay, seriously, I do not know how reliable this is. The guy who wrote it posts often, so I know he is not just spamming the site. Everyone at City of Angel were saying that it was a lot of crap too, but here is what he had to say in response.
"no no joke this is serious my friend know loads of stuff before most people get a wind of it and he’s about 98.6 % accurate on all Angel things."
The WB hasn’t confirmed anything on this yet. Just to let you know. So take it with a grain of salt. I’m not believing anything until it’s been confirmed. I’m not gonna get my hopes up or anything because then I will just be let down even more. Let’s hope this turns out to be true.
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March 5th, 2004, by Sandy, Canada Just a further note, I noticed today on the WB website "Angel will return" message board that the WB is not immediately deleting any posts that refer to fans rallying together to save Angel, the scheduled Rally in LA on March 12th, or references to go and sign the petition. Previously they were deleting any message containing this info right away. When I tested my theory the message I had posted was still on the message board hours later. Also, there were many others directing fans to the save Angel websites, petitions and the LA Rally. I thought this was kind of strange as they were deleting messages with these references immediately before. Maybe this is a sign. http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=3446
Геро, спасибо! Соображения по поводу я положу в Angel: Save As а здесь хочу продублировать ссылки на новые голосовалки. Одна, яхушная - довольно важная. Какое шоу больше всего стоило бы продлить на следующий сезон? Лидирует "Ангел". Стоит поддержать, поскольку это действительно существенный момент, на который могут обратить внимание. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Данные на 23.00 Which of these endangered TV shows would you most like to save? Thanks for voting! 8508 votes to date Angel 38% 3236 votes Ed 9% 801 votes Tru Calling 7% 631 votes Arrested Development 8% 691 votes Boston Public 11% 1014 votes Enterprise 9% 789 votes Miss Match 6% 565 votes One Tree Hill 9% 781 votes
Which of these soon-to-be cancelled Angel actors is most likely to have an acting "afterlife"? David Boreanz (Angel) 25% James Marsters (Spike) 25% Alexis Denisof (Wesley Wyndham Price) 25% Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) 25% Пока все кандидаты идут очень ровно.. Посмотрим, что будет дальше.
Кстати, прочитала где-то, что голосовать за "Ангела" на http://spacecast.com/ можно неоднократно.
Date Posted: 02:46:58 03/07/04 Sun Author: Slop Reilly Author Host/IP: lsanca1-ar10-4-60-168-157.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net / 4.60.168.157 Subject: Possible Finale Information....Spoilerish
I will prefice this by saying that I am highly skeptical of this information because I believe that I heard somewhere that David Fury said that the finale would not film until April. But I am posting this information because if it is true, it is very interesting.
Today I was talking to a member of the "Angel" crew. He said that they have just finished wrapping this season yesterday. The finale was shot, and yes Sarah Michelle Gellar did show up for a surprise cameo. He said that in the finale Angel goes "Godfather" on the Senior Partners and everyone that ever had some sort of evil background. In one particular scene he recounted for me, Lindsey, who has since joined Team Angel and has been working very "closely" with Angel is sent along with Lorne for some reason to finish off killing some demons that are tied to the Senior Partners. After Lindsey kills the demons, Lorne pulls a gun on him. Lindsey tells him that he is now 100% on Angel's side, that he can be trusted, and if he wants he will sing for him to prove his faithfulness. Lorne says he has already heard him sing, and that it was Angel that has ordered his death. Lorne, who has never fired a gun before, then shoots Lindsey in the head killing him. This sets off a montage showing Team Angel excuting anyone that has ever been remotely tied to evil. In the end, Angel and the Fang Gang have taken out all their enemies including the Senior Partners.
This crew member did not tell me if Buffy chose either Spike or Angel. He had no news on any shippage, just that Buffy appears.
Now like I said, take this with a grain of salt. I really do believe that the finale will not film until April, which would make this foilage and not spoilage. Regardless, I posted this because it would be a very interesting ending if they chose to go this way.
Spoilers warning: all of season 4 General Spoilers for season 5
To the Hebrew Version
The Hollywood Highland Complex on Hollywood Boulevard is packed with people, and I'm sitting there on a bench, trying to figure out who among all of them is Andy Hallett. After all, although I googled him for pictures, so far I’ve only known him as Lorne the Host on "Angel", and Lorne is green, with red eyes, and horns. For a moment there, I almost mistake him for a forty-ish, balding Japanese guy, but then the real Andy comes along, and he looks great, and much much taller.a
We go over to a nice restaurant, take a sit, get our cran-apple-tinies from the waitress, and start the interview. Nobody in the entire place, not even the waitress, suspects that Andy here is a primetime TV star, and that seems to suit him just fine.a
So how did you end up doing "Angel"? I ask him, and he gives me a look. "I mean the show", I correct myself. "How did you end up on the show?". Andy smiles and says:a When I first got to LA seven years ago - God, I’ve been here forever - I came with a friend of mine, Dawn, who’s related to Joss Whedon, so I basically got to know him socialy at first. So he watched me and my friends singing at this bar in Holywood, I used to beg him to come to that bar. Make him. It was scary, I mean scary.a
Too sleazy for him?a Well, he likes stuff like that, but there were darts, you could play darts (at the bar) and these were some serious dart players, and the dart board - that was the stupidest arrangement ever, I used to bitch about it to the owner all the time - the board was at the middle of the bar. People are at the dance floor, and then you see a dart flying and you just have to duck, I’m serious. These guys playing darts were old time dart players and there was this guy, Jim, who’s the darts’ champion over there, and he didn’t take it from nobody and if you were in his way, he would just throw the dart anyway.a
What a nice guy! Can I meet him?a Oh, he’s dead. He got clubbed over the head and he’s dead, so no. Unfortunately you can’t talk to him, no. So Joss developed this idea and I saw him in the airport, and he was like "What do you think of coming and auditioning for this part?" and he told me straight up, he said "I was inspired by you", so that was nice, but he also said "That doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll get It", because I didn’t have any experience.a
So if somebody else got the part you were the inspiration for, wouldn’t that just suck?a I would have been PISSED. I would be watching the show every week going like - "@#%$ @#%$!", So I auditioned, and then I had to audition again and again, and then I got the part. I was only supposed to appear a couple of times, like two or three times.a
But people went crazy for you.a Yeah, which was great. Really really great.a
Are you at all bothered by the fact you have this role in which you’re covered in prosthetics and make up-a Yes!a
and people can’t recognize you? I finish my question.a No, that part is good. I like that, that anonymity thing.a
You get the best of both worlds.a Yes.a
But the make-up is a bitch?a A BITCH! A bitch, whore, slut. I HATE the make-up!a
Do you at least enjoy the time you spend with the make-up artist?a Dane is really good. He’s a true professional; he’s won Emmy awards for his make-up and stuff. Dane is cool, it’s just that this make-up procedure takes a long time and I can’t sit still for two seconds. And also, it's usually in a stupid hour of the day.a
Like 4 a.m?a Yes. I’ve never been a morning person. Never ever ever.a
As you probably already discovered yourselves, Andy’s mind tends to wonder a little. Behind every fairly simple question lays an informative, interesting-beyond-expectations answer. He loves to talk and it definitely shows, but at this point I decide we’ve had enough with the small talk, and cut straight to the good stuff.a
What do you think about James joining the cast in the fifth season? Do you like what he brought to the show?a Yes. James has a huge following with the ladies, huh? A lot of the fans followed him to the show. He also added a lot of action scenes to the show and his character has a lot of history, which creates a deeper story line. And it also gave us a chance to work with new people, new faces, so that’s always fun too.a
When did you find out that Cordelia is never coming back on the show, and how did you feel about that?a I guess I found out in April or May but I don’t really remember vividly. I just remember being at home, in Cape Code, at my parent's house - to hear the news about the show - and then finding out that we got picked for a fifth season but Cordelia was not going to be in the mix. And I remember being surprised, but I also knew she was pregnant and having a child, and that she probably wanted to spend time with her child.a
She did appear to be surprised about the news herself. I mean, do you really believe it was her decision?a I honestly don’t know. I know she wanted to spend more time being able to raise the child, because the way her schedule was prior to that - she couldn’t have. It just takes so long to shoot this stuff. So LONG. To shoot one show is eight days, and it’s eight long, long days, and it’s exhausting. So I can see how one would want not to be doing both at the same time. But I think that Joss and those guys also thought that her character had come to a... I don’t know, that she had reached a plateau or whatever, but I didn’t see that and I don’t think that a lot of the fans saw that, so I was really surprised. But I LOVE her. She’s one of those girls that... she’s in charge, she’s a powerful person. She’ll let you know right away if something’s bothering her on the set.a
So she’s kinda really like Cordy?a Yeah, in a way. But not the bitchy part. Just very direct and has a powerful presence about her.a
Now with Cordy gone, you hardly have any female characters on the show (except for Fred). How do you feel about that?a I don’t notice it that much because a lot of my scenes have women in them. And we have Mercedes Mcnab, who’s funny and great. I love her.a
What do you think about the changes in the fifth season - the new format, new locations?a I LOVE the new locations! It makes it a lot more fun. It’s a bigger set and just… well, new. But it’s also hot as balls in there (you can print that). In between takes, I have to go and stand next to the air condition units, because I get so hot and can melt. It’s ridiculous. But aside from that, the new sets are the bomb! I just don’t know if that was the right story arc. To me, it’s like we say we’re going in to change it (Wolfram & Hart), but the place is so evil that... I don’t know.a
Andy has obviously put a lot of thought into the matter, yet finding the exact words seems difficult for him. I'm not sure whether or not to press the issue, thinking that I have trouble putting my finger on the problem myself. Plus, the show may be cancelled, but I wouldn’t want to mess with the writers, nor would he. I try to change the subject into a more cheery, colorful one, and strike gold.a
What’s your favorite episode?a Vegas.a
Well, you can't get more colorful then Vegas. "The House Always Wins"?a Yes. That’s my favorite. Favorite-favorite-favorite! Not because it was all about ME, but because we got to go on location to Las Vegas. When we go on location, it’s usually around here, like an old house, or a gas station, so that was fun. And I’ve always wanted to have like a Vegas show, so it's like a real Vegas show, except that all the people sitting in the audience were getting paid to be there.a
Remember the scene where Joss played your brother and did that ridiculous Dance of Joy? How could you keep a straight face during the shoot - in other words, how many takes did it take?a A lot! But I didn’t know it was him. He was keeping it a secret.a
Do you think knowing it would have made it funnier?a No, I knew after a little while, but HE wanted it to be a big surprise, so he even had his make-up done in another make-up trailer. And I remember, cause the make-up artists were having to cater for his needs, so the whole time I was in make-up I kept hearing "We’ve got to do Namphar over at the brown trailer" and I’m thinking "Who the @#%$ is this Namphar? And why is HE getting special treatment, more than I am?", And then we went to a rehearsal, which was out in the woods, and I was late and they were waiting for me. And usually before rehearsals I go up to the other actors and introduce myself, but I was late this time, so I couldn’t. And then I saw Namphar and he did his dance and I thought "Oh my god! Who IS this guy?" I thought he was trash. And... how did I find out? Umm...a
He yelled "CUT!"?a He smiles, Yeah, right. That’s very funny... I was standing with David Boreanez, and he was like "Oh my god! Do you know who that is?", and he told me, and Joss was really pissed that David told me.a
По финалу... слухи о том, что Линдси окажется, в конце концов, на стороне Ангела, все время бегают по Сети, но вот такой финал.. Хм, как там в "Крестном отце"? Пора выходить на широкую дорогу против Старших Партнеров? Но если правда про СМГ, то я буду только рада )
I sent 3 emails to Sky Tv in the UK last week and i have just got a reply back. As people know Sky One show all new episodes of Angel here in the UK so i wanted to know what they thought about Angel being canceled and what they knew about it. I asked several questions about Angel and they have replied to each of them. Here is the reply i got :
Thank you for your email, we are glad to hear you are enjoying the new season of Angel on Sky One .
Here at Sky One we too where suprised by the decison to cancel Angel after its current season. Angel has always been one of our more popular programs with a loyal and passionate fan base.
To answer your question yes Sky have been in contact with both the producers of the show and the American based broadcast network The WB and we are told that discussions are going ahead behind closed doors to try and secure a sixth season of Angel but unfortunantly we are not privy to the information from these discussions.
Sky One have assured the producers of the show they have our 100% support and we intend to continue showing Angel on our channel should an agreement be made to secure another season.
As to your question of other networks picking up the show, unfortunantly we do not have information on this but be assured everything is being done to try and bring Angel back to Sky One next year.
One source claims that she has contacted the producers of Angel about reprising her famous role as Buffy.
Last week, the Entertainment Reporter on the WPIX New York Morning News announced that Sarah Michelle Gellar had contacted the producers of Angel about guest-starring on one upcoming episode. If you've read the episode twenty sides, this information would tie in nicely with the summary.
Many thanks to Agent Extremis at the Slayerverse newsgroup for the update.
Скорее всего, бездарный пересказ интервью из Sci-fi , но кто знает...
И в связи с этим уже проводится голосовалка, причем на солидном сайте:
If Sarah Michelle Gellar reunites with leading men David Boreanaz and James Marsters for the series finale of Angel, with which vamp should Buffy ride off into the daybreak?
* Angel. C'mon, this isn't even a contest. He's the tall, dark and toothsome hunk who taught her how to, ahem, neck — and you never forget your first time. He's the Chosen One's chosen one.
* Spike. William the Bloody went to hell and back to acquire a conscience, and he did so for the love of one woman: Buffy. What's more, while Angel's dark side now is reflected mainly in his wardrobe, Spike wears his naughtiness on his sleeve. So in him, the Slayer has the best of both worlds — a good guy who's also a bad boy.
To find out the results, pick up the March 27 issue of TV Guide magaine, on sale starting March 22.
Геро, если ты сочтешь нужным, перенеси голосовалку в другой раздел или топик.
Васкес, спасибо за ссылки )) Голосовалка пусть будет тут, все равно про СМГ пока что спойлер ) Но Баффи с фонариком на фотке возле голосования - это что-то )
Очень интересное радиошоу Talk of the Nation при участии Роберты Пирсон, Брюса Кемпбелла *как говорят в Сети и я присоединяюсь - скучаю по "Бриско Каунти, младшему"!!!!!* и Джосса, топаете по ссылке, а потом там нажимаете на другую ссылку, выскакивает проигрыватель, быстренько загружается все и можно слушать )) http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=3527
Sky One is saddened by the news that the current fifth season of Angel will now be the last to air.
Angel has, and continues to be, a hugely popular show with Sky One viewers and we are disappointed not to be able to bring a sixth series to the UK.
Unfortunately, the decision not to commission another season is with the network in question and beyond our influence.
Sky One continues to strive to bring the best in US drama and sci-fi to the UK and, while a sixth season of Angel will be missed, the remaining episodes and finale, in a season which has proved to be one of the best ever, will undoubtedly contribute strongly to the legacy of the show.
Finally, we would like to thank everyone for their support for both Angel and Sky One.
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A week after the WB network announced that it wJould not renew the show Angel for another season, hundreds of fans of the series turned out in Los Angeles to attend the Wolfram & Hart Annual Review. The event - a fundraiser that raised $18,000 for the Al Wooten Junior Heritage Foundation - also attracted cast and crew from Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Joss Whedon's critically acclaimed (but still cancelled) Firefly.
Despite several amusing interruptions from Firefly's show runner Tim Minear, our roving reporter managed to snag a few of the on-hand celebs to answer some quick Popgurls questions.
Julie Benz Role in the Buffyverse: Darla on both Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel
POPGURLS: If you could write an episode in this universe, who would you kill off and who would your character sleep with?
I would sleep with Angel and Spike together, then I would have to kill myself at the end. It would be too much.
Tim Minear "kindly and graciously" interrupts the interview to talk to Julie. He asks her to consider doing one of his upcoming projects. Perhaps we'll see her on an upcoming episode of Fox's Wonderfalls? Mr. willa stands by patiently.
POPGURLS: If you could play a different character for just one episode, who would it be and why?
I would play Joss Whedon. It would be really amazing to live with that mind and creativity. And he doesn't have to wear any prosthetics.
David Fury Role in the Buffyverse: Writer, Director and Producer for both Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, and the guy who "got the mustard out" in the BtVS musical "Once More With Feeling"
POPGURLS: If you could change one story line over the course of the series what would it be and why?
I would probably not have raised Cordelia to turn her into a higher power with great wisdom. All the fun of her character came from her ability to speak the truth and be funny, that's where her wisdom came from.
Tim Minear interrupts David to declare that the most pompous answer he's ever heard. The two bicker good-naturedly, while Mr. willa stands by.
POPGURLS: Name one Angel episode that you felt was unfairly vilified by the fans.
I'm going to say "Apocalypse, Nowish" by virtue of the Cordelia/Connor hook up.
James C. Leary Role in the Buffyverse: Played the demon Clem on Buffy The Vampire Slayer
POPGURLS: If you could write an episode in this universe, who would you kill off and who would your character sleep with?
I would sleep with Faith and I would kill off....Spike. We would have a big Kung Fu fight. He wouldn't be able to get through my folds. That would be my secret weapon.
POPGURLS:If you could play a different character for an episode who would it be and why? I would be Tara so I would be able to make out with Willow.
Mere Smith Role in the Buffyverse: Writer, Angel
POPGURLS: If you could change one story line over the course of the series what would it be and why?
I think making Cordy goody goody, because she then became saintly, and saints aren't fun!
POPGURLS: Name one episode that you felt was unfairly vilified by the fans.
"Hero." That was a great episode, but because of the end result, [Doyle's death], people were up in arms about it.
Jonathan M. Woodward Role in the Buffyverse: The characters Knox on Angel, Holden Webster on Buffy the Vampire Slayer (and also Tracey on Firefly)
POPGURLS: If you could write an episode of Firefly, who would you kill off and who would your character sleep with?
I think Tracey should sleep with Jayne and then kill him off.
Tim Minear interrupts, finally realizing that it's become a habit. Mr. willa stands by patiently.
POPGURLS: If you could change one thing about any of your characters for an episode, what would it be?
I would totally take a crack at Willow, because she is awesome
И напоследок - что бы это ни значило...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4459672/ David Boreanaz was spotted getting a spray-on tan at an strip mall on L.A.’s Sunset Boulevard, says a source. . . .
Just weeks after the drama series Angel celebrated its 100th episode, fans were stunned to hear it had been quietly cancelled by the Warner Bros network. But for its star, David Boreanaz, it was not all bad news after five seasons of playing TV’s vampire with a soul.
Were you shocked or surprised when you heard the show was cancelled? I really wasn’t shocked or surprised. This is the way the business is. Like I said when I started the show, I worked on scene to scene, show to show. My commitment to it was 22 episodes each season, and when that’s done I’d consider it over. So it was actually a big relief for me and, personally, it gave me a big sense of freedom. I felt like a big weight had been lifted from my shoulders.
Why is that? When you do 100 episodes and you’re carrying a show, it’s a lot of pressure. People rely on you for their jobs – the camera people, the craft services people, the lighting people. Yet you really owe it to yourself to examine what’s right and what’s wrong for you as an artist. I don’t owe anybody anything – I owe myself and my family. So for me, I feel like, ‘Oh, I don’t have to hold that cross anymore.’ As heavy as it may be or as light as it may be, it’s not a negative. It’s a good thing!
How did you feel about the petition to save the show? I felt bad for the fans. When the producers took the show and re-tooled it in a way that took it in a different direction, it should have been the responsibility of the network to put a keen interest into it during that time. So I don’t think they handled it in the classiest way. And the fans are the people the network really screwed over.
Will you keep any of the props or memorabilia from the show? I’ll keep a few things, but nothing major. There aren’t any of (Angel’s) suits I’d wear.
You came back for the end of Buffy. Could Sarah Michelle Gellar come back for the Angel finale? If it happened it would be great, but I’m not generally in favour of “reunions” because there is no reason to go back. It took a lot to get me to do Buffy. At one point I really didn’t want to do it, but as a favour to Sarah I did it.
Is your wife (actress Jaime Bergman) pleased you’ll be home more with her and your son? She’s not home that much either now her career is starting to bite. But I do hope to be home more with my wife and son because I’m not on set for nine months of the year. That is one thing about the show I won’t miss.
И последняя новость: в пятницу, 19 марта, СМГ (вместе со съемочной группой "Скуби-Ду-2") придет в шоу Райана Сикреста. Интересно, будут ли вопросы про "Ангела"?
А это ссылочка для фанов "Светляка". Первые подробности
Интересно, что ДБ говорит так, словно он даже доволен тем, что шоу закончится. Что это - денайл, или он действительно устал? А у меня тут забавные Q&A Мэтта Руша
Question: I was just wondering: In the wake of the incredibly bad news about Angel being canceled, which show do you consider the stupidest too-early cancellation ever? Not counting Angel of course, which, IMO, makes it to the top of the list. Murder One? My So-Called Life? EZ Streets? Anybody but me remember The Monroes? Some other show? I'm really curious to hear your answer on this. — Erana Z.
Matt: I think Angel and Farscape will always be charter members of this club — each coming so close to fulfilling a full run, yet cut at least a year short by small-minded bean counters — but of all the notorious and short-sighted cancellations of shows ahead of their time, I think ABC's treatment of My So-Called Life tops the list. ABC let that one go just before the WB craze of teen angst-dramas kicked in. ABC has been kicking itself over this one ever since. ABC has a number of shows that qualify for this dishonor: Nothing Sacred, last season's Miracles (which didn't even really get a chance), Homefront, to name a few. If memory serves, The Monroes was also on ABC, but the main thing I remember about that show was a very fun dinner I shared with Susan Sullivan and William Devane in Washington, D.C. The most obscure short-lived show that I still pine for was a grim crime drama, sort of a weekly Silence of the Lambs creepfest on NBC, called Unsub, which lasted a couple of months back in 1989. I thought that show rocked. Predated The X-Files and, of course, CSI. I wonder if it would have caught on nowadays. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: After watching the last few episodes of Angel, I see again why I love Joss and crew. The human experience is fair game for them: love and loss, relationships and weakness (the scenes of Gunn in the hospital reminded me so much of Wesley's time in the hospital). I was shocked that they allowed Wesley and Fred to finally get together, only to kill her off before the two of them could even start a relationship. Although I know that Amy Acker is (supposedly) staying on the show, I am not sure I agree with the decision to change her character. Joss killed off Cordelia a few weeks ago and now he has killed off Fred. It's bound to tick a few (translation: a lot of) people off. It seems a little hard for the cast to take right now. — Ricky
Matt: There's no pleasing everyone, that's for sure, and as you'd expect, I got quite a few letters from fans who were anguished and angered at the loss of yet another female hero on the show. I would probably be more upset if the episodes hadn't been so moving. Loss, grieving, redemption — all pretty heavy themes that the Joss Whedon shows have been so expert at depicting over the years. I ran hot and cold on the character of Fred over the seasons, but I really felt the impact of this character's mythic death. I'm intrigued by the addition of Illyria, who's kind of like Buffy's Anya in being an ancient formerly demonic character and sort of like Next Generation's Data in being fascinated by this strange creature known as human. The idea that as she/it evolves, she might grow to appreciate the "shell" she inhabits kind of works for me. But I won't argue with those who are dismayed that the only recurring female presences on the show right now are a ditz (Harmony, who is hilarious) and a failed vixen (Eve). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: I have a question, or rather an observation, about 24. Does it seem as strange to you as it does to me that for some reason this season all of the African-American characters seem to be on one side of the plotline, while all of the other Caucasian (for lack of a better word) characters seem to be on the other? This is not to imply that this was calculated in some way or even that there's anything wrong with that if it was, but it just struck me as oddly coincidental. What are your thoughts? On a side note, as someone who's been an avid Joss Whedon fan since the beginning of Buffy, I wanted to throw in my two cents' worth on Angel ending. It seems to me like there might have been some residual political fallout and resentment from the 2001 WB-Fox negotiations for Buffy, which ended with Buffy moving to UPN. As I remember, those negotiations were quite contentious and Joss said in interviews that he never felt as uncomfortable with the "corporate" aspect of creating television as he was then. Do you think that could have played a part in the WB's cancellation of Angel? — Alex G.
Matt: In order: I've seen the next episode of 24, which doesn't air until March 30, and all I'll say is that by the end of that story, the Palmer and CTU storylines are better integrated, although geographically, the president is still isolated in his office. I don't think the problem with the Palmer storyline in the first half of the season was racial segregation of characters, but a total lack of urgency in any of the intrigue — until Sherry was called out of bed to work her mojo. I have always liked the fact that the characters in Palmer's world just happen to be African-American, and it isn't startling that it would also include his advisers and financial backers. I'm just glad he's getting involved in the main story; up to now, he's felt awfully and boringly tangential. As for the Angel renewal situation, you may be right that the bitter negotiations that led to Buffy leaving WB for UPN may have doomed Angel's chances of ever making it past the five-year mark. If that's the case, shame on everyone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: I just want to say that, unlike the rest of your letter writers, I applaud all of the recent cancellations and rumors thereof on network TV. Since we started dating, my husband and I have enjoyed watching Buffy, Angel and Star Trek (any incarnation) together as date nights. Now that our family is growing and we have less and less free time, the networks have made it easy for us to turn off the tube and enjoy family time together. No more Angel? Cheers! No more Buffy? Even better. No more Friends and Enterprise? That's almost four hours of quality family time that will be spent reading books and not looking at expensive advertisements. West Wing taking a downturn in quality? Thank goodness, since I used to be riveted to the TV every Wednesday and haven't watched an episode since Zoe was rescued with poor writing and no suspense. I almost got hooked on Firefly last season and Karen Sisco this season, but the networks took that decision away from me. Thank you! If it weren't for Judging Amy and Gilmore Girls, I'd let my husband get rid of our TVs altogether, which is his wish. Thank you WB (Angel), UPN (Buffy/Enterprise), Fox (Firefly), NBC (West Wing, Friends), ABC (Sisco, Cupid), and CBS for giving us quality family time and removing temptation. Yours truly, T. I. Cheek — Ruth G.
Matt: Tongue in cheek, maybe, but the bitterness comes through loud and clear. As the networks continue to wonder where all the viewers have gone, especially if and when the reality bubble finally bursts, they'll only have themselves to blame.
Не думаю, что Дэвид устал от шоу, просто уже который год его мучают вопросами, что вы думаете о прикрытии вашего шоу. Думаю, это единственный вежливый ответ, который он мог дать, зная щепетильность Дэвида в таких вопросах. А что касается голосования, то я там уже засветилась, отдала свой голос сами знаете за кого - за брюнета, конечно.
И статья про Лорна Самое смешно, что даже Энди Халлетт сам говорит, что он не уверен в том, какой ориентации Лорн и вообще считает, что Лорн асексуален, а тут прямо такая вот заявочка ) http://www.ssonet.com.au/showarticle.asp?ArticleID=2962
A Demon Named Lorne
The single most intriguing gay character on television right now is green, has horns, can survive when beheaded and loves singing showtunes.
By Tim Benzie
The single most intriguing gay character on television right now is green, has horns, can survive when beheaded and loves singing showtunes.
Lorne (Andy Hallett) is a demon character on Angel, a Buffy spin-off that is tragically in its final season. He’s a minor character on a fairly low-rating show in a late timeslot, but in a television universe filled with all-too-real gay renovators and fashionistas, Lorne shines like a glittery shining thing on National Shine Day. (We’re talking about Buffy now, so there’ll be more of this sort of talk.)
Angel premiered in 1999 and chronicles the crimefighting efforts of Angel (David Boreanaz), a vampire cursed with a soul and thus major guiltage (see?). Through four seasons Angel enlisted his own Scooby gang to join his convoy to redemption, including Lorne: a sensitive, artistic, camp and charming "empath demon" who can read people’s souls when they sing karaoke
The joy of Buffy was its use of metaphor, and creator Joss Whedon has kept the spirit alive (and occasionally undead) in Angel. For some of us, high school was hell and the jocks were evil. In Buffy, Sunnydale High is literally on the mouth of hell and the jocks are evil demons, vampires, cunningly disguised inter-dimensional wraiths, and sometimes all of the above.
It’s no biggie then to learn in episode 42 of Angel ("Over The Rainbow") that Lorne hails from a parallel universe where his skills were rejected because Pylea has no music. On Earth he’s much more at home: in the latest season Lorne is a showbiz agent, and in episode 89 he pitches a show "that’s like Joanie Loves Chachi meets The Sorrow And The Pity. It’s Joanie Loves Pity".
Lorne rules, even if strictly speaking he isn’t, like, totally gay. He has called Angel "sugar-pie" and "a big hunk of hero sandwich", but also dubbed Cordelia "a perky love-muffin" and "hot-a-rama", as Whedon wanted to keep Lorne swinging (but not "asexual", thank Gawd).
But he’s no sissy either. In last week’s episode, Lorne had "his sleep removed" while organising a Halloween party (as one does), which had the unfortunate side effect of releasing his subconscious self, anthropomorphised. Lorne’s inner self was an angry, enormous brute and showed everybody that this crazy and undeniably queer demon meant (show) business.
Stuff Will & Grace. I want the horny devil with the heavenly tones.
Claudia's Ghost wrote: I got as form letter from Joss Whedon today!I am not kidding. He thanked me for the contribution I made to the American Heart Association.It is a really funny form letter but there are blank spaces where he was written in my real name *Wendy* and then he says because of my contribution Buffy and Spike will always remain together.Then he signs it with his huge signature. On the line where Spike's name is written he has crossed out Snyder,It's very cute and funny , but he is serious when he says thankyou.The really cool thing is Joss is recognising how important a contribution to charity is. He took some time to fill in the form letter personally and sign it. I think this shows what is the *best* way to reach ME with a message and it's not with an expensive ad. I am sure anyone else who gave to the AHA will get a similar letter too.
The letter has the Mutant Enemy logo on the top with a picture of the little monster that walks across the screen. It is like a form letter with places to fill in the blank. The blanks were filled in by hand.
Dear _________,
Thank you so much for your contribution to the American Heart Type People. It was really you, _____________, who made all the difference. Everyone else was lame. That's why I am sending this personal letter to you and only you. It is your contribution that means Buffy and ___________ will stay together no matter what. Kudos!
Хм, что-то мне кажется, что это очередная попытка подбросить хворосту в войну Бангелов со Спаффи, правда, принимал ли в этом участие сам Джосс? Впрочем, чего только в этом мире не бывает
Из новенького...фото ДБ дома - посмотрите, не пожалеете, домик у товарища отменный, дизайнеры поработали))) Новое промофото пятого сезона "Ангела", куда потеряли Ганна и Лорна - загадка природы Фото Джули Бенц
И на Слеерверсе сделали неплохой подбор цитат по вышедшим сериям пятого сезона, которые можно почитать здесь
Loy Yver, согласна. Головные уборы ему как то не очень к лицу. Особенно кепка, он сразу становистся похож на гостя с солнечного юга. А гитара ему зачем? Неужели музицирует или так поставил в качестве доплнительной детали интерьера?
Только что писала биографию ДБ - он играет на гитаре и барабанах, на последних, кстати, его научил играть покойный Гленн Куинн. А вот с датой рождения у меня загвоздка - IMDB утверждает, что он 1971 года, а Totally David Boreanaz - 1969. И пойми их после этого )
Геро, спасибо за фото! Промо - очень забавно: с каких это пор Спайк выше Уэса стал?
Фото ДБ: кепка действительно делает его похожим на кавказца. А вот насчет свитера я не поняла: заплатки на рукавах - это стильное дизайнерское решение или как? Причем, если присмотритесь, увидите, что на плече свитерочек явно расходится по шву...
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) -- The third "Scooby-Doo" live action movie is already in the planning stages even before the release of "Scooby Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed" next week (Friday, March 26). But, producers confirm that the actors could be different from the current star-studded cast of crime-busters in Mystery Inc. "We could do this without one or two of the actors playing the roles," says Richard Suckle, who produced the first two Scooby movies for Warner Bros. and oversaw the look of the computer-animated dog. "It's a good thing we have Scooby under contract, though."
Producer Charles Roven tells Zap2it.com, "We have one or two of the team not committed to the next movie yet, but we're still working on the second, It's too early to talk about the third."
However, Zap2it has confirmed that Matthew Lillard, as Shaggy, and Linda Cardellini, as Velma, are already on board for the third Scooby film. So is director Raja Gosnell, and screenwriter James Gunn, who wrote the first two films, is already working on the next installment.
"It's about the characters, not the personalities," the director says about the cast he handpicked for "Scooby-Doo" and "Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed." Gosnell was surprised to discover that Freddie Prince Jr., playing Fred, wasn't giving interviews to Internet press, and Sarah Michelle Gellar, who plays Daphne, wasn't talking to any press for Scooby.
"I can't get into Freddie's mind, I'm sorry," says the director.
Sources on the "Scooby 2" Vancouver set have told Zap2it that the real-life couple Gellar and Prince were demanding of the crew and uncooperative with press invited to the set during filming.
'Firefly' feature alights 03/21/2004 Sat Mar 20, 7:00 PM ET
Gabriel Snyder, STAFF
Last month, Universal greenlit "Serenity," a feature based on Joss Whedon's TV show "Firefly," which Fox canceled in 2002 after airing only 11 episodes. The film biz is filled with adaptations of hit TV series, such as "Charlie's Angels" and "Starsky & Hutch." But it's rare when a feature is based on a nonhit, such as the six-episode "Naked Gun" and the never-aired-pilot "Mulholland Dr." In each of those cases, the pics featured the original contributors of series -- and went on to significant bigscreen success. "Serenity" is hoping to similarly rewrite the TV-to-film rules. But then, breaking the rules is familiar territory to Whedon, who created the series and will direct the film. Five years after the 1992 film "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" opened to ho-hum box office, he used the material to create a TV show that became a seven-year hit and even spawned a spinoff, "Angel." Now he's reversing that process with "Serenity." While Universal's decision may seem like an eyebrow-raiser, it's closer to a no-brainer: The risk is modest, and the rewards could be plentiful. With a first-time director and no pricey stars (Adam Baldwin (news), Morena Baccarin (news), Sean Maher), the pic is a bargain, particularly for a sci-fi actioner: under $40 million. Most of it will be shot on stages on the U lot. The handful of locations will be in the L.A. area. In addition, "Firefly" has a loyal fan base. A number of Internet fan sites, such as CHUD.com www.CHUD.com continue to dissect "Firefly," follow Whedon's career and swap series action figures. "If you strike a chord with fans of science-fiction adventure, they're never going away," Whedon says. This would seem to ensure a built-in audience for "Serenity" at the box office and afterward. The "Firefly" DVD has sold a surprising 200,000 copies since it was released last December. (The release fortuitously came out while U execs were debating greenlighting the pic.) Underlying the deal was U's desire to be in business with Whedon. His shingle, Mutant Enemy, has an exclusive television deal with Fox and no motion picture deal. U execs, particularly vice chair Mary Parent, had been trying to figure out a way to work with Whedon for years. Fox had touted "Firefly" for its 2002 season as a show that could potentially fill the sci-fi gap in its sked created by the end of the aging "X-Files" franchise. The concept was to set an ensemble of characters familiar from Westerns (the noble outlaw, the hard-scrabble preacher, the practical prostitute) in outer space 500 years in the future. But just 11 of the 14 "Firefly" episodes produced made it to air. Interrupted by baseball and dropped for November sweeps (much to Whedon's chagrin), the show never caught on with a big enough audience to justify its 8 p.m. Friday slot (the show averaged a 2.1 rating and a 7 share; it also briefly ran at 9 p.m.). Just before Christmas, Fox pulled the plug, using "Fastlane," which would itself later be yanked, as a replacement. After the cancellation, Whedon sat down with Chris Buchanan, the president of his production company, and his longtime agent Chris Harbert of CAA and started brainstorming how they could keep the project alive. Per-episode production costs were high. They mulled cable and tossed around the idea of a miniseries. The very last idea on their list was turning to a movie studio to make a feature version. So Universal stepped in, purchased "Firefly" rights from Fox and gave it a greenlight. Thus, U and Whedon are fulfilling the fantasy of every TV writer who has had a show canned after just a few episodes. "You have no idea what this means to writers," Whedon says. "You took something you love and you got a second shot. Do you know how often that happens to writers? Never."
появилась в Houston Chronicle. KristenLuvsSpike со Спарклей перепечатал ее и разрешила переносить на другие форумы. Here we go...
"Angel flies to TNT in reruns"
By Kare O'Hare Zap2it
Although he felt that Angel could go on "to season 6 and beyond", JM will likely depart the show at the end of this season as one happy actor. In mid-Feb, execs at The WB chose not to renew AtS for another year, so the Buffy spinoff comes to a close in May after 5 season and a little over 100 episodes. After Buffy ended last year, Marsters brought himself and his character, the Britpunk vampire Spike, over to AtS, which also airs weekdays in reruns on TNT. "I felt like, over on Buffy, I was at a feast where my plate was smaller than everyone else's," Marsters says, in an interview conducted before the cancellatioan announcement. "If you counted the pages, Spike averaged about 3 pages an episode, and that had to do with just getting him in the room more than anyghing else. I'm not complaining. I'm surprised they were able to fit that character in at all." "But, I also felt like, 'Everyone else has got all these beautiful, wonderful jokes and great plays on words' What I got was fabulous----I just wanted to act more, I wanted to be here more. "Now they've heaped my plate so full that I'm stretched to the breaking point. It's everything that I dreamed of. Now, the other side's starting to look sweet. Boy, I was well rested back then." After slowly changing from Buffy's (SMG) foe to her reluctant ally to her eventual love interest, Spike sacrificed himself to save the world in the series finale. But Angel wanted him too, so Spike's sojourn into the Great Beyond was cut short. He soon appeared---1st in ghostly form, then later corporeal---in the LA office of the evil law firm Wolfram & Hart, now being run by Spike's mentor, nemesis and cheif rival for Buffy's affections, the do-gooder vampire Angel (DB). So the only 2 vamps w/ souls (and therefore consciences and moral compasses) became very reluctant allies in the fight against evil---that is, when they weren't fighting w/each other. Marsters wasn't all that nuts about being a ghost for several episodes at the beginning of the season. "Techinically, it was really a pain, frankly, setting up those shots where you go through a wall. It burns a lot of the day, and it takes away from acting, which is what I'm here for." "Angel, in his evil, pre-soul days, taught young vampire Spike how to live the bloodsucker's life, which was a far cry from his mortal existence as William, a tortured Victorian poet. "Spike is a bit of a doppelganger for Angel," Marsters says, "and so, functionally, it was good to start on the thematic level, an almost human level, as opposed to just rocking it out w/ a huge fight right off the bat." Forced to talk instead of fighting, the 2 characters got a chance to work out their differences. "It's an older bro/younger bro thing," Marsters says. "That's how it feels. At the point when William met Angel, he was everything you'd want to be. He was cool; he was dark; he was mysterious." "You get the sense with William that he didn't really have a strong father figure in his life, so he looked up to Angel pretty quickly." Although no one but the writers know how the show will ultimately end (and The WB is talking about doing TV movies), Marsters has a specific goal for his character. "What I hope can happen for Spike is that he will impact Angel & send him on a forver more interesting arc towrds redemption. It's Angel's show. It will not work any other way."
Интересно, что заптуитовский автор сделал материал для региональной газеты... Положу-ка я копию в раздел Acting
Favorite Actor David Boreanaz 45% James Marsters 41%
Favorite Episode #1: I Will Remember You Season 1, Episode 8 - "Buffy visits LA" Writers: David Greenwalt, Jeannine Renshaw Director: David Grossman #2: Damage Season 5, Episode 11 - "Dana the psycho slayer" Writers: Steven S. Deknight and Drew Goddard Director: Jefferson Kibbee
#3: You're Welcome Season 5, Episode 12 - "Cordelia awakes" Written and Directed by David Fury (процентного соотношения нет) Кстати, кто еще не проголосовал?
Кое-что от Джосса и TV Guide по поводу СМГ: Sarah Michelle Gellar's deal to resurrect Buffy the Vampire Slayer in the May 19 series finale of Angel is all but signed in blood: "If she's available, she'll do it," her manager promises.
As a result, viewers may finally learn who the Chosen One's ... um, chosen one.
"Definitely, the question of Angel versus Spike looms large in Buffy's mind and in the minds of fans," says Joss Whedon, who created both shows. "But I'm not saying whether or not I have decided to answer it."
What Whedon may mean is that he hasn't decided how he will answer it -- regardless of Gellar's involvement or how neatly the loose ends are tied up.
"Angel and Spike will ultimately feel some kind of resolve about their conflict over Buffy," he insists, adding quickly that the tug-of-war over Sunnydale's stake-driving heroine will not rule the episode.
"It won't be all about that."
We'll bite If the long-running love triangle won't be the focus, what will the episode be about?
"The whole point of Angel is the idea of the fight and how it never stops," Whedon hints. "The finale was always meant to be open-ended in some respect. That doesn't mean I won't kill everybody, but I might not (explain) why."
In the meantime, Whedon will be welcoming back some other familiar faces.
Michelle Trachtenberg is in talks to reprise her role as Buffy's kid sis Dawn for an early May episode that will also feature the toothsome tag team of Julie Benz (Darla) and Juliet Landau (Dru).
But let's face it -- Gellar is the "get" that any apocalypse has got to have.
"Look, she either wants to or she doesn't," shrugs Whedon. "I'm counting on the ensemble I have now. It'd be swell to have her join them."
-- Michael Ausiello
И интервью Кристиана Кейна сайту City of Angel:
Return of the Spirit Boy
an exclusive Spotlight on Christian Kane
hen Angel pushed Wolfram & Hart client, Russell Winters, out of a high-story window during his first ever mission for the Powers That Be, not only did his actions alert the law firm’s Senior Partners to his presence in the City of Angels but it also saw him come face to face with their golden boy, Lindsey McDonald. What began as a seemingly harmless standoff between the two soon ignited into a long-term rivalry with Champion and Lawyer constantly fighting to see who would gain the upper hand (until Angel chopped Lindsey’s off that is.) On screen, Angel and Lindsey despise everything that each other stand for, sharing hatred, jealousy and contempt. Off-screen nothing could be further from the truth as the long-standing friendship that exists between actors David Boreanaz and Christian Kane could only ever see them swapping memories of good times rather than swapping punches. As Lindsey McDonald, Christian portrays a man driven by ambition and it is a trait very much reflected in the man behind the morally-questionable lawyer as he strives to be successful in his two chosen passions, music and acting. During a recent visit to London, Christian, along with friend and guitarist from their band KANE, Steve Carlson, kindly spent a few moments of their time to share with CoA desires and dreams for both.
WEST COAST BECKONS SOUTHERN ROOTS
The first impression you get when you meet Christian Kane is that here is a man who is intensely proud of his heritage as he comes across every inch a cowboy. Born in Dallas, Texas in 1974, his father’s career in the oil-business pretty much called for him and his family to move across various locations throughout the Southland before finally settling in a small town called Norman in Oklahoma. Christian spent much of his childhood in movie theaters watching his favorite actors on screen and aspiring to be in their company. Chris actually pinpoints the performance of Tom Cruise as the rebellious fighter pilot, Pete ’Maverick’ Mitchell in the 1986 classic Top Gun as the turning point at which he decided he wanted to become an actor. Strangely, when he attended the University of Oklahoma after leaving high school, he decided to major in Art History rather than drama but the pull of Hollywood still appealed to him in a way that his studies didn’t. Rather than continue with something that didn’t inspire him, Christian soon dropped out of university making the brave decision to take a chance and pursue his dream of appearing on stage or screen. Music had become a deep influence in his life as he often found himself singing back-up on stage with his cousin Brandon Hart but Christian had his sights set on an acting career and so armed with no more than $300 in his pocket, he packed up all he had in a pickup truck and moved to Los Angeles.
Like any potential Hollywood young blood, the roles he yearned for didn’t just fall into his lap and Christian had to work as a production assistant and mailroom clerk for a talent agency just to make ends meet. His patience and endless rounds of auditions paid off in 1997 though as he landed the role of Ryan ’Flyboy’ Legget in a funny case of what seemed to be life imitating art. "My first role ever was one of the lead actors on Fame L.A.," he explains, "And so during that time I had to play a country singer that moved in from Kansas." Fame L.A. was a revamped version of a popular 80’s show based around the famous New York School for Performing Arts. In taking the lead role Christian not only had the opportunity to act but to sing which for someone who had never been in front of a camera before was pretty daunting. "I kind of busted my chops," he says, "I did a little acting and I did a little singing and Prescott Niles taught me how to play guitar for that show. He was the bassist for The Knack. I kind of also had to learn how to act. It was my first role and they just threw me on and it was nice that I got to do both at the same time, they kind of came up together." Working right alongside Christian in the pilot episode of that series was a familiar face and someone he would work with once more during his future role of Lindsey McDonald. "Thomas Burr (also known as Wolfram & Hart stooge lawyer Lee Mercer) was in the pilot," he confirms, "He’s a good buddy of mine. It was such a comforting thing to see him on Angel, it just kind of made me feel at home."
HELLO, HANDSOME GOODNESS!
Although Fame L.A. actually completed a full season run of 22-episodes, the ratings for the show were not quite as the producing studio, MGM, had hoped and it was subsequently cancelled. Unfortunately the next role Christian landed, that of the courageous, wild and shameless Wick Lobo in the WB’s Rescue 77 met with the same fate yet Christian was undeterred. Secure in the belief of his own talent ability, he landed a small part in the 1999 film EDTV before securing the role that was to bring him recognition and kudos. Ironically Christian was blissfully unaware that the character of scheming young Wolfram & Hart attorney Lindsey McDonald even existed. Rather than looking to be added to the cast of new spin-off series Angel, Christian was aiming to be included in the Season 4 line-up of its parent show, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, as he auditioned for a character who was the antithesis of the man he eventually got to play. "I started out for Riley," he says, "but my good buddy [Mark] Blucas got it." Christian openly admits that he played his audition for Riley perhaps a little less than wholesome and it worked for him in a way he couldn’t have imagined, "I think Joss [Whedon] saw me as a darker character and so just brought me on for the pilot of Angel."
Lindsey McDonald made his Whedon-verse debut in the opening episode of Angel, giving Christian the chance to work with long-time friend David Boreanaz. He actually recalls his opening scene in the episode "City of..." as one of his favourite moments from his entire time on Angel, " It was the first time David and me ever got to act together and there was just a chemistry. There was something. Neither one of us was on the same page and he was a badass and I was trying to be a badass and that right there was just a defining moment. You could tell the tension but you could also see the easiness of how we just flowed into each other. It’s very easy to act with Boreanaz and I think he feels the same with me. It’s something that we do, you know, we walk in and we feed off each other and it’s great." Although he made his introductory appearance in the premiere episode, Lindsey didn’t show himself again until episode 18, "Five by Five". By this time Angel was proving to be a major thorn in the side of his employers and the young associate tried to enroll the help of rogue slayer Faith to eliminate the problem, all the while trying to get one over on his beautiful co-conspirator, Lilah Morgan. Lilah played by the ever-stunning Stephanie Romanov made her presence known a couple of episodes previous in "The Ring" and although her initial attraction towards Angel was a little obvious, what developed over the next few episodes and into the next season was an incredible dynamic between Lilah and Lindsey. "There’s a lot of sexual tension between Lindsay and Lilah," Christian agrees, "and Stephanie being one of my really good friends in life, it really did kind of feel like it was us against the world. Everyone else was a series regular and we were fighting for a pole position and although we were against each other we were on the same team. It was a very weird dynamic but it was me and her against everybody else and I think that came off on screen."
As an instrument of evil, Lindsey impressed without effort and it was clear that the Senior Partners had him earmarked for success. The one thing they hadn’t accounted for however was the conscience that was buried deep down inside of Lindsey, which reared his head on occasion and that incredibly he also had a heart. Falling in love with the sire of his greatest enemy (Darla, portrayed by Julie Benz) allowed Lindsey to be ruled by his heart in defiance of Wolfram & Hart’s wishes. His vendetta against Angel became personal. He had lost his hand and the woman he loved to the vampire with a soul and his need for vengeance was in stark contrast to the plans that his bosses had. Yet despite that they were still willing to give him everything only for Lindsey to turn his back on them. He had already fought a battle of faith with his bosses when they had attempted to clear the name of potential child killer, Vanessa Brewer, but once he discovered that an innocent person had been butchered in order to give him his new hand, he found that he was doing the unthinkable of working alongside his enemy, Angel, for the second time in the Season 2 episode "Dead End". Although Lindsey may have resented working one-on-one with Angel, Christian relishes the opportunity to act alongside David and recalls the raiding of the Wolfram & Hart body shop in that episode as another of his favorite moments from his time on the series. "When we’re driving in the car, it was five o’clock in the morning, the sun was getting ready to come up and it was the last shot of the day and it’s colder than @#%$," he jokingly recalls. "We’re in a convertible car and it was so easy. It’s very easy to act with him and it’s really not a big scene but it was just me and David. Five o’clock, very tired, very cold and we’re driving in this car and we got it done. There was a lot of dialogue and there were a lot of emotions going on in that time and it was very simple." As the sun set on his ’good deed’ Lindsey left Wolfram & Hart blaming his ’evil hand issues’ and Christian left the series and his fans behind. Just for the time being, anyway.
SKY’S GONNA OPEN...
Although his character left for pastures anew, Christian didn’t go without leaving a little piece of his amazing talent ingrained in the memories of every Angel fan on earth. His incredible acting ability goes without question but in "Dead End", we also had the privilege to finally hear Christian sing. "David Greenwalt wrote the song and Steve Carlson played it and so it was a pre-recording," Christian says of the song L.A. which Lindsey performs on the Caritas stage, "Steve played all the good stuff, he went in..." At this point, Christian’s fellow band-member Steve Carlson interrupts, "We did it together," he corrects before allowing Christian to resume his story. "We really liked the song." Christian continues, "And it was natural. We went in there and in two takes it was done. What was nice about that was that David Greenwalt was actually in the studio when we did it so David would tell us, ’Well I had this in mind’, but it was only two takes, so we were all on the same page. David Greenwalt is actually a good piano player and a music fan. He is very much music oriented and it’s what he used to do actually, play music, so he already had a taste for it. I sat down in David’s office and we came up with a little riff and then David called me back and said I’ve got the song and he wrote it."
Since leaving Angel, Christian has made his fair share of film appearances accumulating a healthy resume of co-stars as well as reuniting with some old friends along the way. In 2001, Christian got to strap on the spurs and hit the trail for TNT with western veteran Tom Selleck in Louis L’Amour’s Crossfire Trail. Following with, Summer Catch, as he plays alongside the man that beat him to the role of Initiative guinea-pig Riley Finn in BtVS, Marc Blucas as well as the man that was to eventually ’marry’ Buffy, Sarah Michelle Gellar’s, husband Freddie Prinze Jr.. In Life or Something Like It he plays the role of Cal Cooper opposite Tomb Raider’s Lara Croft, Angelina Jolie and he could draw on his own personal experiences of living in Texas and Oklahoma when he took the lead role in Crooked E: The Unshredded Truth about Enron based on a booked by Brian Cruver. The role Christian actually admits to being "his favourite role to date" is that of Young Hub in the 2003 film Secondhand Lions. Although his speaking part is restricted to just one line at the very end of the film, Christian gets to play a younger version of one of his screen idols, Robert Duvall and he describes that experience as a "defining moment." He also realised another ambition when he got the opportunity to work with Luc Besson in a remake of a French film Taxi alongside Queen Latifah, to date that film is currently in post-production.
PASADENA, MEET OKLAHOMA
Music is the other passion that encapsulates Christian and his band, formed in 1998, KANE is the brainchild of two extremely talented musicians, Christian and Steve Carlson who met when Steve took over Christian’s job! "I got a job when I first got to L.A.," Steve tells us, "And I went to work for a production company and they were like, ’Oh the guy who worked this job before has just got a job on a show called Fame L.A.’ and so I went in and he [Christian] ended up coming back and we met through that." Born in Pasadena, Steve has honed his love for music from a very early age confessing to writing songs and playing guitar from as early an age as 10 years old. This dedication and passion is reflected in the way he plays and in his partnership and friendship with Christian. KANE has created their own style and niche of what they call ’outlaw country’. Currently residing high in the hills of Hollywood, Steve recalls the first time the KANE song writing partnership struck gold, "I threw a party one night and invited him and at midnight we were all upstairs playing music and he started singing with us. He like pulled me aside and said, ’How do you know all these country songs?’ because we were playing stuff like The Eagles and Hank Williams and David Allen Coe and all sorts of stuff. I told him my parents kind of raised me on country music. He said, ’Well we should write some time’ and we got together and we wrote "The Chase" and then we wrote "Spirit Boy". Then we had friends who were like, ’It’s my birthday next week, will you guys come and play those two songs?’ so we’d play like two songs and we’d throw in a couple of cover songs and then it was like we had a whole set."
The talents of a fiddle player by the name of Craig Eastman caught the attention of both Steve and Christian, "We are both big fans of our fiddle player," Christian enthuses, "He was just amazing and we were like, ’How do we get him?’ and luckily he started playing with us. A lot of our sound comes through Craig Eastman." Both fans and critics alike pay testimony to that comment as Craig’s collaboration along with Christian and Steve (and additional guitarist Michael Eaton for a time) has seen KANE produce an incredible ’live’ set, which has been performed, enjoyed and critically acclaimed in venues all across the coast of California including Johnny Depp’s Viper Room, King King, Ivar and the Warner Bros Sizzlin’ Country fundraiser, as well as taking their music into the heart of Country itself, Nashville. A recent acoustic set played at an event in London in November 2003 won the band a whole new set of fans in a country that is not exactly renowned for its mainstream love of country music. Enjoying what they do is paramount to Christian and Steve and their love of performing and being on stage is something they inevitably pass to their audience. That’s just how they like it and how they want it to continue for some time to come, "We want longevity," explains Christian, "We want people to listen to our music and sing along. We want it to be something you sing in the shower. We want to have fun with it and I want to quote Garth Brooks real quick because it’s the same thing that happens for me. "No matter how drunk you are or whatever you’re doing, the people who are having the most fun at the show are me and Steve!" Christian on playing music
No matter who’s at the show, no matter how drunk you are or whatever you’re doing, the people who are having the most fun at the show are me and Steve, it really is. We’re having the most fun you can possibly have. I think what we’d like to do is just keep the fun going. It’s very much exhilarating and, like I said earlier, it’s almost a drug and I think we’d just like longevity. We’d like people to listen to our stuff and move, you know, and if you’re cooking dinner and it comes on the radio we’d like you to shake your ass a little bit or if you’re in the car maybe you drive a little faster, stuff like that. We really want people to have a good time with our music and I think that’s what it is. We’re not out to be Kid Rock, just as long as people are having a good time."
Loving KANE’s music and their songs is one thing but getting access to it is another and has proven to be one of the frustrating matters for both the band and its followers alike. Voted by industry magazine Music Connection as "One of L.A.’s 100 Hottest Unsigned Bands", KANE’s first album was self-produced and as a result meant that it could only be accessed by downloading or purchasing from their official website: KANEmusic.com, an obstruction that the band plans to remove when their potential second album is up for release. "We’re kind of in negotiations right now to move forward on a bigger level with our music," Steve says with enthusiasm although he is very quick not to divulge too much info on exactly what negotiations are taking place. "A couple of people have asked us while we have been here, ’When are you going to put out a second album?’ and we have enough material to put out a second album and we loved producing the first one ourselves but we kind of want to do it now on a level where we have big distribution and it can get out." Christian adds, "Because it can get to more people. You don’t have to go on-line; we’d like to see it at stores so everyone can have access to it. Whenever you have a successful album then you get to travel to where your fans are and we have fans in London, we have fans in Egypt, Vietnam and we have fans all over the world that buy our stuff." Christian then shouts over to the bands manager, Eric Griffin and asks,"Where is the weirdest place that someone has bought our album from?" Eric thinks for a second, "The Solomon Islands," comes the reply, "although I have no idea where that is!" he jokes.
THE NASHVILLE/L.A. TWO-STEP
The future for the band is looking good with plans to return to Nashville to write, record, and hopefully release a second album into mainstream circulation. Although, when given the chance, Christian will slip a little of KANE’s music into his acting pieces. A song the band wrote in Nashville appears in Crooked E: The Unshredded Truth about Enron and in the film Life or Something Like It, Christian’s character Cal can be heard singing "Sweet Carolina Rain" to himself whilst walking down a corridor. The only soundtrack appearance KANE is actually credited for however is in one of Christian’s most recent roles, Just Married, where the first song they ever wrote, "The Chase" can be heard playing in an Italian bar!
By the time of writing this feature, the secret will be out that during Season 5 Christian’s character Lindsey McDonald has actually returned to the Angel fold to wreak havoc on his old foe once more. Angel makeup artist Dayne Johnson created the extensively tattooed look of Eve’s (Sarah Thompson) new conspirator. Christian confessed during a recent Q&A session with Stephanie Romanov at the Senior Partners Convention, that he believes the reason Lindsay has returned is largely due to the fans and their constant requests and pleas to Joss Whedon to bring him back. After two years away from show Christian admits he feels like he never really left, "It always feels like coming home. I’m working with David, with James and I’ve known them for a while. I’ve known David for over seven years; we’ve been friends for a long, long time. So with him being there it was like slipping into an old suit. It was nice. It was very comforting." Unfortunately the recent news of Angel’s cancellation means that his return is all too brief and fleeting but there can be no doubt whatsoever that whatever fate life has in store for both Christian and Steve, these "spirit boys" will soar and be ever successful in whatever they choose to do. Christian’s latest film, Keep Your Distance, where he plays Sean Voight in a romantic thriller with Jennifer Westfeldt of Kissing Jessica Stein is currently in post-production. But fans can watch for him in an upcoming episode of Las Vegas, as Bob in "The Strange Life of Bob" airing April 19th and there’s more evil fun as Lindsey when Angel returns from hiatus, April 14th in "Underneath".
Watch With Kristin - Chat Transcript Monday, March 22, 2004
Kristin: Almost didn’t think I was going to make it today, what with my computer being FROZEN all day thanks to you crazy Angel fans.
whoseygirl asks: Too many emails?
Kristin replies: Yeparooni. Seems I’ve been the target of an email campaign (among many other things) through www.savingangel.org. And were it any other show, I swear to you, I would annoyed. But how can I not love the love? The fight just goes on, and I must tell you, NEVER before have I seen such an all-out battle to bring back a series. To show my support (in addition to those letters I sent out my own self, don’t forget those!), I’m going to talk about Angel on E! News Live tomorrow. And .... well ... what else CAN I do? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- beebee asks: Got any good news about Angel?
Kristin replies: Oh, how I wish I did. I haven’t heard any promising rumblings from the networks. And I ran into David Boreanaz the other night at a charity event (the Genesis Awards presented by the Humane Society at the Beverly Hilton) , and he’s, well, he’s accepting that it’s time to move on… -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- angllverhe21 asks: WHAT DID DAVID SAY?!!!
Kristin replies: Simmer down now, pup! He was a DOLL, actually. There with wife Jamie Bergman. Extremely sympathetic to we fans, but truth be told, I haven’t seen him looking so happy/ rested since the show began. Sleep becomes him! Anyway, here’s what he said about the cancellation:
"It's a bittersweet kind of thing, I feel bad for the fans because they have been so supportive throughout the years of the show and characters. But it's a real interesting time for me right now and I'm really looking forward to new challenges. It's a new transition for me. We're in a really good place so I feel really happy that the show is come full circle, but I do feel for the fans. The fans are so great, they’ve been so great to us. But it’s time to start a whole new journey.”
We didn’t have much time to chat, unfortunately (it was a charity event and he was being whisked away) but he did say what’s next for him. “You know,” he said with a big grin, “right now Jamie and I are going to take off to a beach. We are going to take a nap [starts chuckling and looking at Jamie]. A long nap and not worry about the alarm clock waking us up." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- smartassblond16 asks: IS Sarah Michelle Gellar coming on Angel
Kristin replies: We asked her precisely that at the end of an interview for Scooby Doo 2 over the weekend, and she literally said, “I don’t know” and got up and walked away. Hmph. Clearly she’s not at liberty to talk about it. Which I’m GUESSING, means she’s in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- seba_88 asks: I'm hearing the Save Angel campaign hit CNN!! It's amazing!! The WB just can't turn down the show!!!!
Kristin replies: Really?? That's fantastic! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- milesfrom730 asks: If you are dying, will you at least tell me anything new on angel before you go?
Kristin replies: That's my tuber. Nice to see you have your priorities straight. Spike and Angel are headed to Rome, and we're going to see the Italian version of Wolfram & Hart. They're favorite holiday -- Chris-Mangia!! (I think we need to spread this, peeps.) And Ilyria is going to fool more than just Fred's parents -- also someone very close to her -- that she is Fred. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i_love_kristin asks: Omarosa is guesting on Angel in the final episode, she takes over Wolfram & Hart and is too evil to be contained, and everything explodes.
Kristin replies: If SMG doesn't come back, that's clearly the next best option.
"Она сказала "не знаю", встала и ушла". И Кристин полагает, чо это верный знак ее возвращения в шоу? Скорее уж - обиды, что ее больше не зовут... Впрочем, я могу и ошибаться. Шоу-бизнес - странное место
Похоже, кина подназванием "Любовный треугольник" все-таки не будет...
TV Guide http://www.tvguide.com/ Insider - Buffy's Angel Reunion Nixed Thursday, March 25, 2004 By Michael Ausiello
Bloody hell! This bites! This sucks! Whichever vampire pun you choose to express your feelings on the subject, the sad fact remains: Sarah Michelle Gellar will not be resurrecting Buffy the Vampire Slayer for Angel's swan song after all. As foreshadowed in this week's issue of TV Guide magazine (on sale now), the in-demand actress' busy schedule was a deal-breaker. But that's only half of the story.
You see, Gellar wasn't asked to appear in the series finale, she was invited to return for the second-to-last episode (airing May 5). Unfortunately, when that hour was being shot, she was in Tokyo working on the supernatural horror film The Grudge and, obviously, quite unavailable. However, she was free to pick up stakes in the spin-off's capper (airing May 19). So why isn't she doing that installment? Executive producer Joss Whedon didn't want Angel's send-off to "revolve around a guest star," he says simply. "We will deal with the issue of Buffy and how much she means to Angel and Spike, but I want to end the show with the people who've been in the trenches together, the characters who have lived — and occasionally died — together... the regulars."
Whedon's Angel partner, Jeffrey Bell, adds that the idea of building the finale around the long-running Angel/Buffy/Spike love triangle "seemed to undermine the bigger picture. [So Gellar was left off the roster] in the same way that David Boreanaz wasn't involved in the series finale of Buffy." (Boreanaz did, however, appear in Buffy's penultimate episode.)
Before you start sharpening Mr. Pointy and aiming it at the execs' hearts, you should know that, despite their well-thought-out rationale, at the point when they learned Gellar was free to participate in Angel's last hurrah, it was too late for her to do so. "We had already written and shot the episode [for which we originally wanted her] which emotionally dealt with [the romantic rivalry]," Bell says. "So, to go [back] and force her into the very last episode to retread stuff that we already dealt with didn't make any sense.
"By the time it became a possibility," he goes on, "the ship had sort of sailed."
Fine. So, how then will this much-ballyhooed (by us) May 5 episode give closure to Angel, Spike and Buffy — not to mention Angel/Buffy and Spike/Buffy proponents — when the superheroine in the middle of the muddle will be nowhere to be seen? "Angel and Spike arrive at an understanding — that's all I'll say about that," Bell teases. "And without her being involved, Buffy's character has come to some sort of understanding, too."
After that, the vamp-dusting ghostbusters will forge forward toward their final showdown (a two-parter airing May 12 and 19). "We're gonna get to the bottom of why we've been in Wolfman & Hart this whole time and what we're gonna do about it," hints Bell. And, though he refuses to drop any clues as to who will be "left standing at the end," he does promise this: "It's gonna be big!" As Buffy might have replied, "Well, duh!" ****************************** И если кто зарегистрирован на форуме Secret Loft, посмотрите хорошие сканы с фотосессии летнего SFX ( в журнале была только одна фотка из четырех, причем я подозреваю, что ту фотографию выбрали потому, что на ней не так заметно, какая же драная куртка у ДМ) http://www.secretloft.com/lostsoul/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=11167#11167
Эх, вот так всегда.. Ну вот скажите мне, за что мне такое счастье - в прошлом году на мой ДР закончилась "Баффи" (закончилась она-то 20-го, но кусочки были в Сети еще 19-го), в этом году - "Ангел".. Нет в жизни счастья!!!
А уж по поводу СМГ - тем более...
Интервью Дэвида Фьюри: Source: Dreamwatch #116
David Fury believes that money is firmly to blame for Angel's shock cancellation. "Angel is actually one of the cheaper one-hour dramas to produce and we do lot with a little," he says. "But it's still not as cheap as Seventh Heaven or reality programming."
Speaking just weeks after he told Dreamwatch of his delight at writing and directing Angel's 100th episode, You're Welcome, David Fury can barely contain his disappointment at The WB's decision to pull the plug on the show - especially considering the lengths he and his colleagues went in order to ensure Angel's fifth season met with the network's approval. Nevertheless, he feels that the show itself hasn't suffered one bit as a result of network interference.
"I honestly feel we haven't compromised the things we wanted to do. We're not so arc intensive. The network wanted to see more stand-alones and we did that, again without compromise, and we were able to subtly lay in an arc. We are very proud of this season. The show changes but it is still true to itself. There are so many avenues to play and I think we've been able to show that.
"We always had an ending for this season that we always knew would make a great series ending," he continues. "Angel's potential cancellation has hovered over the show from the very beginning. This season in particular was so touch-and-go to get picked up that we knew whatever the ending we would do, it would have to satisfy both ends and I think we've managed to do that.
"Now that it's definitive and we know it's the end, we may take more care to wrap up more loose ends. But for the most part, the are and the grand scheme of it are on course."
Интервью Эми Акер: How did you feel when you found out that Angel's fifth season would be its last?
I think everyone was just surprised that it happened. I actually saw Joss [Whedon] the day that he found out. I'd gone over and we got some lunch and he said, "I'm going to dinner with [WB President] Jordan Levin tonight," and I said, '"Oh, well call me if the show gets cancelled or something." And he was like, "That's not gonna happen! We're doing the best we've ever done." And then he called me later to tell me we'd got cancelled! We were totally joking about it, especially as he'd just told me his whole plan for next year. He had all these really cool ideas for the next season.
Do you have anything lined up yet for after Angel?
Not yet. I'm trying to get back into looking at other roles after not auditioning for three years. It's a little weird at the moment, so I am just going to see what happens.
What will you miss most about working on Angel?
The people. One of the sad parts about the show not getting picked up was that these people are just like my family now. I mean, I see them as much as anyone, and everyone's seen each other in the worst and best light. So it'll be weird and very sad not to have these people around all the time.
Васкес, это дизайнерски потрепанная куртка. Потрепал ее специально обученный человек и подозреваю что стоит она больших денег. Присмотритесь, какие совершенно новые края воротника у этой "старенькой курточки".
Кстати о SFX, сегодня купила апрельский номер, тот, что Сарой на обложке. Как я поняла вся редакция страшно переживает по поводу завершения серила. И в связи с этим пообещала в следующем номере специальный репортаж со съемок. Помимо этого в журнале есть небольшое интервью с Джоссом. Но подозреваю, что оно тут уже выкладывалось. Появилась надежда на новую фотосъемку с нашим любимцем, а так же почти с половиной актеров Баффи и Ангела. В журнале было специальное приложение “The Sexiest sci-fi Stars in The Galaxy 2004”, финалисты без очередности. Объявить очередность обещают в июне, на специальной SFX конференции, а специальный выпуск об уже с хит парадом в августе. Финалисты все почти те же что и в прошлый раз. Еще о хит парадах и номинация, это в SFX делать любят и народ активно голосует. Оглашены номинанты «на приз читательских симпатий». Особенно забавно выглядит номинация лучший эпизод Angel “Home” BtvS “Chosen” BtvS “LMPTM” BtvS “Storyteller” Firefly “Out of Gas”
Причем какой-нибудь из трех сериалов, присутствует в каждой из номинаций за исключением тех, что касаются фильмов.
И на последок, не буду больше пространство занимать. В номере есть не только интервью с Сарой, но и интервью в Алексом. В конце приводится мнение, какого эксперта по акцентам, где он оценивает всех наших фальшивоакцентных персонажей. Спайк, в принципе не плохо но так себе, рaботать и работать, особенно над словами “bolloks” и “arse”. Тут ничего сказать не могу, кроме "как он посмел, да кто он такой, что бы такое говрить!", но настоящего Cockney акцента я почти не слышала. Но вот следующее заявления, убедило меня в том, что они ничего в акцентах не понимают. «Ирландский» акцент Ангела оценен как «великолепный». Это у Ангела то! Такое может сказать только человек, который ирландцев видел преимущественно издалека, да и то на картинках. Самый худший акцент у Джайлза.
ЗЫ Кто-нибудь может мне подсказать кто такая Молли?
VasquezE Posts: 567 (3/26/04 2:39) 62.118.143.71 Reply | Edit | Del All Спойлеры и рассуждения №2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- НЕ смогла положить пост в старый топик и решила начать новый. Геро, если чего не так - перенеси обратно, пожалуйста!
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Alhena Васкес, это дизайнерски потрепанная куртка. Потрепал ее специально обученный человек и подозреваю что стоит она больших денег.
Упс! Да, действительно, воротничок новенький... Просто я вчера или позавчера любовалась на ДБ в свитерочке с дизайнерскими заплатками и задавалась вопросом, дизайнерски ли у него разорван шов на плече. Неужели можно так "натурально" обтрепать? И почему тогда воротник не тронули? Чтобы шею не натирал?
Ладно, закругляюсь с оффтопом. По делу: Интересные отрывки из интервью Белла из того же 116 номера SFX
Extract from For Whom the Bell Tolls - Jeff Bell - Dreamwatch #116 May 2004
"We didn't know it was coming," reveals Bell. "Joss had told me earlier that he was going to try and get The WB to commit early so we would know. Last year, we didn't find out about renewal until almost May. I was left trying to keep all my great writers from taking other jobs, which was hard. As it turns out, they all took a lot less money to stay so we didn't want that to happen again." Fifth Ammendments
Angel's cancellation was particularly surprising given that the show's writers had successfully implemented the changes demanded by The WB at the end of Angel's fourth year. At the network's request, season five brought a lighter tone, more stand-alone storylines and the introduction of former Buffy regular James Marsters as Spike.
"The big difference between last year and this year was that season four was based around one decision: "Let's host an apocalypse,'" notes Bell. "This year, we started out differently, both because we wanted to make the network happy and because we wanted to tell a lot of different stories. All that meant was that we started from scratch a lot more and we've been trying to balance the emotional arc of our characters and keep it alive and powerful within each episode. We find ourselves occassionally goig, 'What's this next one about?' in a way we didn't last year. We've been backed into corners more and we've been really coming out with strong ideas, which has been fun for me.
"We have been pushing things this season," he continues. "We had Lorne's party, we had Mexican Wrestlers, we went back in time to see how Angel and Spike met, we went on a Nazi submarine, we turned Angel into a puppet and we bought back Charisma [Carpenter] as Cordelia. You sometimes think, 'OK, we are jumping the shark with this episode,' and instead it becomes one of your favourites. The submarine episode, 1943, turned out to be really cool and surprising and wonderful, and turning Angel into a puppet in Smile Time was hilarious. The puppet they built for Angel was just brilliant.
"In terms of tone, we've been trying to mix it up every time this year. We've tried to make sure we never do the same thing twice and I've been really happy with that."
Bell admits that his greatest headache during season five was caused by The WB's decision to cut the show's budget. "In teh past, there was a little bit of room in other places to borrow from, but this year everyone is maxed out. It's been really tricky and we've had to struggle. We've had to choose fights and special effects more carefully this season. Having said that, we have writers and crew who could make a lot more money on other shows, but they all love the show. I think every penny we are givven ends up on the screen somehow."
On the plus side, Bell has no problems integrating Spike into the series. "In terms of bringing Spike back, I think we have been very true to his nature," he says. "The great thing about Spike is that he isn't the brightest crayon in the box, but he has an amazing heart and instinct. Angel over-thinks everything. Spike doesn't really take the time to think much about at all, which is why they are always butting heads, and we try to play on that.
"We've tried to write Spike as Angel's ner'do'well brother. Angel does something and Spike wants to do it too, which annoys the Hell out of the older brother and the younger brother doesn't realise that he's doing it. We like that dynamic, and we also like the heart that Spike and Fred [Amy Acker] had together. It wasn't a hardcore sexual thing, but there was caring for one another there and we liked that.
"I know there is a faction of fans who want the reformed, 'Mr Romantic Season Seven of Buffy Spike'," he continues, "But he was like that because he was in a relationship with a woman who inspired him to be like that. It's not that he's changed or we've forgotten that, it's just that he hasn't been put in the circumstances yet where you have seen just that side."
The Final Countdown
While Bell obviously feels disappointed that Angel won't live on to another season, he remains very grateful that the network announced its decision to cancel the series early enough to allow the writers and producers to think of a way to end the show in style.
"I'm hoping we get one last stand-alone before the end to have some fun, because we won't get the chance to do it again," says Bell of his last wish for the series. "As much as parts of it will set up the finale, I'm also hoping to infect it with some fun. I was thinking of doing a Spike and Andrew [Tom Lenk] road trip episode. If we can make it work, we will."
As for the grand finale itself, Jeffrey Bell is giving nothing away except to reveal that it will be he and not Joss Whedon who will write - and possibly direct - the last ever episode.
"It's exciting and terrifying because you want to please your boss," he admits with a grin. "But Joss will be very involved and he has some specific ideas of what he wants it to be." **************************************
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Самый худший акцент у Джайлза.
Особенно если учесть, что ДМ "снимал" акцент у ЭСХ. А об ирландском акценте Ангела я слышала столько издевательских отзывов - причем как раз от носителей (на форумах довольно много ирландцев).
Alhena, пожалуйста, занимай пространство, ты пишешь об очень интересных вещах!
Немножко вестей с форумов. Народ там, право же, какой-то очень странный. Утки считают происходящее заговором молчания и полагают, что статья в TV Guide - дымовая завеса. Спаркли бурно радуются, потому что все они почему-то считают, что если бы Баффи вернулась, то она выбрала бы Ангела и они уехали бы навстречу рассвету. То ли они привыкли видеть от Ведона сплошные подлянки, то ли я чего-то не понимаю. А Cold Dead Seed разразился двумя умопомрачительными лозунгами:
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The ship sailed with only Spangel on board! Bangel's ship was called the Titanic!
Васкес, это ежики выпендриваются, целый день пытаюсь сч этим бороться, пока безуспешно, надеюсь, что все устаканиться, пока что твой топик перенесла, но если будут такие финты и дальше, то смело открывай
Ааа из СиТов, я там по имени только трех помню. Geroneja, спасибо за информацию.
Еще одно путешествие Спайка и Эндрю.?!?! Уххх. Мечты-мечты. Только вот когда они успеют? Времени на это у них уже нет. (((
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Спаркли бурно радуются, потому что все они почему-то считают, что если бы Баффи вернулась, то она выбрала бы Ангела и они уехали бы навстречу рассвету.
То есть, народ со Спарклей далеко не Спаффи и хотят видеть Спайка этаким волком одиночкой? Ну тогда путь он в конце уезжает в Эндрю в заоблачную даль в свой сериал. )))
На счет Эндрю вы видели эту кроссоверскую аватарку?
Васкес, я рада, что то что я написала интересно, спасибо. Тогда напишу, и про майский номер, когда он выйдет.
У Джайлза плохой Оксфордский акцент, по мнению эксперта, Кокни из него так прет. Опять же тут судить не могу, не слышала я настоящего оксфордского акцента, но я все равно не верю, что англичанин, который живет в принципе не далеко от Оксфорда, не смог его хорошо скопировать. А вот про Ирландский акцент я знаю не понаслышке, и скажу следующее. Помнится кто-то когда-то говорил, что Фред жутко тарахтит и понять ее сложно, так вот если бы А, разговаривал бы с настоящим провинциальным ирландским акцентом, то понять бы его можно было бы только с тарнскриптом. Ирландцы говорят «внос», жуют слова при этом произносят их со скоростью реактивного самолета и очень Акают.
ЗЫ. Можно еще хуже специально потрепать, видела в магазине нечто подобное.
Когда-то Стренджер писала про акцент Джайлза, правда, не могу найти этот топик на форуме Елены, а потому попрошу ее заскачить к нам в гости и рассказать, все-таки, она у нас обитает в языковой среде )) А ирландский акцент помню у Дойла - я сначала даже испугалась, т.к. почти ничего не понимала ))
Я два дня пыталась задушить втуне крик души (и тела ) по поводу фото ДМ. Но поняла, что через себя мне не перешагнуть. В этом случае точно. В общем, как в старом анекдоте про Василия Ивановича, который съездил в Париж и побывал на Эйфелевой башне: "!@#$, $#@!!". Дамы, ну, вы меня поняли... Sorry.
Alhena, Спаркли всегда считают наиболее вероятным наихудший вариант, а Утки - наилучший. Возможно, это как-то связано с периодом денайла - не знаю... Спаффи живуть впроголодь (я имею в виду - морально) меньше года, Бангелы - пятый год. При том что им с самого начала объявили, что любовь Ангела и Баффи - это нечто единственное и неповторимое, а Спайка до этого соединяли и с Дрю, и с Хармони, и никакой "единственности-неповторимости" словесно не декларировали. Многим Спарклям из-за этого кажется, что Ведон всегда "пренебрегал" парой Баффи-Спайк.
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bubonicplague1348 wrote: At the risk of being flamed, I really do not think that a Spike spinoff is a viable option. As a character, he just doesn't have the attributes that can carry a series with the lead role, unless something fundamental is changed about him.
Spike is fairly stable and defined as characters come and go. At this point, we can generally predict Spike's reaction to any given circumstance that is thrown at him. His history is pretty well-documented. I think that for a character to carry a spinoff, there needs to be a lot of questions that need answering in terms of psychology, history, etc. If one were to put Spike in a spinoff, I could only see it developing in one of two ways:
1. Spike as the lead. In this scenario, the show would essentially be Angel II. Souled vampire helping the helpless. Except in this case, we have the extra attitude and the complete loss of the redemption theme. It would be a very simplistic show.
2. Spike as part of an ensemble cast. A better option, but most likely Spike would devolve completely back into his season 4 persona, existing only to snipe at other characters and be generally amusing.
We've already run into some of these difficulties this season on Angel. Spike doesn't care much about "deeper issues" such as redemption and his place in the universe. Spike has, by Fury's own admission, devolved. Fortunately, the season managed to handle these problems by having the main focus be between the Spike/Angel interaction: Because of his history and relationship with Angel, Spike can be a bit more philosophical than he generally would. Though Spike's character has reverted a bit, this can be explained due to the nature of his relationship with Angel, and he has been refashioned in terms of that relationship.
Spike's story came to a natural conclusion with the end of BtVS. The only reason his character still worked, IMO, was because of the Angel dynamic. A spinoff wouldn't have that - Spike would become either an Angel knockoff or be deconstructed to the point of unidentifiability.
I could see a TV movie or two, but a whole series? Not really. I'd much rather have JM move on to other projects (I'd prefer a TV series to movies, because I am selfish) that don't involve Spike. The man is too talented to be pigeonholed into playing one character.
Я с ней не совсем согласна: мне кажется, что спинофф Спайк-Фриллирия-Уэс (плюс, желательно, Эндрю и Халли) мог бы получиться гениально. До сих пор мне казалось, что Спайк неисчерпаем. Фред, конечно, была простенькая как стеклышко, но теперь у персонажа Эми Экер появились огромное пространство для развития. А Уэс нужен, чтобы держать эту парочку под контролем, поставлять информацию и время от времени решать неразрешимые проблемы старым добрым американским способом - при помощи огнестрельного оружия.
Я понимаю, что это чистый fanwank ("фанатский онанизм") - но все-таки интересно, что думают другие на этот счет. На Спарклях почти все согласились с Бубоник, но, как я уже говорила, там всегда наиболее вероятным вариантом считают наихудший.
И пара ссылочек: эссе By the “End of Days” Buffy and Spike are “Chosen” “Fool for Love” - о динамике взаимоотношений Спайка и Баффи
По поводу спин-оффа... Только вчера обсуждала с человеком этот вариант ("Ангела" товарищ не видел и смотреть пока не собирается, но тоже говорит, что из спин-оффа со Спайком ничего хорошего не будет с примерно той же аргументацией), и я согласна с Васкес - Спайк как персонаж неисчерпаем, как повернет ситуацию в конце пятого сезона "Ангела" Ведон нам пока тоже неизвестно - если будет новый сериал, то они о нем знают уже сейчас и почва будет именно где-то в тех краях. Я так понимаю, что в любом спин-оффе с присутствием Спайка будет и Эндрю, потому как их работу в комнаде начали пробовать еще в седьмом сезоне "Баффи", плюс Уэс и Иллирия - было бы очень интересно, там тоже все далеко не просто, плюс Уэсли Уиндам-Прайс, как по мне, персонаж, который в Ведонверсе, получил наибольшее развитие после Спайка. Если в сериале будет Алексис Денисоф, то это всегда дает шанс на появление в нем Элисон Ханниган, плюс Душку говорила, что непрочь вернуться в Ведонверс. Так что получиться могло бы действительно гениально, и в сценаристы Дрю и Стива, все равно они написали половину пятого сезона "Ангела", и вернуть Эспенсон из "Девочек Гилмор" ))
Понято, спасибо Васкес. Правильно в принципе делают, рациональные ребята. Но и расслабляется в принципе тоже надо. А когда нам в последний раз заявляли что Бангел что-то особенно и неповторимое? По мне, так в случае с Баффи, пусть она останется с кем останется, только вот пусть Спайка снова не убивают. У меня и стадия Бангела была и стадия Спаффи. В принципе Спаффи все еще длится, так как на Спангела прейти не получилось. Но мне в принципе все равно. Конечно я буду рада если все закончится С/Б, но так и это хорошо вот в чем вопрос? Ну да ладно.
В посте Бубоник есть рациональное зерно, она девушка саркастичная, но правду матку иногда изрекает (даже не иногда, но манера изречения у нее своеобразная). Действительно будет ли так интересен серила имени Спайка и только про него. У Ангела период душевных страдании был сто лет, и за эти сто лет он успел начудить, что всем еще разгребаться и разгребаться. У Спайка этого времени нет. Он был мало того, что вампиром, без души, да еще и все время с одной и той же девушкой. Бубоник права, для интересного сюжета нужны какие-то неизвестные подробности разлученные близнецы и троюрные тети. И о чем может быть сериал, об искуплении? Не верю я вечно страдающего Спайка на экране, он выпендрежник каких мало, не в его это стиле, даже если он и действительно страдает. Может и есть они все эти интересные подробности, а мы о них не занаем, А по поводу командного сериала, вот тут я с ней абсолютно не согласна и всеми конечностями за командный сериал. И я не согласна, что история Спайка закончилась вместе с сериалом Баффи. Спайк-Фриллирия-Уэс и Эндрю (обязательное его надо), Хочу это видеть. Команда мечты. Предлагаю так и назвать сериал.
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роскошные фото с австралийской конвенции 2001 года
Спасибо за фотки! Загляденье. Какой он худенький на них. Прелесть. И фенечки у него душевные.
Нет у ДБ адекватного ирландского акцента, нет. Есть довольно карикатурный вариант. И он в этом не виноват: действительно, это произношение... даже французское, говорят, легче. Ирландцы не только "акают", они еще и "укают" там, где, по мнению англичан, не надо (иными словами, практически везде, где стоит английское "ю"). Куинн было начал Дэвида учить, но... сами знаете . Освоить это дело мало кому удавалось (а с точки зрения самих ирландцев, так и вовсе никому) - хотя и избавиться тоже
А ЭСХ... нет, у него не идеально оксфордское произношение, с прискорбием вынуждена признать. Но и не кокни (разве только если он сам того хочет, причем обычно в таких случаях дурачится). Нормальный чистый среднеанглийский образованного человека. (Вы думали, только в России есть средняя полоса? *ехидно*).
Ну и еще напоследок - в тему...
Не в обиду никому будь сказано, но я не думаю, что для сериала со Спайком в центре НЕПРЕМЕННО нужно мыльно-оперное прошлое с кучей связей и внезапными членами семьи Во-первых, одна флэшбек-книга по "Баффи" - Pretty maids all in a row - практически целиком посвященная Спайку и Дрю, имела уже такой успех, что некоторые до сих пор жалеют, что по ней одной не сняли спин-оффа. Во-вторых (заранее признавая непопулярность своего на эту тему взгляда), я не вижу необходимости во флэшбеках как таковых, по крайней мере, когда речь идет о Спайке: он и сейчас интересный (и нет, я ни на что и ни на кого не намекаю, но думать мне никто не запретит *показывая язык*). Наконец, в-третьих, я не вижу необходимости повторять все движения Ангела даже в варианте осознания блондином своих былых "подвигов". Мы уже неоднократно видели, как по-разному они с Ангелом воспринимают и переживают аналогичные ситуации. (Еще когда Спайк получил душу, сколько было страхов и охов, что будет у нас теперь Ангел-два, вариант уменьшенный и перекрашенный... и что?) Soul purpose все видели. У каждого свой вкус (меня та последняя сцена, когда Спайк говорит "неважно, виноват ли я был в ЭТОМ случае", шандарахнула сильнее, чем все ангельские речи в течение сезонов, для кого-то, наверное, все наоборот), но разницу в содержании - при сходстве положения - между этими двумя вряд ли кто-то будет отрицать. (Это как в "Теле" - ни одной одинаковой реакции на смерть Джойс среди скубят...) И Спайк, балансирующий эти свои чувства с действиями - а действия тут были бы без вопросов, пассивным (больше, чем на полдня) блондик быть не может по определению... - скажем так, ИМО, скучно, монотонно или неосмысленно это вряд ли может быть.
Но при всем при том при вышесказанном, командный сериал я бы посмотрела еще с какой охотой и, если бы спросили, энергично за него проголосовала. И не потому (во всяком случае, не только потому *стараясь быть как можно честнее*), что "хоть сколько-то Спайка на экране лучше, чем совсем без него". А потому что команда подбирается уж больно интересная: и к Уэсу мое отношение всем известно, и Эндрю уже практически обожаю, и Иллирия, на мое ИМО, *несравнимо* интереснее Фред... а Джеймс не такая дива, чтобы страдать (будь то эмоционально или творчески) от конкуренции окружающего качества. Наоборот, в яркой и блестящей компании он только расцветает. И идет такой обмен энергией, что... да о чем речь, будто мы сами не видели.
Так что лично я готова на любой вариант *беспринципно* А вот насколько я на любой из них надеюсь - это другой, уже гораздо менее бодрый, вопрос...
--- Нам, баффоголикам, к извращениям не привыкать!
Так как "Ёжик" самовольно, через раз, закрывает этот топик, то давайте, во избежание несуразностей, продолжим наши беседы в топике "Спойлеры и рассуждения-2", любезно открытом Васкез.
Геро скопировала туда последний пост Стренджер, и, я, засим, закрываю этот топик окончательно.
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