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Кристин/Ванда спросила Джордана Левина о том, почему они закрыли "Ангела", и вот что он ответил:
"The big problem with Angel is it didn't repeat well," Levin said. "It wasn't growing its audience, but it was a show we loved. We adored that show. It was a really hard decision. Joss Whedon came to me in February and said, 'If you don't think the show is going to come back, I'd rather know it now, so I can end it appropriately.' When we looked at our schedule, with Charmed, 7th Heaven, Gilmore Girls, Angel and Smallville, we realized we had a lot of veteran series. And one of the challenges of any schedule is to let your veterans retire so you can make room for the rookies, like Jack and Bobby and The Mountain. It's a balancing act, and it's not fun. That was a sad day."
Фотки со съемок нового ужастика Эмбер "El Intermedio". Вторая фотка красноречиво свидетельствует о том, что героине Эмбер не жить. Plot Outline: A group of friends trapped in a tunnel on the mexican border fall prey to tortured ghosts.
Ходять слухи, что готовится новый мюзикл, основанный на Buffy и Angel. Слухи распространяет и слейерверс.
According to Sky News, a musical based on both shows is in pre-production. Rumour.
Thanks to Donna at the Slayerverse newsgroup for the information.
From the Entertainment Section in Sky News Active
Neil Sean's Showbiz Gossip
With Buffy The Vampire Slayer finished and spin off Angel also ending look out for a musical based on both of the shows.
Sources told me
"Yes, its in pre-production and we're looking at trying out towards the end of the year."
DISCLAIMER: At the moment, no further details are available, so please treat this as you would any other rumour.
Фанат прислал фотки со съемок Serenity. Вдруг кому надо.
Посмотрела я в imdb о режиссере, который ставить Mr. Fix-It. В фильмографии товарища два фильма, один вышел только на видео, премьера второго состоялась на ТВ. Похоже, новый фильм тоже снимается для видео.
Нашла интересную статью об AtS на ASSB
Dead Ethics : ANGEL Formed a New Morality - Ak13.com Review From Ak13.com - By Jonn Elledge - 2004-06-17th
Behind the self-conscious mockery and bad special effects was one of the darkest and most adult drama series of the last 5 years, containing messages about ’doing the right thing’.
It was the show that gave us a Torto demon and its parasite singing a duet of the Everly Brothers’ ’Goodbye Love’. It gave us a Loa, in the form of a giant hamburger, predicting earthquakes and fire. And who could forget ’Smile Time’, an evil Sesame Street where the puppets were demons planning to suck out children’s souls - "We eat babies lives!" "And uphold a certain standard of quality edutainment". Yes, Angel, the forgotten Buffy spin-off show about the good vampire with bad hair, has come to an end.
It is not hard to see why the series failed to strike a chord with some critics. After all, the main cast included a camp, green, alcoholic demon that could read people’s minds, but only when they sang karaoke. Even the mother series mocked it: "A vampire with a soul? How lame is that?" What is more, some people noted that David Boreanaz’s deficiencies as an actor extended beyond his quiff.
But somehow, it worked. Behind the self-conscious mockery and bad special effects was one of the darkest and most adult drama series of the last five years, containing serious messages about redemption and ’doing the right thing’.
From the outset, atonement was always the show’s central theme. The main characters all had shameful moments in their histories, whether allowing genocide by inaction, or merely being the uber-bitch of Sunnydale High. And this was never clearer than in the character of Angel himself. In his evil phase, he spent two hundred years terrorising Europe through murder, torture and an unconvincing Irish accent. After the return of his soul, he felt the full guilt of his actions, and made it his mission to atone by helping others. Furthermore, a prophecy foretold that a reward awaited him, that he would, one day, become human.
So far, so comic book. Yet, from the first episode, when the week’s damsel in distress turned up in a body bag shortly before the second advert break, it was clear that redemption was not so simple. In time, Angel became obsessed with searching for the big gesture; the one that would allow him to become a modern Pinocchio. He fixed on the idea of destroying evil law firm Wolfram and Hart, only to discover that the forces behind it were eternal. Hell was here on Earth: nothing he could ever do would fully destroy the firm. But, rather than this news destroying him, he felt liberated and understood that: "If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do." Small victories are their own reward; the fight is not about the prize, but about doing the right thing.
The fact that a final victory could never be achieved made Angel realise that redemption did not come from winning the prize, only from fighting for it: the work was both punishment and reward. "I used to think that there’d be a point when I’d paid my dues," Angel explained to one-time evil slayer Faith, when persuading her to consider penance. "But our time is never up; we pay for everything."
The impossibility of a final victory made Angel a much darker beast than the mother series, and set the tone for its ending. The last episode of Buffy returned the show to its girl power roots, showing the world that you can do anything if you put your mind to it. Angel suggested otherwise, ending with the surviving members of the gang facing a battle they already knew they could not win. But, somehow, the decision to fight on in the face of such futility only makes it more life affirming. "What would you do if you found out that none of it matters?" one character asks another. "I would get moving because there’s more to do," she replies. Because if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do.
This difference in the two series’ messages reflects the way they end for a single character. In the final Buffy, Spike - the other vampire with a soul - dies a glorious hero’s death, conveniently saving the world in the process. When hidden players magically resurrect him for Angel’s last season, he ultimately finds himself just another bloodstained soldier facing certain death in a back-alley in a storm, but when asked to risk his life for the cause, he does not hesitate. True heroes do not fight for glory or a prize; they fight because it is the right thing to do.
The show makes this message even clearer through the development of the character Wesley Wyndham-Price. When Wesley first appeared in Buffy five years ago, he was a one-joke character: the new watcher, naive, wet, looking like James Bond but acting like Miss Moneypenny. As the years went on, he grew into one of the darkest and most complex characters in either series. He became the respected leader he wanted to be, but then love and betrayal broke his spirit.
In one of the series’ darkest episodes, he kept quiet about his own pain to tell a friend that things will get better for them all. But he is wrong. Over the next three years, he has his throat slit, finds himself cut off from his friends and sees two of his lovers die. Yet, despite his isolation, his dedication to the cause is never in doubt. Sleeping with the enemy does not corrupt him; instead, he tries to save her. In the last episode, he confesses that he has nothing left to live for. But he still fights on. All he has left is the belief that he can help to make a better world.
Wesley’s growth from comedy loser to tragic hero is the most obvious manifestation of the show’s willingness to let characters grow and change, an attitude that won Whedon’s shows much of their critical acclaim. Ironically, it was also Angel’s downfall.
Talking about his network’s reasons for cancelling the show, ex-Warner Brothers Executive Jordan Levin explained: "The big problem with Angel is it didn’t repeat well." The format varies between episodes, story arcs can take years to pan out and interpersonal relationships shift in more ways than just who currently dates whom. Any viewer that turned off midway through season one and came back three years later would be utterly lost. And, in a TV industry that makes most of its money through syndication, a series where even fans could lose track if they tuned in mid-season was never going to be a real earner.
But there are signs that the effort was worthwhile for those that stuck with the show. Every year, E! Online runs a "Save One Show" campaign, where readers vote on a series facing cancellation that they would most like to get another chance. This year, more than 400,000 people voted: 85 per cent of them for Angel. Even taking the obsessive fan factor into account, this was clearly a popular show.
Yet the Warner Brothers television network ignored the pleas. They cancelled the show. But, as Angel was often at pains to point out, victory is not everything. Sometimes, it means something just to show up for the fight.
"Quoth he, ’The man hath penance done, And penance more will do" (Samuel Taylor Coleridge, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner).
Васкес, спасибо за информацию ) Не знаю, что там с этим фильмом ДБ будет, с одной стороны комедии ему хорошо удаются, с другой стороны - режиссер, судя по всему, не совсем тот, который для большого экрана.. в общем, посмотрим )
И статью эту я уже третий день пытаюсь прочитать, все не дают, сейчас как сяду и как прочитаю! *ушла читать, размахивая тазиком*
Закрылся знаменитый сайт Totally David Boreanaz, абыдно, однако! Вот что сказала хозяйка сайта: After consideration, I have come to the decision to wrap up this site. After 5 years of building the site up into one where hopefully you came to enjoy and learn all about David's projects, it was not easy to come to this decision.
I was hoping to cover David's up and coming exciting new projects as this site always has been in support of his work and not just one show, but circumstances have led me to make a tough choice.
I thank all my visitors for support of this site and was just pleased that I was able to enjoy this talented man's life and work with you. It has also been my pleasure to meet many of you over the years.
TDBUK wishes David all the best for his future projects.
One Last Angel Rant: So I got the new Entertainment Weekly (Tom Hanks cover), and there's a report on the final ratings for every broadcast series from the past season. Curiousity got the best of me, and I decided to check out how The WB's shows stacked up. Obviously, I did it out of my Angel fandom.
Get this: of the top seven WB shows, Angel was the ONLY ONE that posted a gain this year. Its overall ratings were up 8%. That's not super-huge, but it's fairly significant for a show in its fifth season. The other six all dove, some precipitously. 7th Heaven dropped 15%. Smallville plummeted by a stunning 25% from last year. Everwood and Charmed both dropped 4%. Reba lost 11%. And critical darling Gilmore Girls went down 21%. For an even more shocking number, the final episode this year posted almost 1.5 million more viewers than normal; stunningly the numbers for the finale even beat the numbers for the finale of its parent show, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Clearly, something was going on here.
In addition to the "show reset" that Angel did this year, the show sold strongly on DVD (the first three seaons are out) and has become a staple of TNT's syndication rotation. Essentially, that means that The WB's argument that Angel was inaccessible to new viewers has an awful lot of holes. If all of TV is a game of numbers and money, then I'm frankly baffled as to why a show with growing numbers that's obviously capable of generating money gets dumped when other gems of the net are bleeding viewers. What's more remarkable is that the two genre shows that were alleged to take Angel's place, the ill-conceived Dr. Smith-less Lost in Space remake and the ill-conceived hasn't-this-failed-once-already Dark Shadows re-remake, both failed to make The WB's fall slate. What will occupy the old Angel slot? Sketch comedy shows from Drew Carey (who already had a sitcom AND a sketch comedy show shitcanned by ABC in the last year) and Jeff Foxworthy's redneck comics.
The only thing that seems to make any sense at all is the fact that The WB blanched because they had to pay a bit more for the show, since it was a 20th Century Fox production. Still, increased ratings, word-of-mouth, and the ability to sell product are usually seen as desirable things. The fact that UPN didn't pick up Angel they way they did with Buffy (which was not cancelled, but rather, moved) has more to do with the fact that UPN lost money on the Buffy manuever and is busy pissing away cash on the swiftly sinking Enterprise (all I need to say there is "Alien Nazis"; didn't Roddenberry already beat the @#%$ out of that dead horse once?).
I believe that the Angel situation and the bleak nature of the fall line-up for every network underscores my earlier point: the broadcast networks become more irrelevent by the year. Fates willing, Whedon can reconvene his big stars in the next year or two and give the Buffyverse the big, all-star action blow-out it deserves as a final chapter. Until then there's animation, DVD, comics, and the glimmering hope that is cable.
И - ежели кому скучно, обнаружила подборку всех сплетен со съемочной площадки "Баффи".
Спускаетесь по странице примерно на 3\4, находите пост One Cold Canadian Забавное чтиво, но многое стоит делить на 10. Мне было интересно посмотреть на размеры гонораров. Кстати, на той же страничке - роскошные фото ДБ и Элисон Ханниган
WHEDON: I had a vivid imagination. I was a strange, unlovable child [laughter]. I think the thing that I was most afraid of was my big brother. If you see big brothers being eviscerated on the show you’ll know where what came from [laughter]. He’s scary! You meet him, you’ll think he’s scary.
Думаю, Ведон мог осмелиться сказать такое только до того, как начал раскручивать отношения Ангела и Спайка. Наверное, он никогда не скажет "Спайк - это я", но в этой цитатке он подошел довольно близко (сам того не ведая)
Вот это я слухов начиталась по самое нехочу )) Про гонорары, кстати, было на IMDB когда-то, во всяком случае, я для статьи брала оттуда.. Но вот эти сплетни ДМ/СМГ, ДБ/СМГ, ДБ/КК и т.д.... мдя-м ))
Насколько мне известно, это - не фанатские рисунки,
а вот происхождения их я - увы! - так и не знаю. Пиктограмма с Баффи была на первом баннере моего форума, потом я её потеряла, теперь - ура! - благодаря тебе, нашла. Хотела сделать такую наклейку на свои диски. Ангел тоже забавный, но не такой однозначно-узнаваемый и выразительный. Ужасно хочется найти первоисточник этих картинок. Судя по картинке Ксандера, они были созданы во втором сезоне. Может, кто знает, откуда они изначально были? Пытаюсь найти намёк на их происхождение на сайте www.xenafan.com/buffy/ , но пока безуспешно.
Относительно слухов, собранных Canadian - то ли она неровно дышит к Марстерсу, то ли к нему действительно не подкопаться.
Полностью поддерживаю Елену - я тоже уже эти рисунки видела, причем давно и, кажется, на старом Баффиверсе, который благополучно канул в Лету.. хлюп! Эх, поищем первоисточник - а вдруг найдем?
Продолжаем бороться с враждебным чудом техники, по недоразумению именуемому "еж".
Эти новости - заслуга SanAnn, но так как еж выпендривается, пробую запостить я.
Итак, SanAnn пишет:
Всем спасибо за новости. И кое-что от меня.
Очень интересные фотки. Алексис и Тони на одной сцене в пьесе Rope, 93-94 годы. Эти двое хорошо смотрятся вместе!
Alan Tudyk - один из актеров Serenity (бывшего Светлячка), говорит о Джоссе и о шоу. Взято отсюда.
Serenity Flies On Tenacity
"I think it's a testament to his (Joss) tenacity that he got Fox to sell the rights and that he got another studio...based on a show that was canceled."
Alan Tudyk, who reprises the role of space pilot Wash in the upcoming SF movie Serenity, told SCI FI Wire that it was creator Joss Whedon's perseverance that got the movie off the ground. Serenity is based on Whedon's canceled Fox SF television series Firefly. "I think it's a testament to his tenacity that he got Fox to sell the rights and that he got another studio—and no little studio, but Universal—to buy the rights and then to make this multi-million dollar movie based on a show that was canceled," Tudyk said in an interview. "Today is my day off, but yesterday I was shooting with everybody. And there's a very big deja vu going on right now."
An SF western set 500 years in the future, Firefly aired for just a few weeks on Fox in the fall of 2002. The show starred Nathan Fillion as Mal Reynolds, captain of the spaceship Serenity, and featured Tudyk as the ship's pilot. The show's avid fans transformed the ensuing Firefly DVD set into a best-seller, prompting Universal to green-light a Firefly feature film.
Serenity is currently in production, with all the series regulars back in the fold and Whedon on board as writer and director. "Every day we did Firefly we were thankful," Tudyk said "And then, when we got canceled, even though we knew we had all these fans—because they were taking out ads in Variety and things like that—it seemed like it was over. ... It had kind of been coming, and we'd been mistreated by Fox for a while, to the point where we were like, 'This is going to be over.' And then when it was, it wasn't too big of a surprise. It was disappointing, but not a big surprise. But then Joss, at the closing party, said, 'Look, I'm not giving up.' It was inspiring, but you kind of questioned, 'What do you mean you're not giving up? Didn't we just get canceled?'"
Tudyk can be seen next in the upcoming SF film I, Robot, in which he plays the title character. Serenity is tentatively set for release on April 22, 2005. Universal Pictures is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.
DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THE MOVIES? ORANGE SHOW SPEEDWAY Source: Orange Show Speedway Date: 06/22/2004
SAN BERNARDINO, California -- Hollywood is coming to the Orange Show Speedway on Saturday, June 26, 2004. A feature film romantic comedy, "The Perfect Lie," starring David Boreanaz will be filming prior to Saturday's races. There will be free admission prior to 4:30pm to all that want to see the filming. Gates open at 2:00pm.
Do you want to be in the movies? We need volunteers to be extras in the new romantic comedy starring David Boreanaz of the TV show Angel, which is being filmed at the Orange Show Speedway in San Bernardino this Saturday. Admission will be free to all who enter before 4:30pm. The filming starts at 5:00pm followed by a full night of action-packed stock car racing. There will also be free giveaways to on-site raffle winners. For more information call 310-863-3274.
Saturday's Orange Show Speedway action-packed stock car racing line up will feature Late Model Sportsman, Pro-Stock Late Model, Stock Pony, Pure Stock, Lady Pure Stock, Mini-StocKar, and Jr. Mini-StocKar.
About the Orange Show Speedway The Orange Show Speedway is action packed family entertainment featuring over 22 motorsports events annually in the state's only hi-banked, paved, ј mile racetrack. Late model stock cars, Pro-4 stock cars, sport compact, sport truck, street stocks, pure stock, and open wheel cars participate in the weekly racing series. Tickets will be sold at $10.00 per adult, $2.00 for juniors age 6-12 years, and children under 5 are FREE. For general information, call (909) 888-6788 ext. 512.
А вот TV Gal с Zap2IT проводит довольно интересное *http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,274|88896|1|,00.html Оффтоп: (ссылка действительна. убрать звездочку и скопировать в адресную строку. прим elendenika) голосование , не пропустите ))
Посмотрите, какую вещь к Normal Again откопали люди на DVD шестого сезона. Меня глючит от экзаменов или там действительно сценарист не указан?
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