VasquezE(02/08/04 11:52:02)
Джули Бенц???
АlhenaG, фотки - класс! Спасибо!
Стренджер, привет!
Принимая во внимание твои соображения, я все больше склоняюсь к мысли, что Ангела-таки пользуют капитально, и очень не хотят это дело прекращать. Насчет Корди, честно говоря, неохота заморачиваться, потому что она явно ушла насовсем. Линдси... очень может быть, что он действительно получил именно то, что ему и было нужно. (Об этом мы, по крайней мере, получим возможность узнать - рано или поздно).
А пока - новость дня. Вчера вечером по американскому и сегодня утром по российскому времени. какой-то товарищ, назвавшийся Планетой Вампиров, кинул в Сеть бомбу: в 17 серии вернется Джули Бенц, она сыграет жену Линдси\Ганна, а потом будет играть Дарлу.
Date Posted: 22:28:57 02/07/04 Sat
Author: Planet Of The Vampires
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Subject: Major casting news for episode 17!
Julie Benz has been cast for the rest of the season. In episode 17 she will be playing the wife of Lindsey and Gunn and then later in the season Darla. You're in for a wild ride this season, have fun!
Можно ли этому верить? Берем сайдзы и смотрим оригинал:
A beat, then the door opens, revealing Trish. On Angel, surprised to see
this beautiful woman.
TRISH
Can I help you?
ANGEL
(not sure what to
make of this)
Is Lindsey home?
Trish smiles
TRISH
Sure. Come on in.
The guys exchange glances, follow Trish into …
INT. Suburban House – Entry/Family room – continuous.
As they enter …
TRISH
(calling out)
Honey!
(to the guys)
There’s coffee …
ANGEL
We’re fine. Thanks.
As Lindsey emerges from the hallway that leads to the bedroom …
LINDSEY
(to Trish)
Zach’s hockey stick’s gone missing –
(sees our guys)
Hey, there. Didn’t realise we had
company.
TRISH
(to Lindsey)
I’ll do search and rescue.
Окей, Ангел **удивлен** видеть Триш\Нэнси, но его удивление явно относится к ситуации: с каких, мол, это пор у Линдси семья и домик в пригороде? Если бы он увидел женщину с лицом Дарлы, его рекация была бы наверняка посильнее.
Но, с другйо стороны, если он перед этим побродил по альтернативной вселенной и встретил там еще кого-то из старых знакомых - вполне возможно, что способность удивляться уже притупилась...
В общем, подождем развития событий
Два часа спустя:
Народ в Сети уже увял в спорах по уши. Самый интересный довод "за" высказывает небезызвестный агент лондонской страховой компании denmaroca.
[> Re: Major casting news for episode 17! -- denmaroca, 09:27:42 02/08/04 Sun (82-43-61-157.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk/82.43.61.157)
Darla coming back?
First thought I had was that Darla will turn out to be the vampire whom the shanshu prophecy is about. It would be delicious if Spike and Angel were head-butting all season about this, and it turns out to be someone else!
Thing to remember about Darla is that when she was last dusted she had a soul at the time, albeit she was sharing her unborn son's, and that she died a champion - of and for that son. Not a grand save-the-world champion, but a more personal, individual, though not in any sense smaller or less important, champion.
And Darla would fit the whole 'will the vampire with a soul save or destroy the world' uncertainty better than Angel, or even Spike.
How does it come about? The SP's alteration of reality re Connor will be subject to the law of unintended consequences - in respect of Connor's oft-despised mother. (One thing to remember about the 'not remembering Connor' situation is that the only thing we know so far is that the othres don't recognise the name - they could simply recall him as 'Frank' for instance , although I doubt it will be that simple!)
While I'm here - Lindsay (probably with Eve) will take over W&H at the end of the season. It's what he always wanted, but I suspect he will do so on the side of good - he'd make a better job of it than Angel, being a greyer (not the 'boring' meaning) individual. We'll have a completely new premise for AtS s6.
I think Joss is making a statement that it is the personal relationships of family, friendship and love that are what rescues the world from evil, not the grand plans - especially 'war plans' - of those who hold executive (read 'political') power.
Честно говоря, о том, что шаншу может получить Дарла, я начала думать, когда узнала, что Джули Бенц была на вечеринке в честь 100 серии. Я бы очень - ОЧЕНЬ - хотела возвращения Дарлы, потому что шоу ужасно не хватает сильных женских характеров. Особенно теперь, когда Корди угрохали окончательно.
Еще один интересный пост.
Линда Барлоу со Stakehouse предложила очень забавную трактовку Soul Purpose (Линда сама писательница, но, правда, пишет не fantasy, а любовную прозу. Я не удержалась от комментариев, так что все, что по-русски - мое.
I was rewatching some eps today, including Soul Purpose. Given what we now
know about Fred's organs being eaten away from inside, leaving her just a
shell for Illeriya, I started to wonder if all Angel's parasite-induced
dreams might bear kernel of truth.
He dreamt about each member of the FG. The Fred dream, with her bear
assistant and all the strange objects she pulled out of Angel's body, has
already been discussed a lot, so I'll skip it here.
WESLEY: This dream seems pretty direct. Wesley comes to Angel, tells him
that it must be hard to finally come to grips with the truth. Then he
attacks Angel with a stake. We've seen Wesley shoot the cyborg he thought
was his father to protect Fred, so it's no big leap to guess that Wesley
will turn against Angel when Angel lets Fred die. Wesley is also the person
most likely to find out about the mind wipe, since he's the one most likely
to be poking around in W&H's library. We know that W&H keep a copy of every
contract they've ever made, so IMO they must have one that spells out the
terms of the infamous deal with Angel. This could mesh with Wes's comment
about "coming to grips with the truth."
А у меня такое впечатление, что Уэс сможет каким-то колдовским образом нейтализовать власть Иллирии и потребует, чтобы ее оставили в живых в "слабом" состоянии (см. конец дополнительных сайдзов). И конфликт возникнет не между "черным" Уэсом и "белым" Ангелом (это было бы слишком просто для Джоссверса), а между двумя непроверяемыми точками зрения: Уэс будет считать Иллирию безобидной, Ангел - опасной.
SPIKE: Angel's first dream of Spike is a redo of the "Cup of Eternal
Torment" scene where Spike beats him to the punch, as it were. In the
dream, though, Spike grimaces and appears illuminated and transformed --
just as he did in the moment before he began to burn in Chosen. However, it
is Angel whose flesh melts off as his skull bursts into flame.
Я тут подумала, что процесс в Chosen поделили на две части: одному вампику достались все преимущества (спасение мира), другому отрицательные последствия (превращение в факел).
Angel surely knows that if he had used the amulet last year in Sunnydale, he
would have been the one to do the pillar-of-fire thing. The whole amulet
story has not yet been explained (I won't be too surprised if it never is).
Surely it's not really Lindsey who recorped Spike -- I'm willing to buy
that he can leap around Matrix style and turn jacknives into swords, but
raising the dead? Ok, so Lindsey DID raise Darla from the dead, but he had
all the power of W&H backing him up at the time.
Я тоже думаю, что объяснять дальше насчет амулета - себе дороже. Я не уверена, кто конкретно стоит за Линдси, но силы у него немеряно. Амулет - "подарок СП", логично предположить, что инструкция по применению тоже была у них. А вот получил ли ее Линдси легально, по блату через Еву или по иным каналам - неизвестно.
Getting back to Angel, will he be the hero who dies a fiery death this
season? All the shanshu prophecy promises is that he will live until he
dies. That doesn't guarantee longevity.
MORE SPIKE: Angel's next dream of Spike has Blondie Bear in bed making love
to Buffy. Angel's worried that Spike is taking Buffy to the prom (LOL)
while Spike seems to be more concerned about being interrupted. He mentions
being a marathon man, which is obviously a sexual innuendo, but could also
refer to the movie of the same name. Nazis, torture -- both of those were
coming up for Spike with Soul Purpose aired.
Я почему-то сразу же вспомнила, что ДМ приводил пример "Марафонца" при обсуждении разных стилей актерской игры в интервью в журнале "Ангел" за январь 2004. Интересно, может быть этот вопрос обсуждался на съемочной площадке? И потом был включен в диалог как "инсайдерский" прикол?
Buffy mentions that she kills
her goldfish -- a reference to Angel's Fred dream as well as to Spike -- who
has been associated in the past with fish, fishes, Christ figures, etc.
The goldfish, said Fred in the Fred dream, is Angel's soul. It's dead and
should be flushed. A foreshadowing, perhaps of the re-emergence of Angelus?
Souless Angel killed Willow's goldfish back in BtVS season 2. That would be
a bang-up way to end the season -- Angel's soul is banished, leaving Angelus
to gloat over his victory, with only one vampire with a soul left in the
world -- Spike.
Интересно - здесь Линда (спайкофилка, насколько мне известно) совпадает с девушкой с форума Уток.
THE FANG GANG, including the W&H employees: In the next dream they're
watching the city burn, quite unconcerned, as if it were a movie. Sounds
like typical W&H behavior. "We have one scheduled" (an apocalyse) said
Holland back in season 2 during Angel's elevator ride to hell. As we heard
yesterday, it seems Joss has one scheduled this year, too.
SPIKE is again the focus of the follow-up dream -- he's the hero who
apparently stopped the apocalypse while Angel is the sad, no longer useful
mailman (like the former Mexican wrestler-hero). Spike has a huge cake
decorated with skyscrapers in flames. It says "Way to go, Spike!" on it,
which is rather ambiguous. We don't see Spike putting OUT those flames.
Ну, это, я думаю, из-за малого бюджета...
"It was nothing, really," says Spike, ominous words for some of us who've
followed WTP's posts over the years. To which Fred replies, "Nothing?
Spike, you single-handedly ended Armageddon and turned the world into a
beautiful, happily-ever-after, candy mountain place where all our dreams
come true."
The phrase "where all our dreams come true," is an intriguing one, isn't it?
Meanwhile Gunn describes the scene outside as "The Living End," which is
perhaps even more ominous. When the living ends, Gunn, you're dead.
When the Blue Fairy transforms Spike and his heart begins to beat, Fred is
the first one to listen. Next to listen is Gunn, who says, "Oh, I wanna
hear." No one else listens to Spike's heart, but Wesley says, in a play on
words, "Let's all hear it for Spike!"
We know Fred dies. She also listened to Angel's empty body in the Fred
dream ("I think I can hear the sea"). Is listening for a heartbeat similar
to walking up the stairs in Restless? Or speaking without moving the lips
in Restless, which I think maybe Joyce, Tara and Anya all did. If you
listen to Angel (i.e. follow him) are you doomed? I wouldn't put it past
Joss to kill the entire Fang Gang, although it does cause problems if the
show is renewed!
Ведон хотел закончить пятый сезон "Баффи" убийством всех, кроме Джайлза (да и его-то милостиво оставлял в живых только потому что собирался снимать "Риппера").
LORNE: They all listen to Angel in dream about Lorne, but Angel can't
manage to make any sound louder than a squeak. Lorne notes that "the
crowd's turning on you." The crowd, of course, consists of the Fang Gang.
THE GANG AGAIN: In the final dream, Angel is seated in an easy chair
outside in the daylight, with Fred, Gunn, Wesley and Lorne gathered round
him. Is he human here, and thus able to sit in the sun? Or he is dead?
WESLEY
You can stay as long as you like. Stay forever.
ANGEL
But I'm not supposed to be here.
LORNE
No fighting, Angel heart. Time to let freedom ring. Let yourself go.
Ну, если уж играть в ассоциации с названиями фильмов, нельзя не вспомнить "Сердце Ангела" Алана Паркера. Частного детектива Микки Рурка нанимает некий богач Лу Сайфер (Де Ниро), чтобы тот нашел пропавшего человека. Детектив начинает расследование, трупы падают направо и налево, а под конец выясняется, что всех убивал сам детектив, хотя и не помнил об этом (mindwipe). А Лу Сайфер - это современное прочтение имени Люцифер (люблю я игры с именами). И еще одна маленькая деталька: в одной из финальных сцен все тот же Де Ниро, что играет Люцифера, на мгновение появляется в кадре в виде Христа.
All four members of the FG scream as if they're dying horribly as the
parasite is removed by Spike from Angel's chest.
И Фред начинает кричать первой.
If Wes, Lorne, Fred, and Gunn die (punishment for working for W&H??), the
season could end with Angel still alive, but distraught over the tragic
results of the deal he made. (Or he could die a hero, like Buffy in The
Gift -- which is kinda what we all expect, no?) If the show is renewed for
another season, Angel might be forced to somehow reverse the W&H contract --
trading Connor's safe new existence for the restoration of his friends at
the point just before they joined W&H. Spike, presumably, would not be
affected, barring complications with the amulet spell. Neither would
Harmony. Connor would die. So would Cordy, but since she's dead anyway
that's not really a factor.
What could ever induce the SPs to make such a deal? The usual price of a
bargain with the Devil is one's soul. So Angel dies, leaving Angelus back
in control of his body at the end of season 5.
Or not <g>
--Linda
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