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Сью в восторге от идеи, а мне вот кажется, что это выжимание денег из фанатов и ничего больше :-\ Правда, мне и от кукольного Ангела было муторно... но - в ангельском превращении хотя бы метафорический смысл был, а тут какой смысл?..
Скорее всего, ты права. Мне трудно представить как Линч впишет эту историю в канон пятого сезона. Но с другой стороны, комиксы про Баффи - не выжимание денег? Мне кажется, я не смогу воспринять "настоящую" Баффи отдельно от Сары. Это так, фанфик в картинках. Причем Джосс даже сказал, что если когда-нибудь будет снимать кино, похерит весь этот комиксовый сезон как неканонический.
Сью в восторге от идеи, а мне вот кажется, что это выжимание денег из фанатов и ничего больше :-\ Правда, мне и от кукольного Ангела было муторно... но - в ангельском превращении хотя бы метафорический смысл был, а тут какой смысл?..
Скорее всего, ты права. Мне трудно представить как Линч впишет эту историю в канон пятого сезона. Но с другой стороны, комиксы про Баффи - не выжимание денег? Мне кажется, я не смогу воспринять "настоящую" Баффи отдельно от Сары. Это так, фанфик в картинках. Причем Джосс даже сказал, что если когда-нибудь будет снимать кино, похерит весь этот комиксовый сезон как неканонический.
Какой смысл тогда вообще его читать? Тогда это действительно все лишь фанфик, как и все остальные комиксы.
ППКС.
Если честно, после ложных обещаний фильма (которые, как я теперь думаю, имели своей главной целью измерить и поддержать в теплющемся состоянии интерес фанов), а теперь еще и выхода этих комиксов, я все больше разочаровываюсь в самом Джоссе. *грустно* Понятно, конечно, что даже гениям хочется меньше трудиться и больше зарабатывать, но от "своего" гения такое меркантильное отношение все равно как-то трудно принять. Не говоря уж о том, что на качестве продукции оно тоже сказывается: халтура, она халтура и есть :-/
Про меркантильность Джосса - он человк своего времени и своего общества, так что, боюсь, нам нечего ждать чудесного и чистого Оно есть постолку поскольку... ... В чудесное и чистое с тем или иным успехом играем мы сами...играем до сих пор...и всё ещё вдохновенно!!! (в данном случае говрю за себя, но смею надеяться, среди нас есть ещё довольно много людей, для которых нет крышесноса сильнее "BtVS") В своё время этот мир спас меня от очень чёрной дыры, так что я "упёртая-упёртая".
Насчет меркантильности: думаю, за комиксы платят гораздо меньше, чем за кино или за телешоу. Так что Джосс занимается почти благотворительностью.
А насчет качества, пожалуй, я согласна - без актеров это будет уже совсем не то. И дело даже не в халтурном подходе, а в том, что у Джосса до сих пор все замыкалось на актеров. Смачные диалоги. Сильные и сложные эмоции. Я столкнулась с этим, когда начала делать движущиеся аватарки. Режешь капсы - и каждый сам по себе неплох, но подлинная эмоция возникает только в движении.
Но, с другой стороны, Джосс же наверняка понимает это не хуже нас. И если человеку хочется продолжать историю своих любимых героев, и у него есть возможность это жделать - карты ему в руки. Вдруг получится так интересно, что снимут фильм с участием цифровых актеров?
Платье какое-то странное. Но выглядит Сара хорошо. А еще я прочитала, что Уилл Смит очень хотел, чтобы Сара поздоровалась с его сынишкой, котому что тот без ума от "Баффи". Кстати, она снималась с его женой в "Крике-2".
Главный редактор DH выступил, разобъяснил, чего ждать в течение ближайшего года
выпуск 1-4 - история Баффи (автор - Джосс) Выпуск 5 - какая-то отдельная история (standalone, автор Пол Ли) Выпуск 6-9 - история Фэйт (автор Брайан К. Воэн) выпуск 10-13 - история Ксандера (автор Дрю Годдард)
По штуке в месяц - значит, все расписано уже до апреля 2008 года.
Или у меня глюки, или в нижней части картинки, рядом с Джайлзом - Спайк... В этом случае, по крайней мере, понятно, почему Баффстер пошла на боевое задание полуголая.
Боле поздняя добавка: все выяснилось. Это просто панелька из старого комикса. Черт бы их подрал!
Скачать первые пять страниц первого номера можно тут.
+ интервью.
'Buffy' creator Joss Whedon has the heroine returning for a comics-style Season 8.
By Kate Aurthur, Times Staff Writer March 4, 2007
WHEN audiences last saw the cast of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" in May 2003, Buffy and her friends had won a nearly apocalyptic battle between good and evil. Their hometown of Sunnydale, Calif. — also known as the Hellmouth — was a gargantuan pit as a result. After peering into the crater, Buffy, played by Sarah Michelle Gellar, walked away with a smile, and the television series came to a close after seven seasons.
On March 14, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" will return in comic book form. Joss Whedon, "Buffy's" creator, has written the first five issues and will oversee — or "executive produce," he says — the whole arc as if it were a television show. Whedon has enlisted former "Buffy" staff writers, along with a few writers from the comic book world, to join him in continuing the story, which is scheduled to run for at least 30 issues to be released monthly. Whedon, the show's fans and the series' publisher, Dark Horse Comics, have deemed it "Buffy Season Eight."
"When you create a universe, you don't stop living in that universe — I know a lot of the fans didn't," Whedon said. "But I was surprised to find myself back in it so firmly as well."
It's yet another reinvention for "Buffy," which Whedon turned into a TV series after being disappointed with the results of the frothy 1992 movie, starring Kristy Swanson, that he had written. So, in summary: "Buffy Season Eight" is a comic book run like the television series from which it came, which itself evolved out of a feature film — a classic evolving specimen for this era of ever-shifting media platforms.
The common element is Whedon, 42, the movie-TV-comics auteur behind "Buffy," "Angel," an "X-Men" comic series, the screenplay of "Toy Story," and the flop television show "Firefly" as well as its movie resurrection, "Serenity." In recent years, he has expressed frustration with both the television and movie businesses, but the less pressure-filled world of comics has been a constant.
Scott Allie, senior managing editor at Dark Horse Comics, knows his company is benefiting from Whedon's urge to create more "Buffy" stories. Excitedly and without hesitation, Allie said, "Oh, it's gonna be huge."
A moderate ratings success on the WB and for its final two seasons on UPN, "Buffy" nevertheless inspired as worshipful a cult as you can find in the pop landscape. It told the sneakily dark coming-of-age story of a young woman who was special, in that she was chosen to save the world from vampire-led evil, but yearned to fit in. Buffy was surrounded by loving friends and family, bad boyfriends, and demons. Her high school was literally hell, she died a couple of times during the series, and as her tombstone once read, "she saved the world — a lot."
Since the show ended, "Buffy" fans have made do with what was left to them. Across the Internet, the show continues to be parsed: its feminism, its use of language, its influence on current shows such as "Lost," "Heroes" and "Veronica Mars."
More concretely, a public sing-along of the show's musical episode, "Once More With Feeling," has grown so popular that its inventor, a film programmer from Brooklyn, is planning a "Rocky Horror Picture Show"-like national tour. Penguin recently published "The Physics of the Buffyverse," a book in which science writer Jennifer Ouellette explains the principles of physics using examples from "Buffy" and its spinoff, "Angel," which ran from 1999 to 2004.
"It really was like being home again," Whedon said wistfully about returning to "Buffy." " 'Oh, here are my old friends. They're so funny!' You can hear their voices so specifically. It was a comic spoken in the voices of actors you worked with for seven or eight years."
Whedon, interviewed over lunch at the Four Seasons Hotel in Beverly Hills, looks like a ruffled college student. A third-generation television writer, he has a deadpan delivery but affects voices as he talks to illustrate or emphasize important points. "Buffy" was known for its characters' tone and banter, and hearing him is like listening to the show — making its translation into comics reliant on, or at least greatly enhanced by, a reader's familiarity with the original.
Or, as Jane Espenson, a former writer and co-executive producer of "Buffy" who has signed up for comic book duty, put it: "The voices of those characters are in my head forever and ever. The reason characters talked like that on 'Buffy' is they talked a bit like Joss — and we all ended up talking like Joss."
Season 8 begins
DARK Horse's Allie said that the voices come through in the comic's dialogue, and the visuals will reward fans. "You don't have cute Sarah Michelle Gellar running around, but you've got good-looking characters and much better-looking monsters."
Oregon-based Dark Horse, one of the country's largest comic book producers, has published works by Frank Miller and Mike Mignola and also many tie-ins with Hollywood, such as "Star Wars," "Alien vs. Predator" and "The Mask." Dark Horse published the ancillary "Buffy" comics that came out during the show's run, which Whedon had little to do with. There were "Angel" comics too. Later, Whedon co-wrote a series that bridged the gap between "Firefly," his canceled Fox show, and "Serenity," the movie rebirth of it in September 2005.
All the while, Allie was interested in a "Buffy" comic that "replaces the TV show in a way we never could do before." A year ago, he opened an e-mail from Whedon, and it unexpectedly contained the script for the first issue of "Buffy." Allie remembered thinking, happily, "Oh, OK, so you're going to write this?"
Until then, Whedon had been hopeful that a series of TV movies based on "Buffy's" costars would be produced by 20th Century Fox Television, the studio behind the television show. The movie spinoffs would be able to get around the inconvenient truth that Gellar no longer wanted to play Buffy by sending fan-favorite characters like Willow (Alyson Hannigan) and Spike (James Marsters) on their own adventures.
"It was a pipe dream ultimately, because I think the studio thought they could do this for no money — that everybody would show up because we're all buddies," Whedon said. "But I don't think they noticed that everybody seems to have careers. It was an unrealistic business model. And once I realized that, I just decided, 'I can find a man to draw them instead!' " (20th Century Fox Television declined to comment.)
In the year since Whedon wrote the first issue, he and Dark Horse worked on finding the right artists and assembling a team of writers. From the "Buffy" world, Espenson, Drew Goddard, Drew Greenberg, Doug Petrie and Steven DeKnight have said they will contribute; from the comics side, Jeph Loeb and Brad Meltzer joined the project; and Brian K. Vaughan will write the four-arc series after Whedon's first five issues.
Vaughan's series will focus on Faith, a recalcitrant slayer who was Buffy's friend, then her nemesis and finally her ally. "When I sat down with Brian to talk about his arc, that was the closest I'd been to a writers' room since I left television," Whedon said. "You know what? It felt so great."
Espenson said she'd like to write "comedic stand-alone" issues throughout "Buffy Season Eight." She said: " 'Buffy' was a show that Joss ran from top to bottom. I liked working for Joss as a show runner, and I hope he's really, really running this." She paused, and laughed: " 'Tell me what to do, Joss, and I'll do it!' "
Some work situations run more smoothly than others.
As Whedon was getting "Buffy Season Eight" up and running, he was supposed to be writing and then directing a high-profile comic adaptation: the movie version of "Wonder Woman" with Warner Bros. After having been associated with the long-gestating project since March 2005, Whedon announced he was quitting last month on the fan site Whedonesque.com, writing, "We just saw different pictures."
When asked to elaborate, he didn't really. "I don't want to go into it too much, because they still own that script," he said. And then: "I cannot tell you what they wanted. Because they never told me what they wanted. When I asked them, 'Well, what is it that you want?' They said, 'We cannot tell you.' I can tell you what they didn't want: Me!" And then: "And they treated me extremely well; I'm not trying to slam." (Warner Bros. declined to comment.)
Many roads ahead
BUT Whedon is clearly unhappy about the experience and the time wasted: "You know, when you get into a giant thing like 'Wonder Woman,' to add up to nothing — it's going to be four years between projects. I don't have that many four years."
He said he will now focus on "Goners," an original screenplay he wrote and is developing to direct for Universal that he called "a ghastly tale of female empowerment — something new for me!"
He would also like to return to television, after telling Variety in 2004, "I have a bitter taste in my mouth with where TV has gone in the past five years." Whedon said the experience he had with "Firefly," which was canceled after 11 episodes, taught him what guarantees he would need to go back. "I don't want another 'Firefly.' I can't do that. It hurts too much," he said. "I'll learn to golf or something instead. And that, by the way, is not going to help the golf world.
"But because of the new media, because of DVDs, because of the Internet, there are so many new avenues that basically I feel like I can go back to TV when I have the power to set up a paradigm wherein I know I can complete a story."
For now, he has more "Buffy" stories to tell. Espenson said that, knowing Whedon, she was not surprised he came back to "Buffy."
"It's about youth. It's about feminism," she said. "Strength and learning who you are. It's hard to imagine a franchise that captures as much of Joss' soul as this one does."
But in reflecting on it himself, Whedon wonders. "I was like, 'Am I really an artist of integrity, or am I just grieving for my mom? What's going on here?' I have so many questions about why I do that — why I go back to that well when I could be moving forward." He hesitated, then said: "But the fact of the matter is when you work with people you love, you want to work with them more. Same goes with characters."
SAN FRANCISCO, CA, March 3, 2007 – Warner Home Video, DC Comics and Warner Bros. Animation are set to release an all-new original movie Superman Doomsday on September 18, 2007.
Utilizing the vast history and tradition of DC Comic’s classic comic book stories along with a more provocative and action-packed story line for avid comic fans as well as kids and their parents, Superman Doomsday features the voices of Adam Baldwin (“Independence Day”) as Superman, Anne Heche (“Men in Trees”) as Lois Lane and James Marsters (“Buffy the Vampire Slayer”) as Lex Luthor, and will be available for $19.98. Order due date is August 14, 2007.
Summer Glau's role & name in Terminator Series is revealed.
Lena Headey, who stars in the the Fox SF drama pilot The Sarah Connor Chronicles, told SCI FI Wire that the show will begin with a confrontation between Headey's title character; her son, John Connor (Heroes' Thomas Dekker); and two new Terminators: a female model, played by Serenity's Summer Glau, and a male one, which she called Cromartie, played by Owain Yeoman. One is good and one is bad; she didn't say which is which. (Glau's character is named Cameron, an apparent nod to Terminator franchise creator James Cameron.)
The pilot, which picks up the story from the end of the feature film Terminator 2: Judgment Day, begins in the desert, and "it ends with them landing in L.A., having run and escaped. Or maybe not," Headey said in an interview at WonderCon in San Francisco on March 3.
"We just finished [shooting]," Headey (300) said. "We were in Albuquerque [N.M.] for a month. And it was very intense, because TV is crazy. I mean, it's long days. It's like boom, boom, boom. You don't get any respite. But ... I think it's going to be great. I don't know if its going to be picked up, because it's only in pilot stage right now. But I learned to shoot many weapons and how to recognize a Terminator. So it was a good experience."
The pilot "begins, and it's them basically running, hiding, trying to live," Headey said. "Trying to carve out a normal life for themselves, but always being watched and trying to locate Skynet, trying to stop [it]. But there are many, many issues in their way." — Patrick Lee, News Editor
Why Buffy still slays us Show was staked years ago, but it's back as a comic book.
Mar 04, 2007 04:30 AM
Malene Arpe Nikki Stafford
Buffy slayed her first vampire 10 years ago Saturday. The series ended after seven seasons. The WB, which originally aired Joss Whedon's show, ended last year. Why should we still care about a blonde in high heels killing creatures of the night?
Only because Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the best show ever on television, of course. D'uh!
All right, we're fans. Nikki wrote a book, Bite Me!: An Unofficial Guide to the World of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, about it. Malene on a regular basis bores perfect strangers with her nattering about the show.
But there is reason to revisit the topic besides an anniversary. It's still on the minds of millions of other fans. Thoughtful books keep being published analyzing the show, adding to its cultural cachet. Its influence is being felt on TV's best shows (see graphic opposite). And this month, Dark Horse Comics releases the first instalment of the 26-part Whedon-penned "eighth season," The Long Way Home – Part One. It's as good an excuse as any to talk about our favourite subject.
Malene: I was a latecomer to Buffy and didn't catch up until somewhere around the beginning of Season 6 via DVDs and reruns. But I was hooked from the moment I saw Darla attack the boy in the school hallway. What about you? Did you watch from the first episode 10 years ago, and what convinced you Buffy was special?
Nikki: The first episode I saw was "I Robot, You Jane," the low point of Season 1. So I ran screaming from the show, until other people whose taste I admired said, "No, really, you must watch this show." Someone lent me the tapes during the Season 2 April hiatus, and I watched them straight through and was completely in love. For me, the show just clicked because it showed high school as something other than the magical, happy place from other shows. I loved the metaphor that the high school was built on a Hellmouth and it was the language that convinced me this was special. To this day, I can just read favourite lines from the episodes and I'm laughing out loud (or getting weepy). Of course, despite loving many episodes in the first season, it was Season 2 that really made me say, "WOW." And to this day I think it's still my favourite for sheer pain and heartache. It begins with us not liking Buffy very much, then her boyfriend turns evil, and by the end of the season, she's forced to put a sword through his heart ... at the very moment he becomes good again. That scene still slays me.
Malene: I also think Season 2 is wonderful. The grand love story and, with the finale, an understanding that this is not some silly teenage show. However, I must admit I have a weakness for Season 6, a season often vilified for dealing with the everyday instead of the big supernatural bad. But, despite the fumbled magic-as-substance-addiction metaphor, I think it's the season that best conveys what I believe the whole series is about: the possibility of choosing redemption. It also has some of my favourite episodes. The musical, of course, but also the incredibly funny "Tabula Rasa." I've seen it too many times to count, and it still makes me laugh. Besides, Season 6 has all that illicit Spike sex, which is always easy on the eyes, but also speaks to the point that Buffy is simultaneously the most moral and the most immoral show on television. This is not, by the way, something I cleverly came up with, but the thesis of Gregory Stevenson's book Televised Morality: The Case of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaking of books, there's a mountain of academic texts on both Buffy and its spinoff, Angel. I think it's safe to say that nothing else on television has inspired this kind of egghead devotion. For a show that on a regular basis featured really bad CGI snakes, robot love slaves and discussions about pancakes, that's pretty good going. What do you think is at the core of this interest?
Nikki: I agree the Buffy scholarship is leagues ahead of that of any other TV show. I think it stems from the fact the show could be seen as an allegory of the human condition. (I know that sounded WAY too deep, but bear with me.) Those who have never watched the show avoid it because of the title. Buffy the Vampire Slayer sounds like it's one notch below Scooby-Doo. But the monsters in the show are metaphorical: sure, Buffy's battling them every night and they are tangible, but they stand for teenage angst, the monsters that adolescents fight every day. The fact she's being pushed into a calling she never asked for is representative of the pressures faced by young people every day. The show dealt with heavy issues: divorce; sibling rivalries; puberty; death; homosexuality; love; loss of love ... the list is endless. Name any kind of emotional pain, this show dealt it out in spades. Each character is representative of a whole group, and a lot of the academic scholarship focuses on facets of the individuals. Or why Buffy's pancakes were shaped differently than Xander's.
Another massive appeal is that the characters changed and developed. Buffy started as a snappy, cocky 16-year-old girl, and ended as a 23-year-old woman who'd seen more death and horrors than 10 people in their lifetimes. Willow was the wallflower who ended up a confident, powerful woman capable of anything. Along the way, both hit rock bottom and had to claw their way back up (Buffy, quite literally). What was your favourite character development?
Malene: As I said, I'm all about the redemption, which, of course, means that I have to pick Spike's arc. He starts out as gleefully evil and ends up willingly sacrificing himself to save the world. Although, to a certain degree, I agree with those who claim Whedon betrayed the whole girl power thing by, after seven years of Buffy kicking ass, having the fate of all mankind end up in the hands of a guy. A very pretty guy, but still.
So, the fact we're talking about this show some four years after it was cancelled speaks both to the endurance of the show and to the fact that maybe we don't get out very much. Do you think that 25 years from now Buffy will still be relevant? Is it an enduring work of art or are we just arguing it is so we can talk about vampires?
Nikki: You're right – Spike was the one sacrificed, but Buffy lived on, and her power has been disseminated among other slayerettes so the gals will continue to save the world. In 25 years, I do think the show will be relevant. Sure, the pop culture references will seem outdated, but the core of the show transcends its time. The original Star Trek is 40 this year, and the outfits, hair, and technology on the ship are about as archaic as they come, but it endures because of the message. Buffy was originally seen as a kids' show, then became critically acclaimed, and is now regarded as one of the best series ever. It would be nice to see the sister show, Angel, get its due as well. While I'll stick up for the girl power quotient in the Buffy finale, I thought Angel's finale far surpassed it.
Malene: I didn't particularly swoon over Angel while he was on Buffy – except when he started smoking and torturing people for sport – but I really grew to like him on his own show. Angel the series was darker from the beginning and I agree the finale was both way better than Buffy's and, in my opinion, one of the best series finales ever. You just sat there stunned and sad and uplifted at the same time.
But it's really never over. Fan fiction and art, fan movies, ongoing plot discussions on televisionwithoutpity.com, shout-outs on other shows, obsession with every move Whedon makes on whedonesque.com and so on and so forth. And, of course, now an eighth season in comic-book form. Written by Whedon! Canon!
I'm just a tiny little bit excited. What about you? Also, what shows since Buffy and Angel have been off the air have filled the void for you?
Nikki: Oh, I am SO excited for the comic book. Anything about Buffy that is sanctioned by Whedon, involving the actual writers of the show ...I'm in heaven.
The thing that's come closest to Buffy, for me, is Lost, which is why I wrote my latest book, Finding Lost, about it. It's a very different show, but the writing, acting, and directing reminds me of Buffy. The two shows are primarily dramas, but have moments of high comedy. For the most part, I've found several shows to replace aspects of Buffy. Veronica Mars for the sassy female lead and fun ensemble cast of helpers; Six Feet Under for the angst; Lost and Heroes for the genre element and ensemble casts; The Office for the laugh-out-loud hilarity. I watch a LOT of television, but nothing has replaced Buffy. Every time I sit down to watch episodes of Buffy, I almost weep, I miss it so much.
And I'm not alone. The fans keep talking about this show, as you say, and one thing that helps keep the show alive is that accessibility of Whedon himself. He is a god among Buffy/Angel/Firefly fans, yet he doesn't sit in an ivory tower. He's always posting over on whedonesque.com, and his posts are classic. He paid attention to the fans and interacted while the shows were on the air, and he's never stopped. I think the fans very much influenced the direction of the show.
Malene: It's hard to say. On one hand, Whedon always appears super-appreciative of fan feedback, but on the other, he famously said (after killing popular character Tara and facing the wrath of a lot of lesbian fans) he wants to give the audience what they need, not what they want. It's his world, or 'verse – to be all fannish – and we just visit. But you're so right about missing the show. I had hopes for Veronica Mars, but the effort to gain ratings has mostly killed its charm. I do love Battlestar Galactica, because it's dark and brutal and full of despair. But you're right again that you need a bunch of shows to replace the one that had it all. So, do you want a bit of a spoiler from the comic book or can you wait for it to come out on Tuesday?
Nikki: While I agree about Joss doing most things on his terms, he also listened to a lot of the fan reactions and took them to heart. There wouldn't have even been a lesbian couple as prominent as theirs if the fans hadn't been asking over and over again why there weren't any major gay characters on the show.
Spike was supposed to die after five episodes, and he lasted right to the end ...and then some. The Initiative was supposed to be all of Season 4, but the fans loathed that whole government plot SO much it was relegated to a minor subplot. Then Riley, the most hated of the Buffy boyfriends, was kicked off the show. But, for the most part, the show was Whedon's, and we just had to join the ride.
As for the comic book, yes, I can't wait. Though, I'm not a huge fan of spoilers, so maybe something small?
Malene: Hmmmm ... Maybe just this then: Buffy and The Immortal? Maybe not exactly what you'd think from watching the last season of Angel ...
все же своя прелесть в том, что я болею --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Прелесть - прелестью - но ты давай выздоравливай скорее! Кстати, я сама вся простуженная - хорошо, что можно не выходить из дома, детки приволокли из магазина каких-то вкусностей...
Во-вторых, иду качать комикс, все же святое дело, Васкес, огромное спасибо )))
Потом расскажешь о впечатлениях. :-) У меня в ЖЖ сейчас такая дискуссия развернулась...
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В-третьих, думаю, все заметили, что у нас закончилось Gold Community, продлевать или нет?
Gold Community - это чтобы нам рекламы не вкорячивали? Она, конечно, раздражает. А что нужно сделать, чтобы продлить? Я просто совершенно не в курсе (*краснеет*). Если это напряжно или дорого - наверное, не стоит. Сейчас почти все переместилось в ЖЖ, а здесь что-то вроде доски объявлений.
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